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No opt-out for opponents of gays in military: Gates
reuters ^ | June 5, 2011 | David Alexander

Posted on 06/05/2011 10:07:38 AM PDT by PROCON

(Reuters) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates bluntly told Marines on Sunday that they won't be able to opt out of their enlistment just because they disagree with a government decision to end a ban on gays serving openly in the military.

Gates, who is on a tour of Afghanistan to bid farewell to the troops before stepping down at the end of the month, was quizzed by a Marine sergeant about the controversial policy during a question and answer session at a base in southwestern Helmand Province.

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This pi$$es me off; like the Marine sargeant said, he joined the Corps because of the high standards, and now this perverted social engineering is being forced on them!
1 posted on 06/05/2011 10:07:38 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Ping!


2 posted on 06/05/2011 10:08:20 AM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON
thats the thing with these "special rights" people....if its' inconvenient to them to not be in the military, they'll claim that its an inhospitable atmosphere....like in a draft situation, like Viet Nam....OTOH....no one else can claim these rights....

they want marriage,but they won't do it if it means paying more taxes and facing actual responsiblity....

3 posted on 06/05/2011 10:12:02 AM PDT by cherry
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To: PROCON

Imagine what our military will look like in 20 years. Just another way to destroy America.


4 posted on 06/05/2011 10:14:17 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

5 posted on 06/05/2011 10:27:28 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Your what hurts??)
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To: PROCON

If I had joined up before the Government forced the perverts on the military I would sue the Government for forcing me to work with perverts.
Time that normal people take a stand and fight back.


6 posted on 06/05/2011 10:28:07 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: PROCON
Just last year, ADM Mullen said anybody that doesn't agree with the new policy should leave:

“In the end, if there is either policy direction that someone in uniform disagrees with -- and I've said this before -- the answer -- and you feel so strongly about it -- you know, the answer is not advocacy; it is in fact to vote with your feet."

7 posted on 06/05/2011 10:32:38 AM PDT by phrogphlyer
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To: PROCON

Gates is a lying scumbag. I predict the butt bandits will have a field day. No one will be able to do or say anything about it, because the military will be overly protective of the butt bandits to prove how this new way will work. They will also promote butt bandits over others just because of their butt banditry just as the army promoted females ahead of more qualified males in the mid 70s.


8 posted on 06/05/2011 10:36:08 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: phrogphlyer
the answer is not advocacy; it is in fact to vote with your feet."

And they will leave after their enlistments are up, en masse!

9 posted on 06/05/2011 10:37:39 AM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
just as the army promoted females ahead of more qualified males in the mid 70s.

A buddy of mine was a Drill Sargeant at Fort Sill during that time.

The integration of male and female basic training turned out to be a nightmare because of the different PT standards, sexual shenanigans, etc.

10 posted on 06/05/2011 10:41:43 AM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: cherry

I think these issues will be handled kinda quietly amongst the Marines. Their may be some sniper like activity and sappers in the gate kicking the hell out of a select person or two. An advanced “blanket party” if you will.


11 posted on 06/05/2011 10:46:49 AM PDT by mcshot ("...of the people, by the people, for the people..." but we aren't "his people".)
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To: PROCON

Races can be integrated. Sexes can not.


12 posted on 06/05/2011 10:47:02 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“army promoted females ahead of more qualified males in the mid 70s.”

Not just the army, and it hasn’t ended. It will also never end for the sodomites.


13 posted on 06/05/2011 10:48:11 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: PROCON

They need to allow people to opt out with full benefits given that the Government has significantly changed the deal on them.


14 posted on 06/05/2011 10:48:11 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“army promoted females ahead of more qualified males in the mid 70s.”

Not just the army, and it hasn’t ended. It will also never end for the sodomites.


15 posted on 06/05/2011 10:49:25 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: PROCON

We have clueless morons running things now.


16 posted on 06/05/2011 11:00:44 AM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: PROCON

The nightmare is getting worse. They’ve announced plans to put women in subs (sir, I’m pregnant. Surface this sub now or I’ll sue you for discrimination!).

Next up is putting women in combat. See Pelosi commission.

The feminists are jealous of the all-male Seals.


