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Report: Germany offers Croatia 20 aging F-4 Phantom fighter jets
The Associated Press ^ | 03/16/2011

Posted on 03/16/2011 6:51:37 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Report: Germany offers Croatia 20 aging F-4 Phantom fighter jets

By: The Associated Press

ZAGREB, Croatia - Croatian state TV is reporting that Germany has offered Croatia 20 aging F-4 Phantom fighter planes to replace its even older MIG-21 jets.

Croatia's HRT television says the twin-engine American-made fighters can fly for another couple of years before they are retired. But the six Soviet-made MIGs in the Croatian air force fleet have an even shorter flight span left.

HRT says the Croatian government has not yet answered to the German free-of-charge offer for the McDonnell Douglas Phantoms, which entered service with the U.S. Air Force in 1960 and have long been retired by the German air force.

HRT says that if the offer

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; croatia; f4; germany

1 posted on 03/16/2011 6:51:43 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Trading one dinosaur for another


2 posted on 03/16/2011 6:57:21 AM PDT by NWFLConservative (The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government......Tommy J)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sweet ...Keep em flying....We make F-4 parts here!


3 posted on 03/16/2011 7:01:03 AM PDT by Currentriverrat (Stop cap and trade fraud.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Got to see the modern Luftwaffe fling one of their F-4Fs around at an air show in Ohio (yes, they flew it from Germany to Dayton to show off at an airshow) about 12 years ago. I still maintain, after seeing it perform, that a Phantom II is the loudest airplane ever in terms of decibels-per-ton. B-1s and the Concorde are louder in terms of raw sound, but something about the Phantom (the older engines I guess) seem to make it even louder than an F-15. A pair of J79s on full afterburner 500 feet over your head will damn sure wake you up.

}:-)4


4 posted on 03/16/2011 7:02:15 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: NWFLConservative

... or a “Rhino”. Isn’t that what some Phantom flyers called their mounts?


5 posted on 03/16/2011 7:18:35 AM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: Moose4

You should try having one fly over head at about 50 feet.It’s deafening,Not to forget scary as hell.

In 1977 I was based at Patrick AFB in Cocoa Beach Florida.I was driving south bound on rt.A1A and as I neared the runway approach a Phantom flew over my vehicle and scared the stuffing out of me.That plane was unbelievably loud.


6 posted on 03/16/2011 7:22:25 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The F-4F is still on active duty with German Luftwaffe until 2012.
7 posted on 03/16/2011 7:35:23 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Make that 12 ME-109s and you got a deal. Wonder what they would bring on today’s obsolete plane market?


8 posted on 03/16/2011 7:53:10 AM PDT by Larry381 (Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare)
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To: Moose4

During 1972 Easter Offensive in Vietnam, F-4 pairs did night afterburner takeoffs from the nearby air base. The ground shook when the burners cut in with a huge flame trail. The noise continued until the pair was a mile after takeoff then all was quiet. Sleep impossible, might as well watch.

We were Huey pilots and grateful for the close air support. I asked a F-4 driver how the aircraft actually flew and he couldn’t answer except there was so much horsepower it didn’t matter how small the wing area was.


9 posted on 03/16/2011 8:02:01 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("All gave some. Some gave all.")
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To: elcid1970

“F-4 pairs did night afterburner takeoffs from the nearby air base.”

Used to watch that from the other side of the ramp in Terre Haute, all the time. Fun to watch.


10 posted on 03/16/2011 8:04:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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To: puppypusher

I was in my final week of AOCS at NAS Pensacola in April of 1971 practicing sword drill for graduation parade when the Blue Angels flew over our formation in their formation of Navy Blue and Gold Phantoms at low, low level. Totally awesome, what a sight and sound. SSgt Watkins said we could watch but it would cost us all 100 push-ups. Totally worth it!


11 posted on 03/16/2011 8:21:10 AM PDT by Nakota
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To: elcid1970

F4 Phantom....physical proof that if you put big enough engines in a brick it will fly


12 posted on 03/16/2011 8:28:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Can't offer unless the US approves, as that would be a “third-party transfer.”

Under the terms and conditions of the LOA, before any country can engage in a third-party transfer, that country must have approval from the US and the US has a process to do that, too include congressional notification.

13 posted on 03/16/2011 10:27:29 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: puppypusher
"You should try having one fly over head at about 50 feet.It’s deafening,Not to forget scary as hell...."

As a child I lived in El Toro, very close to the El Toro Marine Base, in Southern California.

:I do not know how old I was, but I must have been young because I was at my babysitter's house.

An F-4 flew super low over our neighborhood, and we actually dived for cover as if in an old war movie. I had grass stains all over my frontside (and got in trouble with mom), but my friend had grass stains PLUS urine stains!

14 posted on 03/16/2011 11:56:27 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How old does a plane have to be before it ceases to be ‘ageing’ and becomes ‘aged’?


15 posted on 03/16/2011 12:05:00 PM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Winniesboy

Greeting from Croatia!

There it was a lot of comments here in various forums about that gentle offer from our big brothers (as Croats and Germans share a “special relationship” similar to the one between UK and you).

To sum all of them in one it was something like: Ahahahahahah!

It is a complete absurdity: 13tons heavy figthers,with two thirsy J-79 engines each and with the necessity of a crew of two?

20 of them? How nice: so we will name each of them after the name of each one of the counties of our 4 and an half million people’s country.

So, let’s summarize: we have to keep them 5-7 years, buy spare part from you and obviously take two years time to teach 20 pilots and and expecially 20 WSO, a role that never existed neither in our air force nor in the one of old Jugoslavija only to fire them after that period and maybe be obliged to buy your eurofighters after this ?

DANKE dear, but there will be another occasion to honour our unending friendship.

Well, maybe you can donate instead some of the Leopard, Marder, FH-70 you are going to retire folloving your army profesionalization, so with money spared we will buy the light fighters (gripen, mirage 2000, fa-50 golden eagle not so much types really) that fit our specifics instead.


16 posted on 03/16/2011 8:58:09 PM PDT by Marcellogo
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To: Marcellogo
The German F-4F ICE (Improved Combat Efficiency) isn't that outdated as you may think. Hughes-APG-65-Radar like F/A-18, AGM-65-Maverick and AIM-120-AMRAAM.

The 20 WSO can fly some drones after Croatia can afford 12 modern fighters.

17 posted on 03/17/2011 11:05:37 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: Moose4

“Got to see the modern Luftwaffe fling one of their F-4Fs around at an air show in Ohio (yes, they flew it from Germany to Dayton to show off at an airshow) about 12 years ago.”

They did not fly’em in from germany they had those based in goosebay canada for training. They got’em relocated to Holloman AFB,NM about 10 years ago.
P.s. The germans have some nice names for the F-4:
- Air Defence Diesel
- Oil oven


18 posted on 03/25/2011 9:51:44 AM PDT by buzzer
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