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Cal Thomas: Voters shouldn't buy into a Donald Trump candidacy
Sun-Sentinel ^ | April 25, 2011 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 04/24/2011 9:39:32 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby

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To: AlexW

OK, I guess that I mis-interpreted your post. I am not yet a Trump for President guy, just a Trump for Candidate guy, so I think that we’re close to being on the same page. I love Palin, I’m mainly for Bolton, but his chances, as well as Cain’s, Bachmann’s, and maybe even Palin’s are not great as I see it.


61 posted on 04/25/2011 12:43:17 AM PDT by matthew fuller (We need a White, American, Christian, heterosexual and Conservative President.)
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To: nathanbedford
"I would offer Newt Gingrich as a man who certainly fits your implicit test, actually carries less baggage than Trump, and, as an added bonus, is a conservative. I repeat, he is a conservative."

AMEN!

62 posted on 04/25/2011 12:47:26 AM PDT by matthew fuller (We need a White, American, Christian, heterosexual and Conservative President.)
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To: matthew fuller

“OK, I guess that I mis-interpreted your post. I am not yet a Trump for President guy, just a Trump for Candidate guy,”
____________________________________________________

Yes, I support what TRUMP IS DOING, not Trump for POTUS.
He is the only one with the gonads to go after Obozo on the birther issue, which was starting to die, until he gave it
a really healthy breath of fresh air.

The crowd that has their nose in the air, viewing the birth issue as low class, or unseemly, make me want to puke.
They can go suck an egg.


63 posted on 04/25/2011 12:53:23 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: Rennes Templar

Trumps kids all get along, even from different marriages. In an interview last winter he had the whole family together . His kids seem well adjusted and hard working. Reflects well on Trump (IMO)


64 posted on 04/25/2011 1:06:47 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: floridavoter2

Yes, enough of “nice”. This is the big time, time to bring it.


65 posted on 04/25/2011 1:09:50 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby
Donald Trump

born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN unlike Comrade Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama.

66 posted on 04/25/2011 1:44:19 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Reagan Man
Cal Thomas joins a growing chorus of solid conservatives like Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, Mark Steyn, Steven Hayes, Michael Reagan and Michelle Malkin in opposing this charlatan.

I dont see Rush or Savage on your list...perhaps Rush and Savage have just enough age on them to start considering retirement....Levin, Coulter, et. al...maybe they need to keep Obama to stay "marketable"... what would these folks do if Palin got the gig?

67 posted on 04/25/2011 1:48:56 AM PDT by sternup
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To: Magic Fingers
There are so many liberals, RINOs, conservatives, and MSM-types telling me I should avoid even the sound of Trump’s voice that I’m sure I’ll do just that.

Why doesn't the 'rest of field' get the message that Donald is really giving. They might, at least, move into 'viable' category, per Leadership considerations.

(Of course, we can count on the fact that they will NOT 'go there'. Rove continues to hold and wave, the warning flags.)

68 posted on 04/25/2011 3:19:36 AM PDT by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: Magic Fingers
There are so many liberals, RINOs, conservatives, and MSM-types telling me I should avoid even the sound of Trump’s voice that I’m sure I’ll do just that.

Why doesn't the 'rest of field' get the message that Donald is really giving. They might, at least, move into 'viable' category, per Leadership considerations.

(Of course, we can count on the fact that they will NOT 'go there'. Rove continues to hold and wave, the warning flags.)

69 posted on 04/25/2011 3:19:41 AM PDT by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

In bridge, a trump card is held in reserve for winning a trick. In politics, Donald Trump is anything but reserved and appears to think he might trick enough voters to win the next presidential election.
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Obama tricked his way into the White House so let’s not say it cannot be done.


70 posted on 04/25/2011 3:59:03 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

By their fruits you shall know them.


71 posted on 04/25/2011 4:03:02 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby
Does he read the Bible and believe what it says? How about the parts concerning marriage, divorce and fornication?