18 posted on 06/05/2011 11:04:38 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: PROCON

Many of these people joined the military when certain standards were in effect. A unilateral change in those standards represents a breach of the contract under which those persons joined the military.


19 posted on 06/05/2011 11:11:40 AM PDT by reg45
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To: heye2monn

I have no problem with deviants and feminists dying in combat; apparently it’s their country now anyway.

I’m really puzzled that any “normal” people even see it as something worth dying for anymore - their country is gone.


20 posted on 06/05/2011 11:12:32 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2
I’m really puzzled that any “normal” people even see it as something worth dying for anymore

Really bad choice of words, brave men are dying almost daily for this great Country!

Expect more flaming!

21 posted on 06/05/2011 11:18:03 AM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

There is an opt out: You can get out when your enlistment is up. I predict a lot of people will do that, not re-enlist. Meantime, for those unfortunate people fighting a war, who are forced to jump into a foxhole with a couple of perverts... Ever heard of fragging? It’d take about two seconds to decide.


22 posted on 06/05/2011 11:19:11 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: PROCON

The Marine is upholding his contract with the military. However, the military is not reciprocating it to the Marine. Instead he is being told too bad.


23 posted on 06/05/2011 11:20:54 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: PROCON
Gates opened the CIA to gays twenty years ago. Perhaps we were already checkmated when that happened, and we didn't notice.
24 posted on 06/05/2011 11:23:45 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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To: PROCON

We are going to force the queers down your throat!

Changing the rules in the middle of the game, how nice.

As a former member of the few and the proud, my loyalties are to the old corps, not this new fag outrage!

FUBO!


25 posted on 06/05/2011 11:27:59 AM PDT by devistate one four (Popping smoke! 2012 the year of the taxpayer! TET68)
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To: ilovesarah2012

It won’t be worth a tinkers dam!


26 posted on 06/05/2011 11:29:14 AM PDT by devistate one four (Popping smoke! 2012 the year of the taxpayer! TET68)
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To: devistate one four

And you can bet the J.A.G offices will become full of fags.


27 posted on 06/05/2011 11:30:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SECURE AMERICA

The government broke the dam contract!

Why not let the hetro’s exit?


28 posted on 06/05/2011 11:30:46 AM PDT by devistate one four (Popping smoke! 2012 the year of the taxpayer! TET68)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

The government broke the dam contract!

Why not let the hetro’s exit?


29 posted on 06/05/2011 11:34:27 AM PDT by devistate one four (Popping smoke! 2012 the year of the taxpayer! TET68)
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To: PROCON

I don’t assume the death of our servicemen overseas is automatically related to this country at all; the relationships become less clear with every passing day.

If people have an issue with that, so be it.


30 posted on 06/05/2011 11:38:05 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Dumb_Ox
The CIA was (and still is) concerned about risk of blackmail. Ironically, openly gay agency employees do not pose the security risk that closeted gays do (or, for that matter, anyone who is living a “secret life” in any dimension: adultery, illegal drug use, DUIs, etc.).
31 posted on 06/05/2011 11:48:55 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: PROCON

This LGBT agenda is being pushed in our military, schools, radio, t.v., music, music videos, magazines, and virutally everywhere one turns.

I am sad for the future of Truth, our counrty, our children and our world.


32 posted on 06/05/2011 11:54:32 AM PDT by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: PROCON

This Marine should have known better than to ask. Should servicemembers have the privilege to annul their contracts simply because of a legal change with which they disagree? Or because of a perceived grievance that the DoD “changed the deal” on them? When you sign the contract, you agree to subject yourself to policies you might not like (even ones not yet in effect); the best you can do is to serve out your contract honorably and vote different candidates into office.


33 posted on 06/05/2011 12:05:47 PM PDT by West of the Sun
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To: PROCON

If I ever meet Gates in person I will punch him in the mouth for being a sellout. That is a promise.


34 posted on 06/05/2011 12:15:33 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: kearnyirish2

Yes, and what serious person is going to want to join the Marines?

The Marines were the last bastion of war fighters. A few good men (real men) could concentrate on combat and not be distracted by gooey-eyed gays and helpless females.

Thank you, Secretary Gates.


