Posted on 02/24/2011 9:27:43 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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The New York Times reports that an FBI hostage-rescue negotiator aboard the U.S.S. Sterett came to believe the two Somalis were not serious when they boarded the vessel. Once those men were taken into custody, U.S. officials told the pirates on the yacht -- called the Quest -- to send over someone they could negotiate with.
The events that immediately followed have been sharply contested and raises questions about the decision to detain the pirate leaders, the Times reports.
American officials said the pirates on the yacht seemed relieved — even “exceptionally calm” — when they were told their senior commander was cooling his heels in a Navy brig.
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At the Virginia ratification debate Patrick Henry spoke on “due process” for terrorists:
“He was an enemy to the human name. Those who declare war against the human race may be struck out of existence as soon as they are apprehended. He was not executed according to those beautiful legal ceremonies which are pointed out by the laws in criminal cases. The enormity of his crimes did not entitle him to it. I am truly a friend to legal forms and methods; but, sir, the occasion warranted the measure.
A pirate, an outlaw, or a common enemy to all mankind, may be put to death at any time. It is justified by the laws of nature and nations. “
I did not know the FBI is now an international police force. Nice to know /sarc Clinton and his fools started a lot of this, IMO, but Obama takes everything to a whole new level. We should just say that we will kill pirates no matter what, even if the hostages die. Then, what would be the point of kidnapping them?
Why don’t we put a bunch of Navy Seals on boats that look like easy targets and send them into that area? They could draw the pirates in and blow them out of the water.
If Obama’s to blame - then he needs to say how he will fix it for the next time.
If FBI’s to blame - then they need to say how they will do differently for the next time.
If pirates are to be blamed - well, .... how will they do it next time...
Because it will be a next time...Somebody better fix this...
Bringing the FBI to the indian ocean makes a much sense as calling a navy officer to a bank heist. They are no good,,, furthermore, they’ll turn on their host and prosecute them if they feel the need. Useless,,,
That says it all, typical anti-U.S. bias from the press. Those poor little pirates./sarcasm
Anchors are MUCH more costly than bullets! But the rope is pretty cheap- and reusable! Hang 'em.
Anchors are MUCH more costly than bullets! But the rope is pretty cheap- and reusable! Hang 'em.
Bingo.
I fully agree that the military of every branch generally has a screwed-up ROE that is preventing true victory. I believe my point is corollary to a screwed-up ROE by having FBI involved and compounded by DOD lawyers using the ROE as a cudgel over military commanders. A properly employed military force that is given mission-type orders (”Bad guys! Sic-em!”) will achieve results. Best example: SOF in early Afghanistan engagements.
The FBI is not an international police force, but the FBI does have agents stationed in dozens, perhaps more than a 100 countries. Over 50 of our embassies has an FBI legal attaché office, staffed with at least one FBI agent. We have agents embedded with dozens of allied police organizations, and those agents work on police investigations that deal either directly with American citizen victims and/or criminals, or crimes against American-owned interests abroad.
The FBI is not a global police force, but it is an American federal police force with a global footprint.
Throw them overboard “Sharks have to eat too!”.; to paraphrase Josie Wales.
Sure it does. The UN Navy does not have assets trained to deal with hostage negotiation. That is a the job of a federal law enforcement agency. If not the FBI, then it would likely fall to NCIS.
Whether it's kidnapping for ransom in Columbia, stagecoach robberies on the great American frontier, or piracy on the Indian ocean, those crimes are all perpetrated by criminals, not people with a political agenda.
Might be useful to expand your horizons a bit and start doing a little due dilligence before spouting off with such inanities.
It has LONG been known that the Pirates in Somalia are either Islamic Jihadists themselves or supporters thereto.
See: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31458
“Mission-type orders”
Like: “Sweep the seas for England!”
There have been pirates since there has been commercial maritime activity. Contrary to apparent popular opinion, our "pirate problem" has never gone away. Piracy has existed, and continued to exist LONG after the Barbary Wars, even in those very same waters.
I don't think you realize what the size of the body of water we're talking about is. The pirates operate far beyond literal waters, extending their reach to an area that far surpasses the size of the United States. Our Navy is just not that big.
No one is saying that pirates shouldn't be dealt with harshly, but to opine that we're going to sacrifice the hostages in the name of the greater good, is farcical. Pirates are criminals. There is a role for us federal police agencies, like the FBI hear, especially when there's an active-hostage crisis.
I think the British used a similiar technique against the U-Boats in WWI. They were called Q-Boats. They were freighters with hidden guns that blew away German subs on the surface.
Oh wow, you read that on blog, no less. I spent 25-years in navy law enforcement. My "horizons" are expanded just fine. Thanks anyways.
I don't care what god the Somali Pirates pray to, just like I don't care what god the Colombian drug lords, or wild west bandits prayed to. They, like the pirates, are engaging in a purely for-profit criminal enterprise.
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