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No opt-out for opponents of gays in military: Gates
reuters ^ | June 5, 2011 | David Alexander

Posted on 06/05/2011 10:07:38 AM PDT by PROCON

(Reuters) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates bluntly told Marines on Sunday that they won't be able to opt out of their enlistment just because they disagree with a government decision to end a ban on gays serving openly in the military.

Gates, who is on a tour of Afghanistan to bid farewell to the troops before stepping down at the end of the month, was quizzed by a Marine sergeant about the controversial policy during a question and answer session at a base in southwestern Helmand Province.

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To: Bean Counter

Now let’s hear from the recuiters. Is this years crop of high school grads avoiding them? What about the 2007 grads who are finishing thei 1st hitch. Hmm.


41 posted on 06/05/2011 1:55:14 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Munz

I can’t remember anymore how the draft worked. Was there an option, once drafted, for what branch they’d serve in? Or, were draftees put in different branches on some rotating basis? All the Marines I knew had signed up voluntarily.

Our all-volunteer military is very impressive vs. having a bunch of draftees who don’t want to be there. But I do think we need something, some way for all our citizens to have some personal investment through service of one form or another to the country. As it is, there’s a limited number of men/women and their families who really have a stake and who bear the burden.


42 posted on 06/05/2011 2:10:51 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: PROCON

All of this “political correctness crap” can’t last forever, because it will succeed in creating a high finite number of new problems! Down with all political correctness, asap and please!


43 posted on 06/05/2011 3:09:13 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: EDINVA

Our recruited military would revert rapidly to conscription if we had a war like Korea, Vietnam or anything else which faced a force comparable to our own. As long as our enemy is weak, we can afford to lower standards.


44 posted on 06/05/2011 3:12:47 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Waco

My son is in Navy JROTC and says he’d never join under these conditions with this idiot CIC in the White House!


45 posted on 06/05/2011 3:20:43 PM PDT by Yorktownpatriot
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To: PROCON

Thunderstorm heading, turning computer off and will ping later.


46 posted on 06/05/2011 3:25:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: EDINVA
Good luck with those re-ups, Secy Gates, Prez Obama and all you Dems in Congress who thought this was such a great idea.

Did it occur to you that since Obozo's agenda is the destruction of the United States, decimating the Military is high up on his "bucket list"?

Regards,
GtG

47 posted on 06/05/2011 4:08:31 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: PROCON
And they will leave after their enlistments are up, en masse!

That waits to be seen.

Right now, retention rates are so high that Gates has advocated pay cuts and the Navy, for one, is kicking out sailors left and right.

48 posted on 06/05/2011 4:17:04 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Waco
Now let’s hear from the recuiters. Is this years crop of high school grads avoiding them? What about the 2007 grads who are finishing thei 1st hitch. Hmm.

Enlistment and reenlistment goals are being met in all branches of the military.

49 posted on 06/05/2011 4:19:36 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Gena Bukin

The Navy and Air force will always have high retention rates because a majority are not involved in land combat, living in the trenches, and getting mortared and rocketed on a daily basis. Marines and Army are going to be greatly impacted by this policy, and I expect to see more of the infantry types leave at a higher rate than normal. The going is good in the navy and air force these days, I wouldn’t leave either.


50 posted on 06/05/2011 4:21:08 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: Gena Bukin

How about the sodomy training, is that meeting its goals too?


51 posted on 06/05/2011 4:21:14 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gena Bukin

Army and Marines in particular have always had trouble with their retention rates; especially when the going gets tough (iraq pre-surge,) and I expect a drop in land combat forces after this policy is enacted and after the summer surge by taliban forces. Our land forces are suffering in morale and I continue to see it drop especially with the ridiculous ROE, and our lack of initiative to take the fight to the enemy in Pakistan.


52 posted on 06/05/2011 4:23:08 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: Gena Bukin
and the Navy, for one, is kicking out sailors left and right.

They're just making room for all those Village People fans who can't wait to live out the lyrics of their favorite camp tune.

53 posted on 06/05/2011 4:23:46 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: liberalh8ter

The Navy is kicking people out because they don’t have a problem with retention - no one wants to get out. Hell I would’ve stayed for 20 years if I wasn’t getting deployed to garbage heaps and shot at on a daily basis.


54 posted on 06/05/2011 4:26:45 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: Stayfrosty

I know, I was making a joke about the repeal of DADT......Apparently, it bombed.


55 posted on 06/05/2011 4:31:06 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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56 posted on 06/05/2011 4:32:44 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: Stayfrosty
The Navy and Air force will always have high retention rates because a majority are not involved in land combat, living in the trenches, and getting mortared and rocketed on a daily basis.

No argument here. Yet look at the numbers. All four branches are currently meeting manning quotas, Army and Marines included, and they're doing so without waivers. Try getting into the military today with a DUI or drug conviction on your record. No thanks. Tats below short-sleeves? There's the door!

Now, obviously the lousy economy is playing a huge part in this. Will the DADT repeal by itself bring the numbers down? I honestly don't know. My money says that retention and recruitment goals will continue to be met (perhaps begrudgingly) until the civilian economy improves. There's just not much out there right now.

57 posted on 06/05/2011 4:47:37 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Gena Bukin

Not so sure I want to serve with people who settle on the service as a last resort. Sort of like well I never wanted to go into the military, but I can’t find any other work. That’s not the type of people I want to serve with IMHO.


58 posted on 06/05/2011 4:51:05 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: phrogphlyer

Be easier for the fags to leave. After all, their sh!t has already been packed......................................
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59 posted on 06/05/2011 5:17:24 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: kenmcg
The “Old Line” non coms are still in charge and they can make life miserable for the DADT’ers especially when it comes to assignments.

Rest assured that the leeway to reward problem behavior will quickly leave once the new policies are in force. There will be a protected class of recruit, to the detriment of all services.

60 posted on 06/05/2011 5:18:06 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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