Skip to comments.Legalize cannabis? Not so fast, say medics
Posted on 06/22/2011 11:34:42 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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How dare you use logic? /s ;0)
And the point of your Ad Hominem innuendo is... ?
Better than what? Alcohol or tobacco? I agree.
I never thought to myself we should tax anything, except China and Mexico.
If you want to count the crazy people who become helpless homeless bums, added to others from cancer and car wrecks then I would say many millions over the years.
Indians used it sparingly, ceremonially, and my own Indian grandmother grew her own for chewing, but she couldn't have produced cigarettes, and she is the only member in the family that used that coarse tobacco.
Growing good marijuana for smoking is relatively expensive and takes a good deal of time and knowledge. It’s not cheap or easy.
I see your attention span gave way, so soon too.
But if you now want to talk about alcohol and tobacco then you should be aware there are 400 chemicals in marijuana and a smoker gets more tar than cigarettes.
Since YOU are such an expert on marijuana, why don’t you tell me just exactly how much marijuana you’ve consumed in your research??? YOU STILL DIDN”T ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WITH ANY SEMBLANCE OF FACT OR ACCURACY (why do you suppose that is?)
PS- As a courtesy; I’m going to go to bed (right) now, and will have to resume contact at a later time/date. toodle do
It’s not my fault your scribblings are incomprehensible. I notice you quit on the other thread when I challenged you to address the actual subject of it. That’s beyond your mental ability.
People who make money from the sales of drugs are called drug dealers. You want them in charge of your country?
And I am profoundly sorry and apologize, ansel12, if my "throw-away" remark about "even" the Indians being able to grow tobacco caused offense (it was NOT my intent).
But the whole topic ("how difficult to manufacture," "taxable?") is a side-issue. The fact is that the "War on (Certain) Drugs" has promoted the growth of an, at best, morally ambiguous, para-military drug-law enforcement agency with vast police powers in this country (with extensive activities in OTHER countries!) whose powers deserve being clipped.
I am no expert that is why I gave you my estimate which is many millions for both alcohol and marijuana.
How many deaths do you require?
Good night, I hope you wake up wiser.
That is the greater point. No doubt about it.
Hmmm, let me see: How many millions do lobbyists for the drug industry (Bayer, etc.) and the alcohol industry, and the tobacco industry currently spend to influence our legislators?
I'd say that the REAL drug dealers are ALREADY in charge of our country!
I tend to not answer flames.
But I do so now, because in the other thread you admonished me for referencing your cop hater attitude from another thread with your pro marijuana agenda.
Now, you are bringing up another thread yourself.
You do remember that don’t you?
It’s only been about two hours ago.
Yes, and they just forced a healthcare law on us to make trillions, and not a single politician in this country will protect us. I for one, am not ready for more.
Wow. Where’ve you been?
That's very funny. On a half dozen thread on a half dozen topics you begin with an ad-hominem to me and then find yourself looking like a fool. I guess you don't learn too quickly.
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Oops wrong guy i think.
The pot that actor Martin Milner’s kids used came from a couple of bushes in my front yard in Southern California.
Growing quality plants is easy, the plant is very attractive, and the resulting pot has a long shelf life (years). Guys will grow all the free pot they want, and they will try to outdo each other, the nation will be saturated with free pot.
If one single tomato plant could give you all the tomatoes that you needed, and keep you high for the entire year, and tomatoes were heavily taxed like booze and cigarettes, then everyone would plant a tomato plant every year, and if they didn't, there would be plenty of surplus from friends and neighbors.
I’m still rereading your post. I guess I’m not deep enough to understand you.
From what I understand...a small amount of marijuana or even a plant at home...is a ticketed offense. Much like smoking a cigarette in a restaurant. (at least it is where I live). You may not have to worry about being raped.
Now....if you have a field growing..you may need to be worried.
Since I am a wino..I really don’t care. ;)
Correlation does not equal causation? Good red herring there. No evidence is ever good enough for potheads: from brain scan imaging to potheads defecating in parks.
Actually I didn't say a word about you breaking forum rules by doing that. I simply responded by reminding you how corrupt your thinking was on that thread. Cute how you sneak in another ad-hominem though. And another lie at that. That makes two lies in your latest post.
