Skip to comments.Jan Brewer vetoes Arizona’s “Birther bill” [Any Arizonans willing and able to explain?]
Posted on 04/18/2011 7:24:39 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Not the only veto she issued tonight, either. She also rejected a bill that would have allowed people to carry guns on state college campuses on grounds that it was poorly written. Not a total surprise given the political climate in the state after Gabby Giffordss shooting, but a mild surprise given the grassroots conservative cred Brewer built for herself by championing Arizonas immigration law.
This ones a genuine surprise, though.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill to require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names can appear on the states ballot
I do not support designating one person [i.e. the secretary of state] as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions, said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.
In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their early baptismal circumcision certificates among other records to the Arizona secretary of state, she said. This is a bridge too far.
Im guessing theres some local political angle that explains this, but I cant figure out what it is and some furious googling reveals nothing. Any Arizonans willing and able to explain? She just started her new term so electoral politics is immaterial. Is there some core agenda item that she needs Democratic help to pass? Or is she trying to build goodwill with Obama for better cooperation on immigration? Or, just maybe, did she genuinely believe that the bill was stupid and embarrassing to Arizona? All theories welcome.
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If they vote again it passes her Veto.
She’s been “gotten to”
Team Obama must have gotten some kind of dirt on her and is blackmailing her... or threatening her.
The bill was passed by a large majority in both houses and her explanation for the veto (above) is far from adequate. Until a better explanation is offered by Brewer I put this down to lack of courage. Disgusting.
The birther thing is disappointing, but not surprising.
The campus gun bill thing - if the bill really was poorly written, then it probably needed vetoed and redone. Sometimes, bills really are poorly written, which leaves them open to all kinds of problems, from vulnerability to legal challenges to misuses that were never intended by the original authors of the bill (see U.S. Constitution, 14th amendment). A bad bill is worse than no bill at all.
My thinking too. As have a lot of em.
Yeah, they're going down like flies.
What would it take & how possible to override the veto?
She also vetoed the guns on college campus bill. I wasn’t exactly impressed a few minutes ago when she appeared on Greta’s show and said “No guns on our college campuses, no guns on our kindergarten campuses!”
Uh, how could following the law as written be arbitrary or politically motivated? Anyway, don't you have a state supreme court to handle such things if they did happen?
Her justification makes sense but she should have brought that up during the drafting of the bill so a good one was sent her way. A single person as a gatekeeper could risk both corruption as well as putting the State in legal turmoil. Imagine if for some reason, the next SoS is a Dem and decides to ‘accidentally’ lose all Republican’s paperwork or find some little thing wrong with it and disqualify every Republican candidate.
It still takes bravery to stay free. What’s it going to take for us to remain the land of the free because we are the home of the brave?
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but I just heard her explanation and is she saying it is better that there is NO gatekeeper than to have the Secretary of State validate candidates? I thought that was part of the job description. According to the courts, citizens have no standing to question the eligibility- now she doesn’t want the SOS to have the right either...I am confused.
Well, it looks like they are dating or something.
I support eligibility legislation, but am somewhat confused by the “or” baptismal or circumsion certificate. Why not only a birth certificate?
It appears to me that the legislation that is in process in Arizona will do the opposite of what various news reports have characterized the bill to accomplish. Of course, America is only his mothers country. Barrys alleged biological fathers country was Kenya. I recommend that people read the information about the bill that is available at the Arizona web address as follows: [www.azleg.gov]
The current wording of that Arizona bill could be interpreted as making a child born to only one American parent a natural born United States citizen. Note the bills language as follows: A person who is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a natural born United States citizen.
What would it take & how possible to amend and resubmit? (Stupid to leave up to one person.) I guess what would make sense is the state formulating how it would officially regard something as unconstitutional. Then incorporate that formula into the bill.
I don’t even think it would have taken any courage to sign these bills as they were passed with a large majority. Somebody got to Brewer. This is the screwiest thing I have seen in awhile.
They got to the GA legislature by threatening to withhold Federal funding for the Savannah Port Improvement project and now the eligibility bill is floundering in the state legislature.
Obama is in desparation mode.
Not so quick to slam, any one checked out this legislation, it could well be junk construct. Gotten to, not, Jan is a pretty sharp kid.
Politics is dirty - RAT politics is TRASH!!!
This may sound like a little bit of stretch, but here it goes.
Maybe the thinking among those republicans is that Obama is very defeatable. If he is knocked out of the race we may have Hillary to deal with come Nov. 2012 and a re energized Democrat party. With the Republicans in control of the House Obama is handicapped as to what he can do so lets wait him out.
I know. In this day and age how difficult would be to get a certified birth certificate. Or at least make the law ambiguous enough to allow the Sec. of State to be able to determine if the “source’ of information is adequate.
I’m thinking the same thing. It seems it would only need a small modification to allow for a panel to approve or deny versus a single person.
I do wonder why the dems overwhelmingly supported it unless they salivated at the idea of a future Dem SoS abusing this privilege.
Disappointing but if only ONE state adopts such a law the jig is up for Urkel.
I’m not from AZ, but from what I understand, her veto was based on the language of the bill.
The one thing we don’t need is another bill passed that is labeled one thing, but does another.
Like the ‘internet neutrality’ bill.
The devil is in the details.
Sounds like it was a pretty worthless bill anyway. It allowed several other forms of easily faked “proof”.
If in committee or panel, I think it should somehow still be voted on by the state legislature at the time because it’s a pretty big deal: calling an act or a candidate unqualified constitutionally. Almost certain to be challenged by the Feds, so the state should be solid in its resolution I think.