Calvin, please...do not emit that sort of thing indoors.

If I were king of Heaven, Trump might well get in one day, and ahead of you, but he would never be POTUS.

Why can't people keep these things separate? There's one meter for judging a man as a candidate for POTUS, another altogether for judging him as anything else (businessman, soul in need of an open Bible, fishing buddy, fella you want dating your daughter, etc.) Trump stands out in some categories, sinks in others.

72 posted on 04/25/2011 4:41:31 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: neverbluffer

...”I am beginning to believe (although I know already) that there is more to this Obama birth certificate thing than we think.

It is amazing how all the media, public personalities, and even some of our own so called “conservative” types are bashing Trump. It is a page right out of “rules for radicals”

it scares me”...

Me, too. The desperation to shut the people up who practice common sense and reason is as bad as it gets outside of violent manipulations. I have just finished an incredible little book by the title of WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD by Erwin W. Lutzer, Senior Pastor of the Moody Church in Chicago..He has nailed what is wrong in America, but does not leave much hope that we will be able to avoid the suffering which is coming..Christians, especially, need to gird themselves and to get ready to be persecuted beyond belief. We do not want to think about this or hear about it and only a few will stand. However, we need to take the long view and to know that God allows despots to gain power over his people when they turn away and begin to join and appease the Godless idolaters. They will not stand in the end but in the interim, the suffering of the people may be great. Today I will try to buy several of these little books to give to the pastors of churches around me..


73 posted on 04/25/2011 5:08:00 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: presently no screen name

I gave up on Cal Thomas a long, long time ago. I remember reading his colums around 1990 and thinking “Great”. But at this point any R who doesn’t want to entirely dismantle the fedgov and bring it back to Constitutionally mandated duties only - I have no use for them.

Well, I have use for them if they attack Zero where it hurts with courage. And no one is doing that. Except oddly enough Trump who is not a conservative.

So who the heck knows how this will get fixed. I guess by fire, or something.


74 posted on 04/25/2011 6:26:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I don’t really know Cal but by his rant I thought he was a lib or a RINO. Seeing how he’s considered a conservative - well, I’ll say he wore his mask for awhile. Why would anyone, other than a lib, trash Trump when he’s taking on a major problem, our Constitution being ignored - something no one else dare attempt. Forget about him wanting to be president - he should be praised for what he is doing now.

These idiots are putting the cart before the horse and it’s easy to see who really are ‘with us’ - whether it’s freepers, politicians, columnists or talking heads. IMO, they are outing themselves but will swear they are conservative. I find it odd - they speak of the weak backbone of GOP politicians to speak out about the BC issue but when a divorced successful businessman does - they condemn him because he’s divorced, gave campaign money to ‘rats and have liberal friends. Yet, Ann Coulter, who is considered conservative, with her snarky tone, trashes the BC issue. And her candidates of choice are anything but conservative. Just comparing Ann to Trump in this, Trump is closer to conservatism. Right now, the only ones I see standing for our Constitution is Trump, Sarah and West. If Our Country/Our Constitution isn’t important to the rest of them - who needs them.


75 posted on 04/25/2011 7:32:40 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Any “conservative” who thinks the eligibiilty issue is nothing and criticizes those who are concerned, has chosen the wrong side. Very wrong side.


76 posted on 04/25/2011 7:49:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Prokopton

Amen!


77 posted on 04/25/2011 8:12:15 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: neverbluffer

“I am beginning to believe (although I know already) that there is more to this Obama birth certificate thing than we think.”

From an email I recieved yesterday:

Obama may have a criminal past...
• Posted by Rick Perry on April 1, 2011 at 6:30am

This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator....very interesting.

Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro”. (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...
OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother’s passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry’s mother divorced.

A “certificate of live birth” can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name “Barrack Hussein Obama”. I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?....

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as “Obama”. Fake Diploma’s were very big in the 80’s and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)... Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi’s apparently loved Barry’s story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name “Obama”. The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review.... I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.

