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To: trisham
"Making it a states' rights issue makes no sense at all, unless we don't believe that human life is of much value. "
Contrary to your stated belief, this premise is entirely false. I was going to respond to the other poster, but realized I had a better chance of explaining to you the strategies involved in pursuing the fight this way...I am pro life, period. It has been PROVEN over the past 40 or more YEARS, that fighting this on the federal level is a lost cause. Whenever a state imposes restrictions, the feds overrule it. If this does indeed become a states rights issue ( and according to our constitution, it is ) the battlefields become much smaller, and easier to handle. This can then be attacked with a much greater chance of success. The problem with this approach is that there are so many that attempt to stand above everyone else, with their noses pointed skyward, and their fingers pointed downward towards the masses, that a sound strategy for fighting this cannot be formulated. The other poster holds this view, as he accused me of something that I do not believe. Our rights have been slowly eroded over many decades. To get them back is going to be a battle. I have laid out a battle plan. What is yours? To complain and put down those that are formulating plans that can lead to success??? Now, I await the "Morally Superior" to pick my post apart, accuse me of things I did not say, and then put me down as an inferior being.....
57 posted on 04/04/2011 9:10:17 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone; trisham; Dr. Brian Kopp; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
I am pro life, period. It has been PROVEN over the past 40 or more YEARS, that fighting this on the federal level is a lost cause. Whenever a state imposes restrictions, the feds overrule it. If this does indeed become a states rights issue ( and according to our constitution, it is ) the battlefields become much smaller, and easier to handle. This can then be attacked with a much greater chance of success. The problem with this approach is that there are so many that attempt to stand above everyone else, with their noses pointed skyward, and their fingers pointed downward towards the masses, that a sound strategy for fighting this cannot be formulated.

That sounds vaguely familiar, let's take another look at it:

.I am pro life anti-slavery, period. It has been PROVEN over the past 40 or more YEARS, that fighting this on the federal level is a lost cause. Whenever a state imposes restrictions, the feds overrule it. If this does indeed become Keeping this a states rights issue ( and according to our constitution, it is ) the battlefields become much smaller, and easier to handle. This can then be attacked with a much greater chance of success. The problem with this approach is that there are so many that attempt to stand above everyone else, with their noses pointed skyward, and their fingers pointed downward towards the masses, that a sound strategy for fighting this cannot be formulated.

Need I remind you how your approach worked the last time it was tried?

61 posted on 04/04/2011 9:24:24 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: joe fonebone
If any state has a "right" to alienate God-given rights, those rights are no longer unalienable, are they?

Fact is, no government has any "rights" in the area of the people's unalienable rights whatsoever. All they have are God-imposed, constitutionally-required sworn obligations, which they must act upon if they are to fulfill the reason for the existence of their offices.

The "pro-choice for states," "states' 'rights' trump unalienable rights" position is a Stephen A. Douglas Democrat, Gerald R. Ford Republican, position. And it destroys the very basis of American self-government and our claim to liberty.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

-- The Declaration of Independence


64 posted on 04/04/2011 9:44:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: joe fonebone
"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature."

-- Samuel Adams, The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting, Nov. 20, 1772


66 posted on 04/04/2011 9:51:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: joe fonebone
"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

-- The United States Constitution

The pro-choice for states abortion position is immoral and blatantly unconstitutional. No candidate for public office who holds it is fit to serve at any level, as they are in breach of the sacred oath of office.

67 posted on 04/04/2011 9:55:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: joe fonebone
"We the People of the United States, in Order to...secure the Blessings of Liberty to...Posterity..."

-- The ultimate stated purpose of the United States Constitution


69 posted on 04/04/2011 9:58:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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