Right! And, a boy is circumsized some 8 days after he is born. This is no proof that he was born where he was circumsized. Ditto for baptisms.
Also think she has been spoken to. She has been at the White House a few times.
I wonder if she will sign the birth certificate bill that has been passed by the AZ legislature. I have my doubts. McCain is probably counseling against it.
That’s what I figured. The bill is garbage that basically ignores the Constitutional requirement to be NBC and essentially creates a bunch more loopholes out of easily forged documents.
Jan is as dumb as a sack of rocks. McCain is the puppeteer.
Trump is going to have something to say about this.
Pop some corn.
Very,very disappointed with Gov. Brewer.
The bill uses the same language and document requirements as someone who applies for a US passport. This is not a flawed bill. Obama would have to present his long form birth certificate or other document listed. The fix is in.
well, i’m so glad people can now get on the ballot for president of the united states without having to provide eligibility requirements
i think i’ll start a campaign to get mittens, the international cat of mystery, onto the ballot
Really? I can get a passport if I swear my documents are authentic and valid? LOL
No, her justification doesn’t make sense, because any legal resident was given standing in this bill to challenge the SOS decision in court. Vetoing the bill was the only sure way to make sure that a SOS COULD be a political hack without the people being able to hold him/her accountable to state law or the Constitution.
Her “justification” for vetoing it is actually the reason she should have signed it.
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Certificate of Citizenship
*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
Beginning April 1, 2011, all birth certificates must also include the full names of the applicant's parent(s). For more information, please see New Requirement for all U.S. Birth Certificates.
If you cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. Determine what form of secondary evidence is most appropriate for your situation based on the descriptions below.
Early Public Records
If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted with a birth record or Letter of No Record. Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:
Hospital birth certificate
Early school record
Family bible record
Doctor's record of post-natal care
Early Public Records are not acceptable when presented alone
See my post #43. FYI: I have issued US passports. You can swear all you want, but you better have the documents to back it up.
It doesn’t make sense. And particularly because this bill created FOUR gates as opposed to the one (SOS) right now. This bill creates the gate of the SOS, any person who wishes to challenge the SOS’s decision, state court, and the Supreme Court.
So because she thinks we shouldn’t have just one gatekeeper she vetoed the bill that would have created FOUR gatekeepers and leaves it so that there is..... one gatekeeper, who cannot be held accountable.
Her reason makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Either she is BSing big-time, playing CYA for her own self or Obama, or else she is just plain morbidly stupid.
From House Bill 2177.....
B. THE AFFIDAVIT PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION A SHALL INCLUDE REFERENCES 21 TO AND ATTACHMENT OF ALL OF THE FOLLOWING, WHICH SHALL BE SWORN TO UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY:
1. A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST THE DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH, THE NAMES OF THE HOSPITAL AND THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, IF APPLICABLE, AND SIGNATURES OF ANY WITNESSES IN ATTENDANCE.
IF THE CANDIDATE DOES NOT POSSESS A LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS REQUIRED BY THIS PARAGRAPH, THE CANDIDATE MAY ATTACH TWO OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS THAT SHALL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE IF THE CANDIDATE SWEARS TO THEIR AUTHENTICITY AND VALIDITY AND THE DOCUMENTS CONTAIN ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO DETERMINE IF THE CANDIDATE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED IN ARTICLE II, SECTION 1, CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES:
(a) EARLY BAPTISMAL OR CIRCUMCISION CERTIFICATE.
(b) HOSPITAL BIRTH RECORD.
(c) POSTPARTUM MEDICAL RECORD FOR THE MOTHER OR CHILD SIGNED BY THE DOCTOR OR MIDWIFE OR THE PERSON WHO DELIVERED OR EXAMINED THE CHILD AFTER BIRTH.
(d) EARLY CENSUS RECORD.
2. A SWORN STATEMENT OR FORM THAT IDENTIFIES THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES PLACES OF RESIDENCE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR FOURTEEN YEARS.
C. IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBSECTION B, THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE MAY ALSO SUBMIT A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT FROM TWO OR MORE PERSONS WHO WITNESSED THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES BIRTH.
Of course 0baMao would never falsely swear to the authenticity and validity of his documents but what if some future candidate did? /s
I would bet a lot of money that John McCain was involved in this decision. And surely, the GOP establishment does not want the BC issue raised in any context.
Exactly right. Good for Brewer. Hope she can line up her wobbly Republican politicians.
The AZ eligibility bill as written is worthless and actually counterproductive. It is ludicrous to believe any responsible state would refer to NBC and then specify easily fabricated home birth documents in lieu of a traditional BC and at the same time make no mention of the parents or their citizenship.
The current improper legal view taken by bureaucrats of the 14th A has taken a firm grip in some of the liberal branches of our government and politicians fear to correct it. Now, even a state that requires only a long form BC is opening the doors to anchor baby candidates.
Some do not believe there is an effort afoot to “remake” America and most politicians who do, lack the courage to do anything about it.
Maybe she’s just thinking ahead. The Republicans won’t always be in power in Arizona. Would it really be wise to let some partisan leftist hack decide who the candidate should be?
Besides, there are plenty of people on the conservative side that don’t buy into the birther theories. That doesn’t mean she was “gotten to”. If they were going to “get to” her why wouldn’t they also do so over the border?
Whether you support the movement to get Obama to show his long form (I’m one who does), thinking someone was “gotten to” is the kind of thing I expect to see on DU or Alex Jones. Not FR.
That was the first major flaw I saw in it. This bill would just set in law a degraded standard for being a NBC and that would complicate future efforts to clarify it.