His point was not that it is “natural” and therefor “safe”, but that alcohol has similar health risks, yet is legal. Tobacco also has health risks, yet is legal. Glue and spray paint huffing by children is also a health risk, yet the sale of those products is legal.
Free people are expected to evaluate the potential consequences of their actions, and they generally do pretty well at it without a nanny-state eliminating their choices. If individuals make poor choices and eliminate themselves from the gene pool, well, the species will be better off in the long run.
Dude, lets legalize LSD lollipops for kids too. Pass me some more Doritos. Jimi Hendrix served his country, whats your point?
You are the master of red herrings. Substantive debate is beyond your abilities.
Yeah same old arguments so lets be good libertarians and censor debates. Actually, I find the science very interesting as do many people.
“It should therefore be left to the INDIVIDUAL to decide what is best for him!”
Only to a certain degree.
Those who smoke a lot of pot or smoke pot regularly are not to be trusted with heavy machinery, serious responsibility, or, most importantly, with dependents. I don’t care about any studies you cite or don’t cite, I know this for a fact.
Wouldn’t leave my kids with a pot smoker babysitter - would you?
It sounds like youre projecting. But how about picking on drug drivers? One word: Priorities.
The catch here is that there’s likely no ethical way to test whether pot “causes” schizophrenia, or is merely preferred by people who already have a tendency to become schizophrenic. That would take a lot of pot smoking. Animal models might be illuminating, but crazy monkeys are dangerous.
See? That's a straw man logical fallacy. No one has said anything about legalizing any drugs for children. If required to debate on the substance or stay in context you simply cannot do it. No self control I guess.
That’s pretty interesting. But is it information that should be shared?
I can handle heavy machinery, serious responsibility and take care of a dependent quite well. So do many other heavy pot smokers that I know. Your facts are bunkum.
I’d never let my kid be babysat by a pot smoker. Hope your kids turn out ok.
I suppose those sentences make sense to you but to normal people that's gibberish.
Good point and while libertarians are getting stoned or in their think tanks Ive had to deal with the consequences of soft on drug policies.
These people are drugs-first libertarians. They always defend drugs like a fired up preacher but never a mans right to question them. Theyre beyond accountability.
This is an intelligent question why?
Of course alcohol has caused more deaths because it IS legal....and in what world does your imagination swim in thinking that when marijuana is legalized that the statistics won't eventually catch up or surpass?
“We legalize drug use and have government subsidize the losers ...”
I’d agree it is either/or, but why not fight for eliminating the government subsidy of losers rather than against individual freedoms ? Let these people be stoned and starve to death so they delete their weak genes for the gene pool.
Why not, aren’t you guys pushing to legalize what they were doing?
Is a lack of information what we all need to make informed decisions? I notice that many here like to try and shout down opposing views like liberals on college campuses do. You don't want that do you?
So you do believe in laws when they suit you? And restrictions for your choice drugs? Talk about circular thinking. In any case, softening pot laws increase more drug use in general. Ive lived in Europe. Doesnt work.
It’s lousy quality pot if it’s not tended regularly. Most of what’s grown in the Sierras has a lot of money invested in irrigation, fertilizer and onsite growers to tend it and it’s still inferior to what most hydroponic growers produce.
Theres no ethical way to prove it? Rubbish. Ive seen the brain scans. Read the Oxford literature. In any case, when it doubt go without: If one isnt sure it can be tested then dont dare experiment on brains.
Here’s a clue for ya...the most widely abused drugs are perscription drugs...
And anyone who wants to smoke pot...already is...
William F Buckley & Charlie Rangel debate war on drugs circa ‘91
Buckley wipes the floor with Rangle....check it out...
“However, high-dose smokers develop pulmonary symptoms (episodes of acute bronchitis, wheezing, coughing, and increased phlegm), and pulmonary function may be altered, manifested as large airway changes of unknown significance.”
So...maybe you should post the rest of the story. BTW, this is from your link to Merck.
It’s not harmless.
I can’t help but believe that smoking pot isn’t akin to smoking cigarettes, but with a much better mellow.