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Boeing's Albaugh worries about 'intellectual disarmament' of U.S.
Seattle Times ^ | June 12, 2011 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 06/13/2011 2:08:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

...[Jim Albaugh] ticked off a list of broad national problems that transcend Boeing:

• Brain drain of talented immigrants:...."Now, the best and brightest come to the United States, get trained, and leave, and go back and compete against us."

• Defense cuts: "There is no industrial base policy in the Department of Defense other than market forces," he said. "Right now, the Boeing Company is the only company in the United States that has a design team working on a new airplane. There are no [all-new] airplanes being developed for the Department of Defense probably for the first time in 100 years."

• Competition from China: "The law of large numbers would dictate that they are going to have more smart people than we are going to have. And their government has identified aerospace as an industry that they've targeted,".....

When Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited China in January, the Chinese military made a very public test flight of its previously secret J-20 Stealth fighter.

"A lot of people saw that as a military threat," Albaugh said. "I didn't. I saw it more as an economic threat. They will sell that airplane around the world and will take away a lot of the market that's been enjoyed by U.S. defense contractors."

• NASA cuts and private space ventures: "They are trying to commercialize space. ... Getting the reliability requires a lot of redundancy, which requires a lot of cost," Albaugh said. "I think it's going to be a money pit for a lot of them."

He lamented the U.S. government's withdrawal from space exploration as the space-shuttle program winds down: "My prediction is that the Chinese will walk on the moon before we launch an American into orbit again in a U.S. spacecraft."

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When Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited China in January, the Chinese military made a very public test flight of its previously secret J-20 Stealth fighter.

"A lot of people saw that as a military threat," Albaugh said. "I didn't. I saw it more as an economic threat....

It is both.

My prediction is that the Chinese will walk on the moon before we launch an American into orbit again in a U.S. spacecraft."

This is the change guys.

1 posted on 06/13/2011 2:08:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Intellectual disarmament is a direct result of moral disarmament. ;-/


2 posted on 06/13/2011 2:39:51 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Chinese are discovering Capitalism while our leaders are taking us into the dark ages of Socialism through the exploitation of our education system and robbery of our citizens in order to redistribute the wealth into a black hole. Unions do not dictate China’s economic policies as they do her. They also are not going bankrupt.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 2:40:06 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

From the ‘intellectuals’ at Harvard to Section 8 housing, philosophically there isn’t much difference. They’ll never understand American Exceptionalism. Oh how I hate this pres-ent and his kind.


4 posted on 06/13/2011 2:50:02 AM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: jazzlite
The Chinese are discovering Capitalism while our leaders are taking us into the dark ages of Socialism

Not quite. A more accurate statement is that both powers are enjoying the enrichment (to some) provided by crony capitalism backed by oligarchy. They take from us and give it to themselves.

Similar to the old Soviet-style communism, but much wider effects because more money is generated for them to redistribute.

5 posted on 06/13/2011 2:53:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Quite sobering but not surprising, since the World Community Organizer-In-Chief has all but designated NASA as a Muslim outreach center.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 2:55:16 AM PDT by drierice
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...[Jim Albaugh] ticked off a list of broad national problems that transcend Boeing: • Brain drain of talented immigrants:...."Now, the best and brightest come to the United States, get trained, and leave, and go back and compete against us."

This is simply the biggest pile of horse manure that has ever been put in front of the American Public. I'm getting sick and tired of seeing many in the technology sector complaining about brain drain. The only brains that are draining are their own.

We don't need these huge pools of talented immigrants. These companies want cheap labor, plain and simple. They are laying off talented American and hiring cheap pools of immigrants. This is despicable. It's the biggest myth around that we don't have enough American to fill these jobs. Total Garbage. And a huge amount of national security secrets go out the door with these huge pool of immigrant engineers and scientists. The Chinese are the absolute worst at this. You cannot go for a month without reading about a case of Chinese espionage committed by one of these immigrants Albaugh loves so much. This Albaugh fellow is one of a new class of person I now call post-American.
7 posted on 06/13/2011 2:58:56 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Cincinatus
Similar to the old Soviet-style communism, but much wider effects because more money is generated for them to redistribute.

I would disagree here. To me the Chinese Government has morphed into fascism, they just kept the Commie logo for obvious reason. The lefty's that run out corps now would have never sold us out to fascists, but to good commies of course. The Chinese are not stupid.

8 posted on 06/13/2011 3:03:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: truthguy

We need to restrict H1-b’s now! We are undercutting out future, can’t anyone see that but you and I? I am anti-union as the next FReeper but clearly engineers are the only group of professionals that actually need protection. It is a matter of national security.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 3:17:13 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jazzlite
. . . in order to redistribute the wealth into a black hole.

That's racist.

