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Japan says battle to save the nuclear reactors has failed [Scrap 1-4]
guardian.co.uk, ^ | Thursday 31 March 2011 04.43 BST | Justin McCurry in Tokyo

Posted on 03/30/2011 9:04:55 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

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To: eak3

I agree Eak3....below is video of the concrete pump they’ll be using...impressive piece of machinery...

I have been extremely impressed that these reactors held as they did....amazing stamina of the workers to have worked from the beginning...by hand...in the dark....to keep six, no less, reactors from melting out...and this in the face of major Tusami and Earthquake of the likes few can identify with....and they still have not let up trying to secure these. Stunning!

I don’t think anyone here on FR can relate to the pressure these workers had from the beginning....it is beyond my ability to imagine wroking in the dark for as long as they have..and basically by hand in the environment of what they were faced with....Stunning courage!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMOCHuowI&feature=related


121 posted on 03/31/2011 7:13:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: arrogantsob

About one in five know the answer straight off. I’m giving the remainder the benefit of the doubt, because they’ll say “Wait a minute, I should know this... “ and then they start saying “Well, let’s see... one million is one thousand times a thousand... that’s six zeros... and a billion is a thousand millions, so that’s nine zeros...”

Right there, I’ll put that person into the “knows what a trillion dollars is.” Doesn’t matter that they don’t know it is 1.0E12 right off the bat, I’ll give it to them because they’re working to figure it out. More power to ‘em.

The people who come up with the outlandish nonsense - they’re in the other two thirds.

re: “It is beyond pitiful.” Don’t get me started, brother. I could rant for days without drawing a breath...


122 posted on 03/31/2011 7:20:03 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave; arrogantsob

The already high level of innumeracy in the general population is compounded by the fact that our cadre of journalists is almost completely innumerate. Thus, all reporting of news is colored by that failing.


123 posted on 03/31/2011 7:27:20 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster

This is terrible. Can we do nothing but sit and wait?


124 posted on 03/31/2011 8:05:39 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: mvpel
What about the third camp which wildly and outlandishly mischaracterizes the second camp?

There is enough 'dumb' to go around, and I am not immune to it. However, my application of it is far better utilized chastizing the first two groups (both the world-is-ending and the crazy rads-r-gr8 Coulter types) rather than in saying nuclear energy is 'playing God' and 'too dangerous' or saying that the Fukushima issue is a 'non-issue.' Both actual quotes I have seen on FR. I'd rather be in the third camp, which realized nuclear energy is key and an efficient/safe energy source, while knowing there is a difference between the beneficial effects of low-doze ionizing radiation hormesis versus what is going on at Fukushima (and yes, just to reiterate, the second group is also idiotic).

Thus, I am the first to admit I am in that third camp, which believes in nuclear energy (and hence disposes the wild nuclear-gehenna screams of the first group), but is also not stupid enough to ascribe to Coulter's radiation is good for you crap.

125 posted on 03/31/2011 9:02:32 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Professional

Silly me, I thought that Japan was situated in the Pacific Ocean.....

Well, I guess that my 1950’ geography teacher had it wrong.


126 posted on 03/31/2011 10:42:03 PM PDT by Duaine (Peace is our profession....)
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To: caww
I don’t think anyone here on FR can relate to the pressure these workers had from the beginning....it is beyond my ability to imagine wroking in the dark for as long as they have..and basically by hand in the environment of what they were faced with....Stunning courage!

And have we thought about the engineers' families, living in the stricken area, and how rough it must be on them? ... and how hard it must be on the engineers to fight the dragon, knowing their families are in danger, perhaps homeless...?

We owe them our prayers and gratitude. They are risking their lives trying to keep the rest of us safe. Heroes all.

127 posted on 04/01/2011 12:59:02 AM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: a real Sheila

save the reactors for future use was the apparent gameplan of Tepco management. Yesterday Tepco said they would shut 4 units down - the government of Japan corrected that statement to say all 6 units at Fuki.

This morning news is coming out that the government of Japan is purchasing Tepco for an undisclosed sum and taking over operations.

Story developing...


128 posted on 04/01/2011 3:36:32 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: spetznaz

Here’s the thing - based on the preliminary information that was available in the first weeks following the tsunami, the situation was, in fact, very nearly a non-issue. Things went downhill, as they sometimes do. That doesn’t mean that people who said, before the sh!t hit the fan, that a minor release of hydrogen and slightly radioactive steam was a non-issue were incorrect.

And people who say that a dozen picocuries of radiation in rainwater is a non-issue may also point out that you get three thousand-odd picocuries of radioactive potassium in a bag of potato chips.

Radiation is part of life on earth, and always has been. Our bodies were designed (or evolved, if you prefer) to take it into account. And there have, in fact, been studies linking moderately higher exposure to ionizing radiation to lower mortality. The primitive linear no-threshold model is pretty much debunked. Did you even read Ann Coulter’s column, or are you just going on the headline alone?


129 posted on 04/01/2011 3:51:23 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Professional
Please check this thread for latest info:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2698723/posts

130 posted on 04/02/2011 11:31:15 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: NVDave
The plant had battery back-up for eight hours or so of control and cooling operation without the diesels. Those ran down.

I'd like to know more about the battery backup system. I wonder if they could of kept it running by bringing in car batteries or something or better yet hook up a generator to deliver the required DC voltage and amps to use as a "battery eliminator."

The plant DID survive the Earthquake, more than it was designed to take but he tsunami wiped out the fuel supply, the diesel in above ground tanks, to the generators. I know here in Pittsburgh, the Shippingport reactor does have their diesel stored in below ground tanks and I'm sure they can bum power off from the coal plant next to them if need be.
131 posted on 04/03/2011 1:19:28 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: listenhillary
We can give them Detroit.

Ironically the Enrico Fermi reactor almost melted down in 1965, they just got that situation under control just before they gave the order to evacuate Detroit. There is a book that I'd like to read called, "We Almost Lost Detroit," that was about the Fermi incident.
132 posted on 04/03/2011 1:25:10 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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