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Jan Brewer vetoes Arizona’s “Birther bill” [Any Arizonans willing and able to explain?]
Hot Air ^ | April 18, 2011 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 04/18/2011 7:24:39 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Not the only veto she issued tonight, either. She also rejected a bill that would have allowed people to carry guns on state college campuses on grounds that it was “poorly written.” Not a total surprise given the political climate in the state after Gabby Giffords’s shooting, but a mild surprise given the grassroots conservative cred Brewer built for herself by championing Arizona’s immigration law.

This one’s a genuine surprise, though.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill to require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names can appear on the state’s ballot…

“I do not support designating one person [i.e. the secretary of state] as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions,” said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

“In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their ‘early baptismal circumcision certificates’ among other records to the Arizona secretary of state,” she said. “This is a bridge too far.

I’m guessing there’s some local political angle that explains this, but I can’t figure out what it is and some furious googling reveals nothing. Any Arizonans willing and able to explain? She just started her new term so electoral politics is immaterial. Is there some core agenda item that she needs Democratic help to pass? Or is she trying to build goodwill with Obama for better cooperation on immigration? Or, just maybe, did she genuinely believe that the bill was stupid and embarrassing to Arizona? All theories welcome.


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KEYWORDS: certifigate; janbrewerbirtherbill
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1 posted on 04/18/2011 7:24:45 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

If they vote again it passes her Veto.


2 posted on 04/18/2011 7:25:53 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: RobinMasters

She’s been “gotten to”


3 posted on 04/18/2011 7:26:09 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: RobinMasters

Team Obama must have gotten some kind of dirt on her and is blackmailing her... or threatening her.


4 posted on 04/18/2011 7:27:29 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: RobinMasters

The bill was passed by a large majority in both houses and her explanation for the veto (above) is far from adequate. Until a better explanation is offered by Brewer I put this down to lack of courage. Disgusting.


5 posted on 04/18/2011 7:28:33 PM PDT by wistful
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To: RobinMasters

The birther thing is disappointing, but not surprising.

The campus gun bill thing - if the bill really was poorly written, then it probably needed vetoed and redone. Sometimes, bills really are poorly written, which leaves them open to all kinds of problems, from vulnerability to legal challenges to misuses that were never intended by the original authors of the bill (see U.S. Constitution, 14th amendment). A bad bill is worse than no bill at all.


6 posted on 04/18/2011 7:28:42 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Edgar3

My thinking too. As have a lot of em.


7 posted on 04/18/2011 7:29:03 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: Edgar3
She’s been “gotten to”

Yeah, they're going down like flies.

8 posted on 04/18/2011 7:29:25 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: RobinMasters

What would it take & how possible to override the veto?


9 posted on 04/18/2011 7:29:27 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: RobinMasters

She also vetoed the guns on college campus bill. I wasn’t exactly impressed a few minutes ago when she appeared on Greta’s show and said “No guns on our college campuses, no guns on our kindergarten campuses!”


10 posted on 04/18/2011 7:30:10 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: RobinMasters
“I do not support designating one person [i.e. the secretary of state] as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions,” said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

Uh, how could following the law as written be arbitrary or politically motivated? Anyway, don't you have a state supreme court to handle such things if they did happen?

11 posted on 04/18/2011 7:30:27 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: RobinMasters

Her justification makes sense but she should have brought that up during the drafting of the bill so a good one was sent her way. A single person as a gatekeeper could risk both corruption as well as putting the State in legal turmoil. Imagine if for some reason, the next SoS is a Dem and decides to ‘accidentally’ lose all Republican’s paperwork or find some little thing wrong with it and disqualify every Republican candidate.


12 posted on 04/18/2011 7:30:52 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: RobinMasters

It still takes bravery to stay free. What’s it going to take for us to remain the land of the free because we are the home of the brave?


