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Why Conservatives Should Oppose Efforts To Defund Planned Parenthood (Full Page WSJ ad)
Wall Street Journal | 4/4/11 | Richard M. Scaife

Posted on 04/04/2011 7:11:52 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

"An Open Letter to Fellow Conservatives"

The Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives--urged on by conservatives opposed to abortion--has voted to defund Planned Parenthood. On this issue, Republicans and conservatives are dead wrong.

My grandmother was a friend and supporter of Margaret Sanger, one of America's earliest, most effective advocates of birth control.

I met Sanger several times before her death in 1966 and was impressed b y her intellect and her commitment to many issues, not the least of which was enabling every woman to be "the absolute mistress of her own body" as she put it.

I didn't agree with everything the formidable Mrs. Sanger espoused. Yet I respected her dedication to making health-care and birth-control services available to all Americans, especially to those with low incomes, no insurance and no other recourse to medicall services.

And I admired her fearless, relentless readiness to stand up for what she believed, despite decades of angry, mean-sprited, often hypocritical attacks on her ideas and her character.

So I am aggravatged by the continuing attacks on Sanger and her primary legacy, the Planned Parenthood network that still serves so many Americans today.

Now the Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives--urged on by conservatives opposed to abortion--has voted to defund Planned Parenthood.

On this issue, Republicans and conservatives are dead wrong.

Abortions are a minor aspect of Planned Parenthood's mission to provide reproductive health care, education, and other services to Americans, regardless of income.

More than 90 percent of its work focuses on preventive care, including preventing unintended pregnancies that often lead to unwanted, neglected and abused children.

In Pittsburgh and across America, Planned Parenthood offices help people to make better decisions about whether to have children. They help to arrance adoptions for women or couples unable to raise a child but unwilling to end a pregnancy.

Many of their clients are poor Americans who cannot afford birth-control measures that can cost $50 a month or more.

Of the 10,000 to 12,000 people who use local Planned Parenthood services, about 20 percent are teenagers, half are ages 20 to 30 and the rest are older than 30.

Of course, no one wants tenneagers to get pregnant. Yet far too many do--and they need reliable, honest advice about what to do next. For many of them, Planned Parenthood is the only reliable source of that advices. For many others, Planned Parenthood is the only safe, reliable source of counseling to avoid getting pregnant in the first places.

If not for Maragaret Sanger's vision and bravery, many poor Americans would have no place to turn for birth-control measures and counseling or for other health-care services.

To take that away makes on sense.

Dick Scaife

(Mr. Scaife is chairman of Trib Total Meida Inc., parent company of hte Pittsburgh Tribune-Review and its family of publications. Note: this op-ed was originally published in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

Paid for by Republicans for Planned Parenthood, a project of Planned Parenthood Federation of America.


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This was a full page ad in today's Wall Street Journal, page A13.

Scaife can support PP all he wants with his own dollars.

He makes no case for PP getting any of MY dollars.

If PP is such a great damn idea, can it not survive on its own?

1 posted on 04/04/2011 7:11:58 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Few things this damn gub mint does that makes me madder than them taking MY MONEY to pay for others abortions.
That’s just wrong.


2 posted on 04/04/2011 7:13:33 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: wagglebee; BykrBayb

ping!


3 posted on 04/04/2011 7:13:37 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; trisham; wagglebee

I wonder how he fit so many lies into such a small space.


4 posted on 04/04/2011 7:17:43 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SoFloFreeper

no sir, you are not a fellow conservative, when you are on the wrong side of both social and fiscal policy, you are not on our side.


5 posted on 04/04/2011 7:19:29 AM PDT by jenk (ima go with tgo)
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To: BykrBayb; wagglebee; SoFloFreeper

It’s nauseating.


6 posted on 04/04/2011 7:20:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
More than 90 percent of its work focuses on preventive care, including preventing unintended pregnancies that often lead to unwanted, neglected and abused children.

I would rather be unwanted, neglected and abused than dead. Mr. Scaife (a billionaire) has everything including life. He would like to shut the door of life on those who stand on the other side.

The real story of Margaret Sanger, whom he lauds (calling into question his rationality) has not been told in any broad sense. She was a eugenicist, a racist and a Nazi sympathizer. An absolutely murderous villain and elitist.