I prefer the more appropriate, "unilluminated abyss".

Oh yeah . . . < /sarc>

10 posted on 06/13/2011 3:18:48 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Cincinatus' Wife.
"Now, the best and brightest come to the United States, get trained, and leave, and go back and compete against us."

11 posted on 06/13/2011 3:21:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: central_va
We need to restrict H1-b’s now! We are undercutting out future, can’t anyone see that but you and I? I am anti-union as the next FReeper but clearly engineers are the only group of professionals that actually need protection. It is a matter of national security.

Actually there are a growing number of people who are aware of this problem. I've worked in the technology sector for top companies and I've worked with many of these people and they are so overrated that it's pathetic. It's also an extreme irritation to have to listen to people all day long who butcher the English Language. Very frustrating.

Look we have the largest number of Colleges in the world. We have the Largest Number of Engineering Schools in the world. All we have to do is use the Americans who are already here. It's madness that we bring in all these H1-B Visas. Of course there are a very few exceptions. If we find a Werner Von Braun or someone like him we can bring them in, but on average, these H1-B guys are mediocre at best. And I've known dozens of them and they are far inferior to the Americans I went to school with at an American University.
12 posted on 06/13/2011 3:26:34 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is no one whose a** we can’t kick if we quit trying to commit national suicide. This, however, won’t always be true it we get too far away from what our strengths are.

People need to remember why we have locks on our doors. Unfortunately we don’t live in an altruistic world, and others will take what we have if we let them. I trust us, as a nation, to be fair and charitable to the world. I don’t trust the world to be that way toward us. If we fall, they won’t pick us up.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 3:34:25 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

like no one saw this coming, except those in the field...

and the members of congress.

why do i say congress? i know for a fact that this exact scenario was laid out in 1998 when the H1-b bill was passed. it was laid out to members of 5 different congressional offices by at least one person.

me

they knew this was coming.
they knew the obvious impact.
they didn’t care and continue to work against the best interests of Americans.

why is it we’re not able to hold them liable for damages done? since when did they become above the law?


14 posted on 06/13/2011 3:59:14 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

You have that right.

And for posters lamenting the education of foreigners (and some staying here), well, look at our institutions of higher learning who love to rake in that foreign education money. Time was these foreigners stayed because the USA had a good program but now they go home because the President and his Science and Technology Adviser, John Holdren (look this guy up), want to level the playing field (and that can only suit the socialists in academic circles that take monthly junkets to foreign countries for endless cycles of meetings).

The problem is WE ARE NOT staying competitive! We are not.


15 posted on 06/13/2011 4:05:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: truthguy

I work for a very large outsourcing company. We just staffed a prominent US company with 100 programmers, tech support in addition to moving the help desk and testing center off shore.

The company doesn’t have to pick up the benefits for 100 + people, it doesn’t have to pay salaries to 100 + people. it minimized it’s risk profile and it’s IT department can now run 24x7 to support development efforts.

It’s not that they can’t find employees. It’s the savings of over $750,000 a year in costs that made it an attractive deal. And they have a responsibility the stockholder and to their customers.

It’s not that good people are hard to find. It’s that good people, facilities to staff them and insure them are expensive.

The bad side of obamacare might save jobs and that is by companies dropping insurance, it becomes cheaper to hire people. Employees would have to find their own health care. I am not endorsing it, just giving an observation. Question is, how do you make that insurance cheap enough for individuals to buy? I pay 20% of what I would pay if I had to buy it own my own. And that is with less benefits at higher deductibles.


16 posted on 06/13/2011 4:19:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He lamented the U.S. government's withdrawal from space exploration as the space-shuttle program winds down

That's probably the only sensible thing this gov't. has done. He's upset that his company won't as easily get the plum space contracts. He'll have to compete with smaller, less-expensive firms.

17 posted on 06/13/2011 4:47:02 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Engineering pay for the most part is terrible. Engineering, especially aerospace engineering, is one of the most difficult, technically challenging,time consuming professions there are.
But the pay is substantially less than other professional occupations like doctor or lawyer.
Up the pay and you'll have no problem attracting engineers.
18 posted on 06/13/2011 4:52:44 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: BfloGuy

Bull.

Commercial start-ups are people like Elon Musk who is a heavy campaign contributor and fundraiser for Obama and democrats. It’s crony-capitalism and the U.S. is going to left grounded while foreign countries move out and control that arena.

But then again that’s just what the Science and Technology Adviser for Obama wants.

Those ready to attack legacy companies that have worked for NASA are just the new guys on the block who want their turn at the trough.


19 posted on 06/13/2011 5:08:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: avg_freeper

Interesting point.

I guess American doctors will be the next to go.

That leaves a glut of lawyers.


20 posted on 06/13/2011 5:10:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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