13 posted on 04/18/2011 7:31:26 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: screaminsunshine; Edgar3
I keep looking for the little mark on the back of their necks like in the '50 movie Invaders from Mars.
14 posted on 04/18/2011 7:31:42 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: RobinMasters

Maybe someone can enlighten me, but I just heard her explanation and is she saying it is better that there is NO gatekeeper than to have the Secretary of State validate candidates? I thought that was part of the job description. According to the courts, citizens have no standing to question the eligibility- now she doesn’t want the SOS to have the right either...I am confused.


15 posted on 04/18/2011 7:35:57 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Cementjungle

Well, it looks like they are dating or something.

16 posted on 04/18/2011 7:35:58 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: RobinMasters

I support eligibility legislation, but am somewhat confused by the “or” baptismal or circumsion certificate. Why not only a birth certificate?


17 posted on 04/18/2011 7:36:16 PM PDT by Flying right
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
from the comments on the American Thinker article on Trump...

It appears to me that the legislation that is in process in Arizona will do the opposite of what various news reports have characterized the bill to accomplish. Of course, America is only his mother’s country. Barry’s “alleged” biological father’s country was Kenya. I recommend that people read the information about the bill that is available at the Arizona web address as follows: [www.azleg.gov]

The current wording of that Arizona bill could be interpreted as making a child born to only one American parent a “natural born” United States citizen. Note the bill’s language as follows: “A person who is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a natural born United States citizen.”

18 posted on 04/18/2011 7:36:24 PM PDT by digger48
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To: mnehring

What would it take & how possible to amend and resubmit? (Stupid to leave up to one person.) I guess what would make sense is the state formulating how it would officially regard something as unconstitutional. Then incorporate that formula into the bill.


19 posted on 04/18/2011 7:36:58 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: wistful

I don’t even think it would have taken any courage to sign these bills as they were passed with a large majority. Somebody got to Brewer. This is the screwiest thing I have seen in awhile.

They got to the GA legislature by threatening to withhold Federal funding for the Savannah Port Improvement project and now the eligibility bill is floundering in the state legislature.

Obama is in desparation mode.


20 posted on 04/18/2011 7:37:49 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Cementjungle

Not so quick to slam, any one checked out this legislation, it could well be junk construct. Gotten to, not, Jan is a pretty sharp kid.

Rabin


21 posted on 04/18/2011 7:38:16 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Cementjungle

Politics is dirty - RAT politics is TRASH!!!


22 posted on 04/18/2011 7:39:49 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: RobinMasters

This may sound like a little bit of stretch, but here it goes.
Maybe the thinking among those republicans is that Obama is very defeatable. If he is knocked out of the race we may have Hillary to deal with come Nov. 2012 and a re energized Democrat party. With the Republicans in control of the House Obama is handicapped as to what he can do so lets wait him out.


23 posted on 04/18/2011 7:41:16 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Flying right

I know. In this day and age how difficult would be to get a certified birth certificate. Or at least make the law ambiguous enough to allow the Sec. of State to be able to determine if the “source’ of information is adequate.


24 posted on 04/18/2011 7:41:16 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: Jim 0216

I’m thinking the same thing. It seems it would only need a small modification to allow for a panel to approve or deny versus a single person.

I do wonder why the dems overwhelmingly supported it unless they salivated at the idea of a future Dem SoS abusing this privilege.


25 posted on 04/18/2011 7:41:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Inyo-Mono

Disappointing but if only ONE state adopts such a law the jig is up for Urkel.


26 posted on 04/18/2011 7:41:31 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: RobinMasters
I hope they vote again and pass her veto. Sitting here open jawed. . . Just can't believe this. Here I sent the AZ law to all my Idaho legislators. . a lot of people working on eligibility in their states. Thanks a lot Jan. . .
27 posted on 04/18/2011 7:41:59 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: RobinMasters
As good as she has been for our state, this just proves once and for all the US CONSTITUTION MEANS NOTHING IN 2011

No one dare challenge the black man.
28 posted on 04/18/2011 7:43:32 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: RobinMasters

I’m not from AZ, but from what I understand, her veto was based on the language of the bill.