Scaife has funded many conservative causes but this issue reveals that he expends his efforts on the things that the wealthy elites have always been interesed in: Money and Power.

He is no social conservative.

7 posted on 04/04/2011 7:20:46 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

nowhere in the constitution is the federal government given the power to regulate abortions. therefore by default it is a states rights issue.....defund it


8 posted on 04/04/2011 7:21:11 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SoFloFreeper
You don't have to be captain obvious to tell all of the good "advice" the leftists and msm tries to give us is to promote their own agenda.

Fortunately, millions of people are onto the MSM and pays about as much attention to them as a fly in a hurricane.
9 posted on 04/04/2011 7:21:41 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Birth control costs 50 bux a month?

Hell, you can get a condom for a quarter in sex shops!

So....at .25 cents each, a woman would need to have sex almost 7 times a day to reach her magic 50 dollar mark.

Where is she, I want to meet her..... :)


10 posted on 04/04/2011 7:22:14 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What page of the constution authorizes the funding.


11 posted on 04/04/2011 7:23:54 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SoFloFreeper
Richard M. Scaife??? As in Richard Mellon Scaife???

Isn't he the founder and funder of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that Hillary Clinton said was behind the effort to bring her "husband" down?

12 posted on 04/04/2011 7:24:28 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I wish I had the money to do another full page ad connecting Margaret Sanger with eugenics and Black genocide.


13 posted on 04/04/2011 7:24:50 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: SoFloFreeper
If 90 per cent of PP’s work is on preventative care why do most of their employees works so hard on the remaining 10 per cent?

Why is the only approved PP solution to unwanted pregnancies abortion? Abortion isn't a form of preventative case, is it?

14 posted on 04/04/2011 7:25:03 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Many of their clients are poor Americans who cannot afford birth-control measures that can cost $50 a month or more.

Legs closed = FREE.

15 posted on 04/04/2011 7:27:01 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until Fri, Jan 20, 2017.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

His claim that PP is the only source of quality pregnancy care is an abject and profoundlky insulting lie. There are many very high quality prolife counseling centers even in benighted Pittsburgh. He is correct that prenatal death centers are very limited. They should be outlawed as unconstitutional.


16 posted on 04/04/2011 7:27:41 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Practically everyone who has met one of history’s monsters in a social setting will tell you how they’re charming, intelligent, respectful, etc., etc., etc. Maybe it’s the halo effect of all the bright lights and reflected adulation of the masses. Perhaps these people think, “wow, I’m chatting up Herman Goreing, Fidel Castro or Barak Obama! He’s charming, much nicer than the guy who would bomb London, kill thousands of Cubans or pass Obama Care!”

For ever after, those who met famous monsters must tell everybody that they knew them, they basked in their glory; unlike all of you who only read history, I was part of it! So, to collect this glory, they become apologists and by their apology tell you how great they themselves are that these famous and wonderful people talked to them. I’d imagine in the liberal mindset, having been lectured in person by Margaret Sanger is rather like having been spoken to by God or an angel.


17 posted on 04/04/2011 7:28:05 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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pro-life bump!


18 posted on 04/04/2011 7:28:47 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What goes around comes around, Scaif.


19 posted on 04/04/2011 7:29:25 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Paid for by Republicans for Planned Parenthood, a project of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. That about says it all right there.
20 posted on 04/04/2011 7:29:38 AM PDT by caldera599
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980


21 posted on 04/04/2011 7:31:03 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Dr. Thorne
The real story of Margaret Sanger, whom he lauds (calling into question his rationality) has not been told in any broad sense. She was a eugenicist, a racist and a Nazi sympathizer. An absolutely murderous villain and elitist.

Pretty much says it all. The woman was pure evil

22 posted on 04/04/2011 7:31:26 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"An Open Letter to Fellow Conservatives"

When a person has to tell me they're a 'fellow conservative' I doubt. Same with 'this won't hurt' or 'you can trust me'. When the person IS, when it really won't hurt, when you can truth - IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SAID.

23 posted on 04/04/2011 7:31:35 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"many poor Americans"

He's speaking in code. What he's saying is, "We've got to stop those blacks and Hispanics from outbreeding us whites."
24 posted on 04/04/2011 7:31:52 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SoFloFreeper

I always suspected that Scaife and Godzillary were in cahoots during that whole Clinton/Lewinsky farce.


