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Huckabee worries Republicans will 'Balkanize themselves' (Huckabee smears Reagan)
The Hill, Washington DC ^ | 2011-05-06 | Shane D'Aprile

Posted on 05/07/2011 11:21:40 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: RitaOK

>>But you have to govern in a way that is different than you can campaign.”<<

And THT sentence alone shows why RINOs infest the GOP. Have you ever heard a RAT utter such nonsense? We elected the GOP Congressmen to change Versailles on the Potomac. So far, they have failed miserably and show no more signs of getting better.

The $100 BILLION spending cut we were promised became a paltry $535 MILLION. Strike One! Ryan proposes a budget that will INCREASE our staggering debt by $5 TRILLION over 10 years. Strike Two! Now,they are going to raise the debt ceiling with nothing in return. Strike Three! You’re OUT!


61 posted on 05/08/2011 3:12:35 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: JLS
Bush a better president than Reegan? Surely, you jest.

Did Reagan, for all his faults, ever promise a "new America" where spanish could be heard on evry street?

Reagan did everything as a president to unify Americans. Bush pushed amnesty and, if it weren't for 9-11, we'd probably have it.

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

62 posted on 05/08/2011 4:03:14 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: SoConPubbie
3. Reagan had no reason to believe that Sandra Day O'Conner would become the RINO/moderate she became.

O'Connor was already bad, but unfortunately a RINO advisor (Rudman? Memory fails.) purposefully fed him false info on the matter. (e.g. he omitted the fact that she had already done work for Planned Parenthood). Othert than that your post is spot on.

Reagan did a good job picking a cabinet and advisors FOR THE MOST PART. It was impossible to keep all of the termites out. Keep in mind that in the early '80's the Republican Party was perhaps majority RINO of the Gerald Ford variety. I don't mean single or two issue RINOs (e.g. Gingrich), I mean better than Specter but worse than Huckabee, symbolized by Howard Baker, a philosophical mindset earned by being a weak counterpart to the Dems for decades, akin to the Mulroney conservatives in Canada. Even by the end of his second term, weasels like Howard Baker and Henry Kissinger getting important roles.
63 posted on 05/08/2011 4:11:06 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: JLS
4. Did not cut and run after the Marine bombing in Lebanon?

He did pull off of land, but kept a ship located off the coast. I think he mainly regretted setting up a peace keeping mission where it wasn't gonna happen.
64 posted on 05/08/2011 4:14:13 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: rabscuttle385

1. Mike, you’re no Ronald Reagan.

2. Frankly, you’ve got bigger problems than being a compromising squish. I’m not thinking of you being simultaneously a plump greasy little ball of self-pity and malice, though you are. I’m thinking of you already having had a couple of guys you’ve commuted get out and kill people, with no guarantee there won’t be more. Yeah, that’s not good.


65 posted on 05/08/2011 4:29:28 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Mike Huckabee is the last person who should complain that Republicans "Balkanize themselves." He gets as low and ugly as anyone does with some of his little jabs at people.

He can criticize policies that are forced on a sitting governor, but his weaknesses are going to come from unforced errors that he made. No one forced him to pardon as many criminals as he did. No one forced him to support taxpayer financing of college degrees for illegal alien children after the taxpayers had already put those children through elementary school, junior high, and high school. No one forced him to support cap-and-trade at one time or give a rather weak explanation of what he said.

Mike Huckabee has good experience as a governor. He's generally been a friend to the Second Amendment, and I appreciate his strong stands on those issues. Overall, I think he'd try to control spending and taxes even though he doesn't seem as strong on this issue as some other candidates do. I'd be happy to support him against Obama if he won the nomination.

Beyond the above weaknesses, he's going to have a harder time winning some of the swing states that a Republican candidate must win. He might be okay in Florida, but he's going to have big problems in Ohio. He should win Iowa in the general election. He may or may not be able to retake Virginia and North Carolina. He can probably win back Indiana, but that's not a given. I hope he can win neighboring Missouri. I doubt that he'd be strong in winning western states like Colorado or Nevada.