The one thing we don’t need is another bill passed that is labeled one thing, but does another.

Like the ‘internet neutrality’ bill.

The devil is in the details.


29 posted on 04/18/2011 7:46:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: RobinMasters

Sounds like it was a pretty worthless bill anyway. It allowed several other forms of easily faked “proof”.


30 posted on 04/18/2011 7:47:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: mnehring

If in committee or panel, I think it should somehow still be voted on by the state legislature at the time because it’s a pretty big deal: calling an act or a candidate unqualified constitutionally. Almost certain to be challenged by the Feds, so the state should be solid in its resolution I think.


31 posted on 04/18/2011 7:47:14 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Vermont Lt

Right! And, a boy is circumsized some 8 days after he is born. This is no proof that he was born where he was circumsized. Ditto for baptisms.


32 posted on 04/18/2011 7:48:07 PM PDT by Flying right
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To: Edgar3

Also think she has been spoken to. She has been at the White House a few times.


33 posted on 04/18/2011 7:49:23 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: RobinMasters
Jan Brewer is not a conservative. She supported McCain. Her poll numbers were low until the AZ immigration bill was passed and sent to her desk. By signing it, she guaranteed her victory as governor.

I wonder if she will sign the birth certificate bill that has been passed by the AZ legislature. I have my doubts. McCain is probably counseling against it.

34 posted on 04/18/2011 7:50:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: digger48

That’s what I figured. The bill is garbage that basically ignores the Constitutional requirement to be NBC and essentially creates a bunch more loopholes out of easily forged documents.


35 posted on 04/18/2011 7:52:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Rabin

Jan is as dumb as a sack of rocks. McCain is the puppeteer.


36 posted on 04/18/2011 7:53:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: scooby321

Trump is going to have something to say about this.

Pop some corn.


37 posted on 04/18/2011 7:53:45 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: RobinMasters

Very,very disappointed with Gov. Brewer.


38 posted on 04/18/2011 7:55:24 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: digger48

The bill uses the same language and document requirements as someone who applies for a US passport. This is not a flawed bill. Obama would have to present his long form birth certificate or other document listed. The fix is in.


39 posted on 04/18/2011 7:56:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RobinMasters

well, i’m so glad people can now get on the ballot for president of the united states without having to provide eligibility requirements

i think i’ll start a campaign to get mittens, the international cat of mystery, onto the ballot


40 posted on 04/18/2011 7:59:33 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: kabar
The bill uses the same language and document requirements as someone who applies for a US passport.

Really? I can get a passport if I swear my documents are authentic and valid? LOL

41 posted on 04/18/2011 8:02:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: mnehring

No, her justification doesn’t make sense, because any legal resident was given standing in this bill to challenge the SOS decision in court. Vetoing the bill was the only sure way to make sure that a SOS COULD be a political hack without the people being able to hold him/her accountable to state law or the Constitution.

Her “justification” for vetoing it is actually the reason she should have signed it.


42 posted on 04/18/2011 8:02:30 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Flying right
US Passport application:When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*

Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth

Naturalization Certificate

Certificate of Citizenship

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

Beginning April 1, 2011, all birth certificates must also include the full names of the applicant's parent(s). For more information, please see New Requirement for all U.S. Birth Certificates.

If you cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. Determine what form of secondary evidence is most appropriate for your situation based on the descriptions below.

Early Public Records

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted with a birth record or Letter of No Record. Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:

Baptismal certificate

Hospital birth certificate

Census record

Early school record

Family bible record

Doctor's record of post-natal care

Early Public Records are not acceptable when presented alone

43 posted on 04/18/2011 8:03:34 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TigersEye

See my post #43. FYI: I have issued US passports. You can swear all you want, but you better have the documents to back it up.


44 posted on 04/18/2011 8:06:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Tammy8

It doesn’t make sense. And particularly because this bill created FOUR gates as opposed to the one (SOS) right now. This bill creates the gate of the SOS, any person who wishes to challenge the SOS’s decision, state court, and the Supreme Court.