It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?... I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals... I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi’s, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either…http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in...

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name “Obama” until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980... Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry’s own admission) and was not using the fictitious name “Obama” at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name “Obama” only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

NEW NOTE - On the the Selective Service Registration, Barry did not have the Connecticut Tax ID number he used on the Registration until after he began using the name “Obama” in New York. More evidence his Selective Service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry’s first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don’t want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.

With time on his hands Barry, a well spoken black man, was able to get elected to a state office, oddly because he looked for fraud in his opponents voter registrations and got his opponent disqualified from running. Barry a well versed liar was a natural in state politics. He used his political influence to get himself a position as a lecturer at Chicago’s law school. Barry embellished this position as a “professor of law” which everyone knows is completely false. Barry was not a professor or even a specialist at anything but lying.

On a whim Barry ran for United States Senate for the State of Illinois. Politicians do this all the time to make a name for themselves even if they can’t win. At the time the Republican Ryan was a shoe in for the Senate seat, so no real Democrat contenders entered the race, but Barry did. On a fluke after the primary Ryan’s wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of nine from Star Trek) went public that her husband was making her have sex with other people while he watched. Ryan dropped out and Alan Keys moved from Maryland to run against Barry Soetoro.

The election got all kinds of press because there was no blacks in the U.S. Senate and one of these black men was going to be a Senator. Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Barry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpet bagger. Barry kept the lie going and presented himself as a clean black man that talked like a white man... Illinois elected Barry to U.S. Senate. The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry’s back ground when Ryan dropped out.

Phil, Barry’s boy friend from Occidental, was found working in California as a communications specialist (receptionist) for a dental hygienist school and given a diploma from Columbia and cover story. The rest of Barry’s drug friends were all given jobs or money by the Democrat machine to keep quiet.

Because Barry was such a news maker as the only Black in the Senate, and he could speak like a white man he was made key speaker for the Democrat convention. Barry then decided to run for President to keep the lie going. No one thought to question Barry’s back ground in the Democrt party... They helped cover up the ugly back ground. The only person jumping up and down warning Barry was not who he claimed to be was Alan Keys and he was discarded as just an angry loser.

Now we have a complete fraud sitting in the Office of the President. Clearly the most corrupt, inexperienced, and ignorant President in the history of the United States who’s only quality is that he can lie with a straight face.

Barry Soetoro is as much of a fraud as Bernie Madoff and his house of cards will soon fall down.


78 posted on 04/25/2011 8:16:58 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (More politicians can't fix what politicians have created. Trump for POTUS.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

“How about a constitutional conservative like me who’s got a problem with Trump’s depraved view of property rights? If he like Kelo, and he does, he’s no conservative. Wolf-in-Sheep’s clothing. You watch your mutton, FRiend”

I’m a constitutional conservative who has a problem for one reason or another with pretty much every candidate or potential candidate I’m aware of. Obviously, I will watch my mutton - but I’m not going to close my ears just because braying voices from all sides of the aisle tell me to.


79 posted on 04/25/2011 8:28:50 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: floridavoter2

I agree, it is vital. It is also vital to exactly what “sh*t” not to take. I’m not running for President, but I’ve decided not to take any more unconstitutional “sh*t” from any candidate, no matter how beautiful he thinks he is. Trump is shoveling tons of “sh*t” right at the conservative voting base, and far to many of them are wallowing it it. Can a conservative really get behind a man who thinks it’s OK to abuse the Constitution to steal the homes of elderly widows? For limo parking lots? For his own private business? Can I really call that man a conservative? Ummmm, no. That’s a bit of “sh*t” I’m not going to take.

Palin picks the same “sh*t” not to take that I do, and she’s pretty d*mn tough about it when she makes her mind known. That’s why she’s getting my vote, until and unless another, better true conservative arises. I’m not holding my breath.


80 posted on 04/25/2011 9:53:38 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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