Posted on 02/28/2011 9:26:48 AM PST by ironwill
What part of “Thou shalt not bear false witness” are you rolling your eyes at?
Gay people are always free to come to church.
However, the meme nowadays is that people have to APPROVE of what you do, or it is considered that they hate you personally. That is a tyranny, adopted by secular-progressives to try and control your thoughts.
If you tell them you do not approve, they start screaming that you hate them and their fury is irrational.
I cant fault that.. The Jewish model of church organization is flawed.. Since it failed miserably several times.. Not to speak that is was not according to God plans.. but in spite of them..
You gave an answer that had nothing to do with the present situation. You are throwing stones at her.
Jeanne is welcome to sit in the chairs with all the rest of us liars, adulterers, drug addicts, tax cheats, thieves and hypocrites.
Interesting phrasing: "sit in the chairs." She hadn't been sitting in the chairs before ... Does that mean she really was asked to stop doing something else?
The article says that the paster says she is lying, so either he is or she is. Right?
This is true ;-)
Heroic guard says New Life church rejected her for being gay
Jeanne Assam said that she had accepted her sexual identity after a long struggle but that church officials had pushed her away.
Tithing can be in time, effort, or some other sacrifice..
It is about sacrifice for and to others.. (Golden Rule)..
even forgiveness and/or gratitude is a form of sacrifice..
The sacrifice should be willingly and not under duress..
even an honor and privilege to make it.. a double blessing..
1st to the recipient and 2nd to the giver.. God needs nothing from you..
If she was asked to leave because of her sexual lifestyle, then this is right.
No shame at all. Neither would a church allow a practicing thief, nor child molestor. Homosexuality, the practice thereof, persons that practice it should not be allowed within the body of a church.
Ours would welcome a homosexual, and the evils of that homosexuality would be preached hard. Either repentance would occur, or the person would leave.
If she is unrepentant, then she goes. Sin should not be tolerated or allowed in a church.
Agreed. See post 27 please.
I see. So, since we are all, indeed, ‘sinners’, then anything goes, right?
Not necessarily either/or.
Note, first off, that this report is from a local opinion writer -- I suppose one would call him an "advocacy columnist." So we first have to account for Mr. Noreen's fingers in the story, and the fact that he has his own slant on it.
Beyond that, there's a big gap between the two stories, and here's what I think it probably is.
I think Assam is being truthful when she says she told the church leadership about being a lesbian. And I think they responded by telling her that, although she was welcome to continue worshiping with them, her sexual orientation disqualified her from being a security guard -- and Assam took that obvious demotion as a signal that she was no longer welcome. And I think she stretched the truth a bit, though I do think the situation made it impossible for her to stay there.
As for Boyd, I think he is likely telling the truth when he says she's welcome to "sit in the chairs," but I also think he left out a few of the other details.
There's more to the story, I think -- both sides are spinning it to some extent.
That's so broad-minded of you.
You must feel very self-satisfied.
Guard who shot Colorado gunman had been fired from Mpls. force
"She is a fairly new believer in Christ," Boyd said of Assam and her background in Minneapolis. "If you go back in any of our pasts, you can dig up something on any of us. She admittedly made lots of bad decisions, but only in the past few months did she become a devoted follower of Christ. Her life has changed. She was let go, but that happens every day to good people."
Compare that with her telling them recently that she has decided to accept her homosexual tendencies.
No I am not, you asked a question, I answered it. Your subtle attempts of accusing me of casting stones are not so subtle. I shot your argument down and now you are smearing me as a sin sniffer. I never brought it up (her lying), you asked for an example, I gave it, which you now dismiss as old or not relevant which is a dodge. Nice try r9etb, keep digging, maybe you'll hit something. But I am done debating you. You make accusations which you cannot back up and then cast aspersions on your debating opponent. Maybe r9etb, just maybe, you shouldn't be so judgmental...
Tithing was aprt of the Law. Jesus said that He did not come to abolish that Law, that it wouldn’t change one tittle.
While we will NOT be judged under the Law, the Law is still there. The OT is not just something to read and yet ignore. Tithing is in the Bible for a reason. Tithing was for the Levites doing Gods work. Your Pastor, your church (hopefully) does Gods work. Tithe to it. Tithe to God.
The terminology is misleading, and terms must be defined before we can go further.
If she told the church that she is "gay" in the sense that she is struggling with same sex attraction, then any church worthy of the name of Christ is a debtor obligated to help her in her struggle. But we all know that that is not the meaning of "gay."
We learn her real meaning by the fact that she was later a speaker at the city's "Pride Center." So, she is an unrepentant militant, intent on calling her sin NOT sin, and flaunting it before the altar.
Yes, expelling her was the biblical thing to do.
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