25 posted on 04/04/2011 7:33:51 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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bump!


26 posted on 04/04/2011 7:40:29 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Unbelievable...people should research Sanger and listen or read her speeches...the woman was no different than a Nazi. She worshiped eugenics...evil...evil..person.

What an achievement more than 50 million dead because of her!

What is it with these left progressives...they just aren’t happy until millions die especially the helpless!

Look at Rachael Carson...ban DDT and kill millions in Africa...but that isn’t racism?


27 posted on 04/04/2011 7:43:32 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is not a hard decision.

The ruling class “elites” in DC are spending $1.5T a year more than they bring in, $5,000 per man, woman, and child in our country. Even if you ignore the evil of taking our money by force and using it to kill the innocent, we cannot afford to do everything “nice” that someone in our country wants our federal government to do. For the sake of the children that liberals permit to survive, we need to cut the federal budget back to the essentials.

Even those who think the world needs more dead babies should be objective enough to see that the taxpayers can’t afford to kill as many of our children as they want to kill. We need to scale back the federal government to only those enumerated powers in the Constitution, and killing the next generation doesn’t make the list. If Scaife wants more dead infants, he needs to pay for that himself, not with money that our (living) children will eventually have to repay.


28 posted on 04/04/2011 7:45:52 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Abortions are a minor aspect of Planned Parenthood's mission to provide reproductive health care, education, and other services to Americans, regardless of income.

Yeah, and that one little murder should be cancelled out by all the good that Mr._____ did. Is that the logic?

That "minor" aspect is what all the controversy is about.

29 posted on 04/04/2011 7:54:11 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I guess Scaife believes that black babies are "human weeds?"
30 posted on 04/04/2011 7:55:34 AM PDT by eCSMaster (2012 - End of an error)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"Margaret Sanger"

The same Margaret Sanger who pushed for and received legislation allowing for the forced sterilization of "undesirables?" The same Margaret Sanger who hated black people? The same Margaret Sanger who wanted to only allow certain "desirable" persons to breed? The same Margaret Sanger who pushed for the forced abortion of "undesirable" children? The same Margaret Sanger whose writings appear below:

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people.

On sterilization & racial purification:

Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:

Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:

"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:

"This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927)

On the extermination of blacks:

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:

In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

On adultery:

A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11

On marital sex:
"The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23) [Quite the opposite of God's view on the matter: "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

On abortion:
"Criminal' abortions arise from a perverted sex relationship under the stress of economic necessity, and their greatest frequency is among married women." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

On the YMCA and YWCA:
"...brothels of the Spirit and morgues of Freedom!", The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

On the Catholic Church's view of contraception:
"...enforce SUBJUGATION by TURNING WOMAN INTO A MERE INCUBATOR." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

On motherhood:
"I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915) [Jesus said: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep... for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bear, and the breasts which never gave suck." (Luke 23:24)]

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

31 posted on 04/04/2011 8:00:13 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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32 posted on 04/04/2011 8:10:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ronnyquest

She was extremely disturbed.


33 posted on 04/04/2011 8:16:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Yep, same guy.
34 posted on 04/04/2011 8:16:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: chesley

They’re simply lying about the percentages of “care” that they provide. It’s all in how it’s measured and what they count as an allocation of resources.

It’s probably closer to the truth that the percentages are reversed - 10% “other”, 90% abortions.


35 posted on 04/04/2011 8:19:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB; chesley; BykrBayb; trisham; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; xzins; P-Marlowe
They’re simply lying about the percentages of “care” that they provide. It’s all in how it’s measured and what they count as an allocation of resources.

It’s probably closer to the truth that the percentages are reversed - 10% “other”, 90% abortions.

Planned Parenthood alone murders approximately ONE THOUSAND INNOCENT AMERICANS EACH DAY, I really don't give a damn what percentage of their business that is.

This is like arguing that the Nazis should have been supported because great highways were more important than murdered Jews.

36 posted on 04/04/2011 8:28:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: joe fonebone; wagglebee
nowhere in the constitution is the federal government given the power to regulate abortions.