So because she thinks we shouldn’t have just one gatekeeper she vetoed the bill that would have created FOUR gatekeepers and leaves it so that there is..... one gatekeeper, who cannot be held accountable.

Her reason makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Either she is BSing big-time, playing CYA for her own self or Obama, or else she is just plain morbidly stupid.


45 posted on 04/18/2011 8:06:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: kabar

From House Bill 2177.....

B. THE AFFIDAVIT PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION A SHALL INCLUDE REFERENCES 21 TO AND ATTACHMENT OF ALL OF THE FOLLOWING, WHICH SHALL BE SWORN TO UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY:

1. A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST THE DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH, THE NAMES OF THE HOSPITAL AND THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, IF APPLICABLE, AND SIGNATURES OF ANY WITNESSES IN ATTENDANCE.

IF THE CANDIDATE DOES NOT POSSESS A LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS REQUIRED BY THIS PARAGRAPH, THE CANDIDATE MAY ATTACH TWO OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS THAT SHALL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE IF THE CANDIDATE SWEARS TO THEIR AUTHENTICITY AND VALIDITY AND THE DOCUMENTS CONTAIN ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO DETERMINE IF THE CANDIDATE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED IN ARTICLE II, SECTION 1, CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES:

(a) EARLY BAPTISMAL OR CIRCUMCISION CERTIFICATE.
(b) HOSPITAL BIRTH RECORD.
(c) POSTPARTUM MEDICAL RECORD FOR THE MOTHER OR CHILD SIGNED BY THE DOCTOR OR MIDWIFE OR THE PERSON WHO DELIVERED OR EXAMINED THE CHILD AFTER BIRTH.
(d) EARLY CENSUS RECORD.

2. A SWORN STATEMENT OR FORM THAT IDENTIFIES THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S PLACES OF RESIDENCE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR FOURTEEN YEARS.
C. IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBSECTION B, THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE MAY ALSO SUBMIT A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT FROM TWO OR MORE PERSONS WHO WITNESSED THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’S BIRTH.

Of course 0baMao would never falsely swear to the authenticity and validity of his documents but what if some future candidate did? /s


46 posted on 04/18/2011 8:08:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: butterdezillion

I would bet a lot of money that John McCain was involved in this decision. And surely, the GOP establishment does not want the BC issue raised in any context.


47 posted on 04/18/2011 8:09:01 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; mnehring

Exactly right. Good for Brewer. Hope she can line up her wobbly Republican politicians.

The AZ eligibility bill as written is worthless and actually counterproductive. It is ludicrous to believe any responsible state would refer to NBC and then specify easily fabricated home birth documents in lieu of a traditional BC and at the same time make no mention of the parents or their citizenship.

The current improper legal view taken by bureaucrats of the 14th A has taken a firm grip in some of the liberal branches of our government and politicians fear to correct it. Now, even a state that requires only a long form BC is opening the doors to anchor baby candidates.

Some do not believe there is an effort afoot to “remake” America and most politicians who do, lack the courage to do anything about it.


48 posted on 04/18/2011 8:09:29 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Islamic and Communist totalitarians share the same goal - global domination via jihad.)
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To: Edgar3

Maybe she’s just thinking ahead. The Republicans won’t always be in power in Arizona. Would it really be wise to let some partisan leftist hack decide who the candidate should be?

Besides, there are plenty of people on the conservative side that don’t buy into the birther theories. That doesn’t mean she was “gotten to”. If they were going to “get to” her why wouldn’t they also do so over the border?

Whether you support the movement to get Obama to show his long form (I’m one who does), thinking someone was “gotten to” is the kind of thing I expect to see on DU or Alex Jones. Not FR.

Cindie


49 posted on 04/18/2011 8:09:40 PM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: frog in a pot
...and at the same time make no mention of the parents or their citizenship.

That was the first major flaw I saw in it. This bill would just set in law a degraded standard for being a NBC and that would complicate future efforts to clarify it.

50 posted on 04/18/2011 8:12:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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