Posted on 03/15/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by SE Mom
When they can get responsible people in place and stay with the programs without the corruption then I’ll have sympathy..until them Lousianna is a cesspool of thugary and corruption and the public likes it that way, many backdoor deals fill many pockets there. If the blame game goes anyplace it’s on the leadership there...they voted for Negan knowing fully well he’s a crook.
See radiation hormesis.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2926/is-exposure-to-small-amounts-of-radiation-beneficial
Radium water tonics and such were sold in the 1920s as cures for all manner of ailments but were dismissed as quackery. A few researchers began to take another look in the 1970s, but only in the last decade or so has the idea of radiation hormesis begun to attract wide attention. For example, a 2004 study claimed more than 10,000 Taiwanese accidentally exposed for a decade or more to radioactive recycled steel used in building construction showed much lower than expected rates of cancer and congenital heart defects. The cancer rate, for example, was 3.5 cases per 100,000, compared to a normal 116 — this despite the fact that they'd gotten a pretty stiff dose of radiation, more than 1,000 times normal. A follow-up study clarified that while cancer risk declined overall, incidence of leukemia, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and thyroid cancer went up.
The question here is: The govt ordered these people to stay in their homes 3 days ago. When exactly is it going to tell them that they can come out? And when they do, are they going to be exposed to even stronger radiation?
Yeah, that sounded like a bad call to me too as soon as I heard it. Maybe that is partly why Jaczko shot his mouth off to Congress on Wednesday about the 50 mile advisory limit for US citizens, sounds like a better idea than getting trapped at home for an indefinite time while an unresolved crisis potentially escalates. I think a lot of the local Japanese caught that one too...
It looks like more "save face" and holding back an even more widespread panic. I have no clue how many people this is but where would they go? CNN is say there's 318,000 (?) in shelters. To get an idea, that's the population of cities like Honolulu, Colorado Springs, Tulsa, Arlington (TX), or Minneapolis. Me, I'd have given the government a one finger salute and gotten outta Dodge at the first sign of reactor problems (not that I'd have been living that close in the first place).
But I have to question your statement that these people are competent. If they were competent, they would have found a way to bring either electricity to the site to power up these cooling systems for a few days til the mains came back on or even brought in external pumps to keep everything on an even keel. Every ship in existence has pumps to circulate water. How do the coolant systems on subs work? Surely they have to be pumping water the same as the Nuke plant does.
Then there's this:
The boss of the company behind the devastated Japanese nuclear reactor today broke down in tears - as his country finally acknowledged the radiation spewing from the over-heating reactors and fuel rods was enough to kill some citizens
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367684/Nuclear-plant-chief-weeps-Japanese-finally-admit-radiation-leak-kill-people.html#ixzz1GyaRMqAV
Enough to kill some citizens. This is why I hear so many times it refered to as "high radiation", no numbers unless it's under a certain threshold, just "high radiation" if it's above that threshold.
These people may not be incompetent, but they're certainly stupid.
I think a lot of the local Japanese caught that one too...
How'd that mayor put it? They're giving us no information. We feel that they've just left us to die.
What a fuster cluck.
The people in the trenches, as usual, are bearing the brunt of the fire, and the casualties. The generals are sitting on the hills, watching the battle they helped start, passing gas through their wafflebottom chairs.
Where did you find the map?
Do you have a link to it?
If you're talking about the radiation map, just click on it and it should take you to their site - let me know if it doesn't.
At the site is other maps, including one for Japan. No contributors to it yet however.
Widespread panic is a valid concern. For example, how many people will succumb to violent iodine allergy as a result of taking iodine pills unnecessarily?
Somewhere, perhaps on this thread, I read that the Japanese had designed emergency response tailored appropriately to the crisis at hand, not too little warning, not too much warning, to avoid excess panic. They have to in these situations because Japan is so densely populated, and is narrow, so there is a lot of potential to create bottlenecks with mass evacuations. I suspect Kan was cussing out the TEPCO people Monday because he was tired of the government making the wrong announcements based on TEPCO's overly optimistic assessments, and being proven wrong later.
I Me, I'd have given the government a one finger salute and gotten outta Dodge at the first sign of reactor problems...
Given what I knew from the beginning of all this... me too!! :-( :-)
You're so right about that. That's why people need to educate themselves. It's only effective if you're under 40 in most cases, and you shouldn't take it longer than ten days. Then what do you do?
The best protection is to limit exposure. Information on how to do that, is readily available.
Yah, I gotta go with ya here. They ought to be made to live in that disaster area they created, for the rest of their very short lives. They should be charged with crimes against humanity. Lots of people are going to die because of their actions.
Maybe you're right and I shouldn't consider them incompetent. It might be more of a matter of cultural conditioning.
I keep hearing people glowing about there being no looting and everybody marching in the same direction. But that's got its downside as well. I may be wrong, but Japanese society seems to be very regimented to me. From birth they're encouraged to think like everyone else, go with the flow, don't go against the crowd. No out-of-the-box thinking allowed. No parallel thinking either.
Maybe I'm just conceited, but I think that an American team would have figured out a way to restore power to those pumps or brought in new pumps and not let it spiral out of control like this from the git-go.
I get the impression that they're like a super-sized China economically speaking. They can take something and cut the costs of it, but innovative thoughts to invent the things? Computer chips? someone else invented them. Ditto lasers. Ditto autos. Ditto robots. Ditto nuke power.
I dunno
Some docs will give scripts for stocking up, others won’t. We found one that would, and he gave us script for a few extra inhalers, some extra antibiotics and such.
Most times you have to pay out of pocket for them, though, and that can get expensive.
Good thread here
Fukushima one week on: Situation ‘stable’, says IAEA | Shameful media panic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2690917/posts
(kudos to brityank)
Another good thread on rescue operations here
LIVE THREAD...Japan RESCUE operations Information...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2690500/posts
(kudos to goodnesswins)
ping and thanks
Schweinfurt redux...
lol. Indeed
If there is any TEPCO management complicity in any loss of life (I think two workers were killed in the second explosion already), then I would not want to be in their shoes now. They probably would not go to the front lines, though, I would guess. The traditional remedy for that in Japan is seppuku...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku
That seems too easy for them IMHO
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