35 posted on 06/05/2011 12:42:50 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: phrogphlyer

Just last year, ADM Mullen said anybody that doesn't agree with the new policy should leave: “In the end, if there is either policy direction that someone in uniform disagrees with -- and I've said this before -- the answer -- and you feel so strongly about it -- you know, the answer is not advocacy; it is in fact to vote with your feet."

And why did he not give this advice to the sodomites instead of championing their advocacy?

36 posted on 06/05/2011 12:47:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Yuleeyahoo (Proud FREDHEAD-FRED, Thank you for exposing the liberals and moving the process to the right.)
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To: PROCON

The “Old Line” non coms are still in charge and they can make life miserable for the DADT’ers especially when it comes to assignments.


37 posted on 06/05/2011 1:20:53 PM PDT by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: PROCON

Good luck with those re-ups, Secy Gates, Prez Obama and all you Dems in Congress who thought this was such a great idea.


38 posted on 06/05/2011 1:35:18 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: devistate one four

>We are going to force the queers down your throat!<

Okay .... I need to take a shower after that one!

Somehow I don’t see a battle cry changing and being successful ....

“Rump Rangers Lead the Way”

NOT!


39 posted on 06/05/2011 1:42:16 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: EDINVA

>Good luck with those re-ups, Secy Gates, Prez Obama and all you Dems in Congress who thought this was such a great idea.<

It will allow Rangels idea of a draft to gain momentum - he has been pushing it for years.


40 posted on 06/05/2011 1:44:28 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Bean Counter

Now let’s hear from the recuiters. Is this years crop of high school grads avoiding them? What about the 2007 grads who are finishing thei 1st hitch. Hmm.


41 posted on 06/05/2011 1:55:14 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Munz

I can’t remember anymore how the draft worked. Was there an option, once drafted, for what branch they’d serve in? Or, were draftees put in different branches on some rotating basis? All the Marines I knew had signed up voluntarily.

Our all-volunteer military is very impressive vs. having a bunch of draftees who don’t want to be there. But I do think we need something, some way for all our citizens to have some personal investment through service of one form or another to the country. As it is, there’s a limited number of men/women and their families who really have a stake and who bear the burden.


42 posted on 06/05/2011 2:10:51 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: PROCON

All of this “political correctness crap” can’t last forever, because it will succeed in creating a high finite number of new problems! Down with all political correctness, asap and please!


43 posted on 06/05/2011 3:09:13 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: EDINVA

Our recruited military would revert rapidly to conscription if we had a war like Korea, Vietnam or anything else which faced a force comparable to our own. As long as our enemy is weak, we can afford to lower standards.


44 posted on 06/05/2011 3:12:47 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Waco

My son is in Navy JROTC and says he’d never join under these conditions with this idiot CIC in the White House!


45 posted on 06/05/2011 3:20:43 PM PDT by Yorktownpatriot
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To: PROCON

Thunderstorm heading, turning computer off and will ping later.


46 posted on 06/05/2011 3:25:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: EDINVA
Good luck with those re-ups, Secy Gates, Prez Obama and all you Dems in Congress who thought this was such a great idea.

Did it occur to you that since Obozo's agenda is the destruction of the United States, decimating the Military is high up on his "bucket list"?

Regards,
GtG

47 posted on 06/05/2011 4:08:31 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: PROCON
And they will leave after their enlistments are up, en masse!

That waits to be seen.

Right now, retention rates are so high that Gates has advocated pay cuts and the Navy, for one, is kicking out sailors left and right.

48 posted on 06/05/2011 4:17:04 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Waco
Now let’s hear from the recuiters. Is this years crop of high school grads avoiding them? What about the 2007 grads who are finishing thei 1st hitch. Hmm.

Enlistment and reenlistment goals are being met in all branches of the military.

49 posted on 06/05/2011 4:19:36 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Gena Bukin

The Navy and Air force will always have high retention rates because a majority are not involved in land combat, living in the trenches, and getting mortared and rocketed on a daily basis. Marines and Army are going to be greatly impacted by this policy, and I expect to see more of the infantry types leave at a higher rate than normal. The going is good in the navy and air force these days, I wouldn’t leave either.


50 posted on 06/05/2011 4:21:08 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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