At this point, Mike Huckabee might do better for himself and the party if he sits out 2012.

66 posted on 05/08/2011 5:18:22 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where is this place? Very. Cool


67 posted on 05/08/2011 5:53:49 AM PDT by ncalburt (DO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: JLS

A very good article and on the money. However, be prepared with asbestos clothing for the incoming.

One thing you missed, coming after the worse till now president ever, the guy who hands out towels in the mens room would have looked great too!


68 posted on 05/08/2011 5:56:31 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: rabscuttle385

Check this rino off your list!


69 posted on 05/08/2011 6:10:39 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Media is loving a chance that the Republican nominee might be Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, or (Insert moderate name here). With the track record Huckabee has in Arkansas (clemency for a murderer as one), Romney has in Massachusetts (Romney care failure), Gingrich sitting on a couch with Pelosi talking about global warming.....etc....
The only way to win against Obama is a CONSERVATIVE candidate on the Republican Ticket. Not one endorsed by Rove or the elite establishment. It didn’t work with McCain & it won’t work this time either.


70 posted on 05/08/2011 6:45:44 AM PDT by UrbanPanhandler (To find something "Wrong" in anything, just find where government has regulated it.)
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To: JLS

I believe your term was “cut and ran” when it came to Lebanon. If you check the French histories of the time you will find the criticism that it was France that actually cut and ran and left the Maronite Christians — who had received French support literally since the 11th Century — to fend for themselves. (In addition to the Marines killed in Lebanon, there were a series of explosions that had killed many French military.) Thus, when Reagan asked his advisors (and Baker can be checked on this): If the French were planning to bug out, and if the Israelis had their own plans for Lebanon, did the USA really have a dog in a fight that seemed both endless and pointless if the Christians were ungovernable? The general response was no, the Lebanese embroglio seemed both expensive and pointless. The USA then left.


71 posted on 05/08/2011 7:22:23 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: UrbanPanhandler

“The Media is loving a chance that the Republican nominee might be Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich...”

Agreed. What these three have in common is that they are all big government totalitarians, who are far, far beyond the Republic of limited government envisioned by the founders. There is not a dime’s worth of difference between them and Hillary Clinton, and hardly 15 cents worth of difference between them and BHO.

Oh, and Romney is a gun-grabber, too, responsible for banning “assault weapons” in Massachusetts, in addition to socialized medicine.


72 posted on 05/08/2011 7:25:27 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Okay, okay, okay, Huck. Just for the sake of argument, let's say you're right.

If all the Republican candidates had the exact same stance on every issue, would you then decide to get into the race and, if so, why should we pick you over the other candidates?

Please try to answer without going all Balkanizational.

73 posted on 05/08/2011 7:28:54 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: rabscuttle385

Stay out of it Huck. Build your dream home in Fla and stick with the TV show the Little Rockers.


74 posted on 05/08/2011 7:35:51 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rabscuttle385
In one respect, Huckabee is right. Factions of Republicans and conservative are ripping apart every potential candidate including ones that are genuine conservatives. That isn't good.
75 posted on 05/08/2011 7:43:24 AM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: JLS; rabscuttle385; 3D-JOY; 50mm; AGreatPer; calcowgirl; cindy-true-supporter; concretebob; ...
Democratic Party majority counts highlighted in yellow.
  House   Senate
  Reps Dems   Reps Dems
1981-1983 192 243 51   53 46 7
1983-1985 167 268 101   54 46 8
1985-1987 182 253 71   53 47 6
1987-1989 177 258 81   45 55 10
2001-2003 221 212 9   50 50 0
2003-2005 229 204 25   51 49 2
2005-2007 232 202 30   55 45 10
2007-2009 202 233 31   49 49(+2*) 2*

Source:
The office of the Clerk U.S. House of Representatives
Party Division in the Senate, 1789-Present
I'm with you, bub. NO WAY Reagan ain't a RINO. Even though Reagan had insurmountable Dem opposition in the House and was still able to lower the top marginal rates from 70% to 28% - that's no excuse! Keep hammerin' away at his mistakes. Sandra Day Harriet Myers. Even the ones where he admitted the mistake - like [wink, wink, I'm making big quotation marks with my fingers] "amnesty" and "border security".

