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Morning Poll: Were Pima County SWAT Officers Justified in Shooting at Ex-Marine -- 71 Times
Phoenix NewsTimes ^ | July 16, 2011 | James King

Posted on 06/16/2011 10:47:39 AM PDT by NoNAIS

We want to know what you think: were SWAT officers justified in shooting Guerena?

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: guerena; jbt; joseguerena; pimacounty; swat; tucson
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1 posted on 06/16/2011 10:47:49 AM PDT by NoNAIS
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To: NoNAIS
Current results:

Yes 13.33%
No 86.67%

2 posted on 06/16/2011 10:52:55 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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To: NoNAIS

I voded NO with 86% (so far) of the other voters.

And there is no such thing as an EX-marine.

SEMPER Fi.


3 posted on 06/16/2011 10:56:48 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: NoNAIS

Why these SWAT officers are not going to go to jail - much less even be charged with a crime - is beyond me.

(And I use the term ‘officers’ loosely.)


4 posted on 06/16/2011 10:59:16 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: NoNAIS

Though I staunchly support the “double tap” SOP for bad guys. 71 is a little overboard ... and was this guy that bad that he deserved to be sentenced by the local LE to bleed to death without trial


5 posted on 06/16/2011 11:02:57 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: NoNAIS

There was no justification for this kill. There is also no justification in firing into a domicile where you KNOW there is a woman and child.


6 posted on 06/16/2011 11:02:57 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: NoNAIS

remind me again what this was about???

was it his estranged non-present wife was late on student loan payments???

maybe a different SWAT team story...the stories seem to all run together now days

(wonder if that’s a factor...”now days”)


7 posted on 06/16/2011 11:04:06 AM PDT by mreerm
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To: NoNAIS

This was nothing more than a display of cowboy tactics by a bunch of undisciplined idiots. If this had happened in Iraq, the media would be all over it, looking for a trooper to hang out to dry.


8 posted on 06/16/2011 11:07:01 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Avoid arguments with your wife about lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink.)
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To: KarlInOhio

NO 91.7% now


9 posted on 06/16/2011 11:12:33 AM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: NoNAIS

Over 91% of those responding say no and I concur. Not only were they not justified in shooting him they were not justified in breaking down his door. They had no business being at his house and when they knocked they should have waited until someone answered the door. 8 seconds is not a reasonable time to wait.


10 posted on 06/16/2011 11:14:01 AM PDT by calex59
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To: mreerm

The student loans was in California.

This is the Marine father in Arizona, who was left to die while his wife pleaded for help, for more than an hour while the emergency teams were held back the murders who wanted him to die.


11 posted on 06/16/2011 11:16:18 AM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: NoNAIS

This death is nothing short of murder.

The militarization of local and state law enforcement is not a good thing.

It is just another heavy handed way for the government to build its own power at the expense of individual freedom.

In this case it is a way to evade the letter and spirit of the Posse Comitatus act which was passed, in part, to prevent abuses of power exactly like this.


12 posted on 06/16/2011 11:19:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster - Sun Tzu)
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To: TruthConquers

In a just world ... these murderers would have been met by a hail of bullets from outraged neighbors ... it may have to come to that in the future


13 posted on 06/16/2011 11:20:28 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: TruthConquers

I have never figured out why raids like this are necessary. The guy had to leave the house sometime. Get him when he comes out.


14 posted on 06/16/2011 11:21:58 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Responsibility2nd

Because under their ninja costumes they each have a dishonor tarnished tin badge that deflects all legal responsibility for this and other cold blooded murders.


15 posted on 06/16/2011 11:25:21 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: NoNAIS

Thank you for voting!
Yes 7.11%

No 92.89%

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16 posted on 06/16/2011 11:26:30 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: NoNAIS

I thought they only had 22 hits.


17 posted on 06/16/2011 11:44:34 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Westbrook

And there is no such thing as an EX-marine.

Congressman Murtha was an EX-marine.


18 posted on 06/16/2011 11:46:46 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: NoNAIS

Let me be sure I understand the question.

“Were a dozen or so heavily armed government agents justified in kicking down the door of a family home where no one inside had any criminal record and shooting 71 times at the homeowner and then withholding medical treatment for over an hour until the homeowner was dead?”

Is that the question?


19 posted on 06/16/2011 11:46:55 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Venturer; Responsibility2nd
I have never figured out why raids like this are necessary. The guy had to leave the house sometime. Get him when he comes out.

Dear Responsibility2nd... Seeing as how you've been a vocal Drug War Cheerleader for years, maybe you could explain it to the poster.

20 posted on 06/16/2011 11:47:01 AM PDT by Ken H
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