Posted on 03/31/2011 7:50:40 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
/johnny
recreational drugs that make people stupider, less rational, paranoid, crazy, or lethargic, or makes them hallucinate.”
sounds like the drinking water in D.C.
We don't have enough home-grown leftists wrecking the country. Now we have to import them from Turkey.
Okay, but given that, I wouldn't bet against some bureaucrat trying to ban caffeine, arguing that it does indeed make you lethargic when it wears off.
The initial reaction to that is probably going to be that it's ridiculous and absent any degree of common sense, but looking at what's been coming out of DC lately I don't think that's much of an argument any more.
Be careful what you wish for.
The problem is that once you start unravelling like that, you wind up thinking that a limited federal government ruled by a restrictive Constitution makes sense.
Some laws are truly needed and are time-tested. Murder, rape, robbery, fraud...
And then there are the other laws. The ones that are about personal preferences, and enforced by men with guns and the force of law.
/johnny
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“Be careful what you wish for. “
Agreed, we must be cautious, but I still don’t want to see marijuana legal for recreational use. I believe the harm from that outweighs any harm from restricting it.
An argument not even worth considering. When drug usage is used to kill someone other than yourself, it would fit.
“Abuse and/or harassment is already unlawful, and is the use of force against another. Have the person arrested for abuse/harassment. Problem solved. No need to outlaw a plant that has many other uses.”
I disagree with you.
For someone to deliberately make themselves insensible to a large degree or another, or to make themselves crazy on purpose, or to make themselves incompetent; is a direct threat to me.
I don’t want to wait until I am attacked; or run over; or some stoned slob burns the building down; I don’t want to wait until someone neglects their kids to death or harm, or forgets to turn off the stove because they are too interested in smoking their crack, or decides to go ahead and rape me because they are so horny and the self control is set aside, or abuses their grandpa because it all of a sudden seems funny, or takes pot shots at cars because it’s so cool when you’re high.
I know you can be prosecuted afterwards. That is a cold comfort.
Most of the above can happen accidentally. And it can happen if someone is crazy through no fault of their own. Those are tragedies.
To deliberately increase your likelihood of doing anything like the above is criminal.
I think that depends on the means being used to restrict it. Do you have any idea what the cumulative harm of the New Deal "substantial effects" Commerce Clause has been?
The consumption of natural vegetation by citizens should be beneath the dignity of the state to acknowledge, let alone to regulate.
The entire foundation of the War on Drugs is the false notion that our governors can know the good, and take legal measures to bring it about.
Vanity, all is vanity.
>>>Amen, brother, preach it! Following the Constitution fixes LOTS of problems.<<<
You got THAT right. There are many problems, concerns, and issues that are best dealt with locally. Just to bring up a can of worms, abortion was on that trajectory in the early 1970s. Places that wanted it legal made it legal. Places that wanted it illegal kept it illegal. Local people were deciding the issue according to local culture, local understanding, and local values. Then the courts intervened and turned it into the intractable mess that it is right now.
The same is true for schools, drug laws, gay marriage, lobbyists, federal budget overruns, taxes, health care, and on and on. If it ain’t in the Constitution, it’s none of the federal government’s damn business. Washington needs to return to that sleepy midsouth yawner it used to be when the nation was first in war, first in peace, and last in the National League.
No.
But I support criminal sanctions for possession, use, and distribution of marijuana. And other drugs that make us insensible, irrational, lethargic, paranoid, or tend to make us hallucinate.
I’d support heavier sanctions on the stronger drugs; for example crack would get a heavier penalty than pot. It works faster and more intensely.
That doesn’t mean I support warrantless searches nor the presumption of guilt by taking people’s money and/or property. I don’t support that for any crime, no matter how serious.
“Another great posting. I once supported the drug war and thought that Libertarians who opposed it were nuts. But they turned out to be right.”
I thought the repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment gave us a hint on how well prohibitions work. Remember the St. Valentine’s Day massacre, Al Capone and bootleggers such as the Kennedy klan...the spelling is intentional.
It was outlawed to keep Mexicans from corrupting the virtuous purity of white women.
/mainly not kidding
That's what the Justice Department under the supposedly conservative Bush adminstration went before the USSC and argued to uphold to in order to keep medical marijuana illegal.
Before you buy into anything, know what it's costing you.
I’d go with that.
I don’t think legalization would cure all ills, but it would be better than what we have now — by a substantial margin. But leave it up to the states. We have states the outlaw gambling, states where it is legal, states where certain forms are legal but others aren’t. If you hate gambling, you can move somewhere where it’s illegal.
Heck, there are still dry counties down south where that foul demon al-ke-hol is still illegal.
The worst thing we could do, IMHO, is keep doing what we are doing now, which is doing nothing to solve the problem and is, in fact, making it substantially worse.
What’s your position on whiskey?
You mean, like alcohol? We tried that, and afterward it seemed like such a terrible idea we undid it. Alcohol makes people insensible, irrational, lethargic, and some paranoid and a very few, hallucinate. All of the above.
youre an idiot-—murder is not smoking a joint. Not even close. What the hell are YOU smoking and do you have any to share with the rest of us fool!
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