It really burns my butt when they speak of Reagan being the Great Communicator. Bush - now THERE was a communicator!

Huckabee? What's a Huckabee?

Bush on the other hand. Now THERE was [ahem] a President!

Now where was I? Oh yeah, under a rock.


75½ posted on 05/08/2011 11:35:27 AM EDT by Chip Stone (Everybody must get stoned! -- Bob Dylan)

To: 3D-Joy; 50mm; AGreatPer; calcowgirl; cindyTrueSupporter; concretebob; Disco Dave; Doctor Raoul; ...
ping!

If you want off my ping list get over it!


76 posted on 05/08/2011 8:46:28 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: JLS; SoConPubbie; Al B.; Brices Crossroads; Virginia Ridgerunner

Good morning, JLS!

Candidate Reagan would have no trouble at all winning election in a landslide today, and President Reagan would too, despite his record as you have laid out, omitting [of course] his many stellar accomplishments.

You cannot have it both ways when you try to inject history into the mix and that’s the fatal flaw in your argument and Huckaboob’s.

Women would applaud his nomination of the FIRST female JUSTICE TO SCOTUS, along with William Rehnquist ... · Antonin Scalia ...

The subject of illegal immigration would be off the table, right, with the border secured first before the 7 million were granted *amnesty*? Recall it was only 7 million *back then*.

Terrorism in Lebonan? Now how do we rewinde that to meet today’s terrorism?

Taxes? Where to start? How to revise that one to meet today’s overwhelming mess?

Let’s see, JLS, how many times did “Candidate Reagan in 1980” *compliment* Jimmy Carter like Huckaboob tosses kisses at Obama?

The next time you want to take up for Huckaboob, don’t do it on the back of *President Reagan*. He beat the daylights out of Carter and he won reelection.


77 posted on 05/08/2011 8:58:03 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: BufordP

Huckabee sucks.

Bush was certainly not what he could have been.

But when you pick on Bush’s speaking skills like some juvenile Air America dillweed, you just look like an idiot.


78 posted on 05/08/2011 9:04:42 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: onyx
Thanks for the ping, onyx. I see the malcontents and yahoos are running wild again. I am heartened by the many replies from people in defense of the Gipper.

>>>>>Former President Ronald Reagan, Huckabee argued, would find it next to impossible to make it through a modern day Republican primary given that he "raised taxes as governor" of California and "made deals with Democrats."

That has to be one of the most ignorant statements about Reagan and politics made by one of todays so-called major players. Another conservative challenged moderate using Reagan to prop himself up. Truly despicable.

American politics in 1976 and 1980 did not embrace conservatism the way it does today in 2011. Reagan advanced conservatism more than anyone else. That includes Bill Buckley and the infamous, Barry Goldwater. While Buckley laid the basic groundwork for conservatism, Goldwater's 1964 run for potus actually set the conservative movement back a full decade.

It was Reagan who actually built the lasting foundation upon which the modern conservative movement exists till this day.

Mike Huckabee's remarks and many of the replies on this thread are nothing but more than cheap pot shots taken at a great American. Was Reagan perfect? Of course not. Reagan worked within the political and governing system that existed at that time.

Reagan was a successful two term Governor of California and the most successful conservative President since Calvin Coolidge. Highlights that will never apply to Mike Huckabee.

79 posted on 05/08/2011 9:11:58 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Mr. Silverback
Face it. His malaprops are what they are. Bush was a lousy communicator among numerous other things. He gets creds for the WOT and Supreme Court justices. Little else.

Dillweed indeed.

80 posted on 05/08/2011 9:12:20 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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