Nowhere in the constitution is the federal government given the power to tell one citizen they can arbitrarily murder another citizen and call it a "right."

therefore by default it is a states rights issue.....defund it

No, its a human rights issue. Both the federal and state governments have a duty and obligation to defend and protect innocent human life. Therefore, innocent human life should be protected at both the federal and the state level.

37 posted on 04/04/2011 8:30:09 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: MrB

Doesn’t matter if it was just 1%, or 0.001%, abortions.

A murder is a murder, and why should my tax dollars go to support murderers?


38 posted on 04/04/2011 8:33:15 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
A great essay by Michael Crichton about Margaret Sanger and the Eugenics Movement

Why Politicized Science is Dangerous

39 posted on 04/04/2011 8:39:28 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: SoFloFreeper

At one time, I seriously considered subscribing to Richard M. Scaife’s Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, because our local Johnstown Tribune Democrat newspaper is such a pathetic excuse for journalistism. However, given this piece of demonic propaganda, I’ll never spend a dime supporting any Trib Total Media Inc. owned business.

Do Quinn and Rose broadcast on a station owned by Trib Total Media Inc. ?!?


40 posted on 04/04/2011 8:39:38 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: SoFloFreeper
Paid for by Republicans for Planned Parenthood, a project of Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

Imagine that. Planned Parenthood funding an ad to argue for retaining their government funding.

41 posted on 04/04/2011 8:40:11 AM PDT by FourPeas (James 3:9-10)
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To: SoFloFreeper; wagglebee; P-Marlowe; narses
In Pittsburgh and across America, Planned Parenthood offices help people to make better decisions about whether to have children.

This is an out-and-out lie, not to mention just a stupid statement.

I'm betting that not one single person walked through their doors last year and said: "I'm here to discuss ideas on better ideas about family planning before we get around to starting ours."

The BS meter is pegged out on that one.

42 posted on 04/04/2011 8:40:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Texas Eagle; SoFloFreeper; smoothsailing

One in the same.

Richard Mellon Scaife is only a conservative when he stands to profit from it.

This turkey supported the corrupt John Murtha for years and his paper, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, endorsed him many times.

For him to support PP proves he’s not a genuine conservative.


43 posted on 04/04/2011 8:48:00 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; joe fonebone
No, its a human rights issue. Both the federal and state governments have a duty and obligation to defend and protect innocent human life. Therefore, innocent human life should be protected at both the federal and the state level.

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Agreed. There is nothing more fundamental than the protection of human life. Making it a states' rights issue makes no sense at all, unless we don't believe that human life is of much value.

44 posted on 04/04/2011 8:48:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
Am I the only one to see a reverse psychology angle here? That in fact Mr. Scaife is indeed bona fide? That this is a thinly veiled attack on the American Holocaust that is inflicted on America by Planned Parenthood and its pro-abation polices?
 
I'd like to see the official response from the hags and nags at PP. I cannot believe they would sit by and let anyone try and asociate PP with Margaret Sanger. Even though Sanger is their founder.
 
This article is satire folks. If I were a brain damaged liberal in search of blacks to abort. I would not like this subtle attack by Scaife.


45 posted on 04/04/2011 8:49:12 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: xzins

Agreed. “Family Planning” is a euphemism for “contraception and abortion”.


46 posted on 04/04/2011 8:50:35 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: joe fonebone; SoFloFreeper; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
nowhere in the constitution is the federal government given the power to regulate abortions. therefore by default it is a states rights issue.

Ah yes, the libertarian "pro-choice by state" approach.

Do you believe that the babies being murdered are persons? If so their deaths are already unconstitutional. If you do not believe they are persons, why do you care about abortion at all?

47 posted on 04/04/2011 8:50:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Big Murder PAID for the WSJ ad.
48 posted on 04/04/2011 8:53:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Thorne
I would rather be unwanted, neglected and abused than dead.

First, I'm not a supporter of Planned Parenthood. At all.

Second, by the phrasing of your statement, I'd guess you weren't an unwanted, neglected or abused child. (And, no, I don't think abortion is the answer. Ever.)

49 posted on 04/04/2011 8:54:31 AM PDT by FourPeas (James 3:9-10)
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To: chesley

I’m in agreement there... I’m just pointing out the lies of these people, as everyone should - call them on it when they lie and show others that they lie, that they can’t be trusted.


50 posted on 04/04/2011 8:54:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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