Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Oregon: Study Finds Light Rail System Rarely Used
The Truth About Cars ^ | May 17, 2011 | The Newspaper.com

Posted on 05/17/2011 11:42:32 AM PDT by Qbert

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 last
To: razorback-bert; Yo-Yo

>>Wille has gone to the great roundhouse in cyberspace.<<

Nothing as grandiose as the great roundhouse in cyberspace. He’s over at Liberty Post. org pushing his Agenda 21 programs with B-chan.


61 posted on 05/17/2011 2:42:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing to America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: pnh102

Ironically, the Twin Cities wasted about this much on their light rail, instead repairing bridges.


62 posted on 05/17/2011 4:12:05 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I think we can agree that Sacramento’s light rail was botched.

Way back when Sacramento had a choice between joining BART and connecting to the Bay Area or having their own Toonerville Trolley the shortsighted pols - led by Anne Rudin and Phil Isenberg - chose light rail saying that BART would take jobs out of Sacramento. So, instead, there’s some 20,000 people per day commuting from Sacramento down the I-80 to the Bay Area and the ones who take the Amtrak (CalTrans, really) Capitol train have made it the second money-maker for Amtrak after the Boston-DC corridor.


63 posted on 05/17/2011 5:03:55 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Haiku Guy

Oh, Lord, that is CUTE!!! (-:


64 posted on 05/17/2011 5:07:23 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

No surprise here. The whole thing is billions of dollars for a private train set!


65 posted on 05/17/2011 8:36:39 PM PDT by tallyhoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Baynative

No surprise here. The whole thing is billions of dollars for a private train set!


66 posted on 05/17/2011 8:36:47 PM PDT by tallyhoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: hellbender
Wonderful points.

Yeah, if rail was so nonviable, what about Vanderbilt, etc., etc., who made zillions running railroads?

Your point about walking to the train station is especially good.

67 posted on 05/18/2011 7:49:52 AM PDT by caddie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Qbert
I view this report with suspicion.

I'm a skeptic of light rail in general, so Whenever I'm in Portland (or any other city that has a light rail system) I make a point of checking out those trains to see if they're being used.

Unlike, say, Denver or LA, in Portland I have found that the trains are generally carrying a lot of passengers, and there are lots of folks waiting at the stations.

Not saying that these "researchers" are lying ... but I suspect they're massaging their results to fit their pre-conceived notions.

68 posted on 05/18/2011 7:55:04 AM PDT by r9etb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Qbert

Willie Green still sucks.


69 posted on 05/18/2011 7:56:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RinaseaofDs

Yes.

Public transportation is not about effective timely transportation.

It’s about creating a larger more powerful nanny state.


70 posted on 05/18/2011 11:02:56 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Until Reagan rises from the dead: Thank God McCain didnt win. Obama's better than some RINO.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Qbert

Doesn’t help that it only runs 4 times in the Morning and 4 Times at night


71 posted on 05/18/2011 12:57:05 PM PDT by dila813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: caddie
Some here think on a car means "freedom." In a way it does, but in a way our society has become enslaved by the car. One or two people in a two-ton hunk of steel sailing down the Interstate is astoundingly inefficient. Cars require enormous expanses of pavement, they require space for parking (meaning huge garages in cities). Most of that stuff is publicly financed. Is it really desirable to drive 30 mi. round trip to a big box store for hardware? Is that "freedom"? Those stores are only possible because of enormous public investment in highways. Why not patronize a hardware store in your home town, and save all that time spent paralyzed in a car seat, probably guzzling a fattening soft drink from the myriad of cupholders which infest modern cars. In a train, quite unlike either a car or a plane, you can actually get up and walk around. A train station can actually be located in the heart of a city--not so an airport.

Railroads did not die a natural death because they were inefficient. The govt. sabotaged them with taxes, regulations, and union favoritism, then the govt. "had to" take them over "to save them." Exactly what the govt. is now doing with the health care industry. First they cripple the private system, then that becomes the pretext for socialism.

72 posted on 05/18/2011 4:19:08 PM PDT by hellbender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: hellbender

The truth is that the government wanted to benefit the airplane companies, for military considerations, by boosting air travel over train travel, out of fear that airline makers couldn’t stay viable in peacetime.


73 posted on 05/18/2011 4:21:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: hellbender

I disagree very much.
Cars and motorcycles represent individual freedom and prosperity.
Public transportation represents the socialist quest to control the populace.


74 posted on 05/18/2011 4:23:26 PM PDT by nascarnation
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: MeganC

Maybe because 99% of Americans actually use highways.


75 posted on 05/18/2011 4:25:15 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: hellbender

When is the last time you carried five pieces of plywood with you on the train returning home from the hardware store?


76 posted on 05/18/2011 4:26:41 PM PDT by NorseWood
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: NorseWood

I’m not saying I would carry plywood on the train. I’m saying the train is perfectly capable of carrying plywood to your local hardware store or lumberyard (mine is only about 2 mi. away, vs. 15 mi. to the nearest big box), where you can pick it up. In fact, that’s how things were done until very recently.


77 posted on 05/18/2011 4:50:18 PM PDT by hellbender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: nascarnation
Did you actually read my post? I'm not defending publicly-financed trains to nowhere. I'm bewailing the fact that govt. killed our fabulous network of private railroads. Trains are the most efficient way of moving cargo on land. The only cheaper way of moving things is by boat. If someone is going the same place as thousands of other people, it makes no sense to ride a car with one or two passengers.

And don't kid yourself that our highway system and all the other infrastructure dedicated to cars wasn't heavily subsidized by the govt.

78 posted on 05/18/2011 4:55:31 PM PDT by hellbender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Republic of Texas

>>>...99% of Americans actually use highways.<<<

Perhaps. But as the population increases and we’re not building a corresponding amount of highways or airports then how are these people supposed to get around?

Some years back when Los Angeles proposed their Metro Rail it got the same kind of opposition as I see here but when I have to go to Los Angeles now I fly into Burbank, walk over to the Metro Rail and 20 minutes later I’m at Union Station. The same trip with a rental car is nearly an hour during the day. The trains in LA any more are packed. And those are people who are not on the road so that frees up highway capacity for people like you.


79 posted on 05/18/2011 5:02:28 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Interesting. The original motive for the Interstate Highway System was originally supposed to be related to national defense also. Now it is heavily used by everyday commuters and used by giant trucks which compete with the railroads while beating the pavement to bits and blowing small cars halfway off the road.

Ironic that Eisenhower, who pushed the Interstates, later bashed the military-industrial complex.

80 posted on 05/18/2011 6:07:26 PM PDT by hellbender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson