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Will Pirates Who Allegedly Killed Americans Be Prosecuted In U.S.? And If So, Where?
Fox News ^ | 2/22/2011 | Mike Levine

Posted on 02/23/2011 7:48:29 AM PST by Qbert

The fate of the Somali pirates who allegedly killed four Americans off the coast of Somalia has yet to be determined, but the U.S. Justice Department says it is "investigating and reviewing" evidence in the case and is "committed to working with our international partners to ensure that the perpetrators of this heinous crime are brought to justice."

The four Americans were on a yacht in the waters off the Horn of Africa when their vessel was hijacked Friday. U.S. forces were following the hijacked yacht when on Tuesday at least some of the hijackers opened fire. The hostages -- Scott and Jean Adam of California, and Phyllis Macay and Bob Riggle of Seattle -- had suffered fatal wounds.

If the U.S. government decides to handle this case in the same way it has handled other recent cases of Somali pirates targeting U.S. ships, the 15 surviving Somalis currently aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier near the Horn of Africa will soon be heading for a U.S. courtroom.

The United States may not have many other options. In early 2009, Kenya and several Western countries entered into an agreement whereby Kenya would prosecute pirates captured by Western forces. But Kenya became overwhelmed by the volume of cases, and in late 2010 Kenya canceled the agreement, according to reports at the time.

Should the Justice Department, along with other U.S. authorities, decide to prosecute the 15 pirates in the United States, one of four U.S. attorneys' offices around the country could end up with the case: the Southern District of New York, the Eastern District of Virginia, the Western District of Washington or the Central District of California.

Asked whether those districts are in fact in the mix, a Justice Department spokesman declined to answer, saying he is "not going to speculate...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ericholder; justicedepartment; pirates; scottadam; somalia; somalipirates
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1 posted on 02/23/2011 7:48:33 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

How about my back yard


2 posted on 02/23/2011 7:49:08 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom!!! <sarc>)
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To: Qbert

I can’t believe they will be *prosecuted* in the DOJ.

I can, however, believe they will be given *jobs* in the DOJ’s civil rights enforcement division.


3 posted on 02/23/2011 7:51:38 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Qbert
...the 15 surviving Somalis currently aboard a U.S. aircraft carrier near the Horn of Africa...

Two words:

Steam Catapults

4 posted on 02/23/2011 7:53:36 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Qbert
We can not even deal with pirates anymore. The Romans, The English in the age of sail, the US in the age of sail, all would have dealt with this quickly by killing the pirates. God we have become stupid.
5 posted on 02/23/2011 7:53:50 AM PST by don'tbedenied
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To: Qbert

Justice from this DOJ? I’ll believe it when I see it.


6 posted on 02/23/2011 7:54:44 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert

WTF? Prosecuted?! These SOBs should not even be ALIVE!


7 posted on 02/23/2011 7:54:57 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Qbert

They should all be passing through sharks’ digestive systems right about now.


8 posted on 02/23/2011 7:55:13 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Qbert

Why don’t we go back to the “old” way of dealing with pirates? Summary trial at sea by the ship’s Captain.


9 posted on 02/23/2011 7:55:27 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Qbert

If it were up to me, I would take our military and bomb selected targets on the Somali coast - i.e. any ship in port that could be utilized by pirates should be destoryed. Wouldn’t that solve the Somali pirate problem? Wouldn’t the world be a much better, safer place?


10 posted on 02/23/2011 7:56:18 AM PST by ransacked
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To: Qbert

African Muslims killed 4 white Christians. I think we all know how Obama’s DOJ will deal with this.


11 posted on 02/23/2011 7:57:04 AM PST by hometoroost (From Hope and Change to Gropin' Some Strange)
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To: Qbert
be nice if the russians caught them instead: video link
12 posted on 02/23/2011 7:58:01 AM PST by jjw
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To: don'tbedenied
you said it. and what about the seaside town they cam from? why is that still standing?

they should be taken to the center of that town and hung, and everyone told the next time a boat leaves this place to hijack we are coming back and kill everyone and destroy everything here. one warning.

contrast that with what we actually do. send them money when they hijack.

like you said:

God we have become stupid.

13 posted on 02/23/2011 7:58:01 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: don'tbedenied

It’s really scary how many people have become numbed to this.


14 posted on 02/23/2011 7:58:51 AM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: ransacked
I like your plan, a sort of "Shores of Tripoli, Act II". Pirates are and should be kill on sight for any and all.
15 posted on 02/23/2011 7:59:08 AM PST by katana
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To: Qbert

The trial should be held in Davey Jones’ Locker. We should be killing every pirate we find and shelling the Somalian coast back into the Stone Age (which is only a decade or so ago there).


16 posted on 02/23/2011 7:59:08 AM PST by Azeem (The world will look up and shout "Save us!"... And I'll whisper "No.")
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To: don'tbedenied

We previously went to war over pirates seizing American ships.


17 posted on 02/23/2011 8:00:17 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Qbert
...U.S. Justice Department says it is "investigating and reviewing"

I pray/hope Putin and the Russian navy will take the pirates for a boat ride - then let them paddle home...

18 posted on 02/23/2011 8:01:02 AM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: Qbert; bvw; NFHale; justice14; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; Squantos; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; ...

Hey, here’s another one.

You think the soldiers properly read these Pirates their rights? If not anything they admit will be thrown out of court. And did they have a proper search warrant? You think we will pay for their lawyers as taxpayers?


19 posted on 02/23/2011 8:01:02 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Qbert

Texas.


20 posted on 02/23/2011 8:01:16 AM PST by Seruzawa (What's Democrat's legacy? Almost 1/2 million dead US soldiers and collapsed cities.)
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To: Qbert

I have a $15 solution to the problem, assuming $1 per bullet.


21 posted on 02/23/2011 8:02:04 AM PST by twhitak
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To: ransacked
If it were up to me, I would take our military and bomb selected targets on the Somali coast - i.e. any ship in port that could be utilized by pirates should be destoryed. Wouldn’t that solve the Somali pirate problem? Wouldn’t the world be a much better, safer place?

That's a good idea. I would add armed drones firing on boats with armed occupants in the open sea.

22 posted on 02/23/2011 8:03:02 AM PST by thethirddegree (Islam is a vile, barbaric, perverted, depraved,seditious cult invented by a murdering pedophile)
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To: beebuster2000

The law, American and international, says Pirates must be tried by an admiralty court.

In America that is a Federal District Court


23 posted on 02/23/2011 8:03:02 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Qbert

Why is it that I prefer that they NOT be prosecuted in the USA? It is because it will take years, cost millions, and in the end, the criminals will not receive the justice they deserve?


24 posted on 02/23/2011 8:04:31 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Qbert
The fate of the Somali pirates who allegedly killed...

What's up with the use of the word "allegedly?"

Why apply a United States 5th Amendment concept of innocent until proven guilty to a crime committed in international waters off the coast of Somalia? Are we going to read these pirates their Miranda rights, too? Here's an idea, they don't get Miranda rights, or any other United States Constitutional protections because they are not in the United States, the crime was not committed in the United States, and they are not United States residents.

-PJ

25 posted on 02/23/2011 8:04:53 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (In a democracy, you negotiate from the floor of the legislature, not from hideouts and bullhorns.)
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To: Qbert

If we don’t have the stones to see justice done, why not let the Russian navy? They could probably use a good target sled.


26 posted on 02/23/2011 8:05:16 AM PST by skeeter
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To: hometoroost

“African Muslims killed 4 white Christians. I think we all know how Obama’s DOJ will deal with this.”

Yep.

Has Hussein Obama even said anything about this?


27 posted on 02/23/2011 8:05:36 AM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert

Feed ‘em to the sharks.


28 posted on 02/23/2011 8:05:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Qbert

I can’t believe they are still breathing, put them in a pile of red ants, find the homebase and bomb the hell out of it..


29 posted on 02/23/2011 8:06:37 AM PST by aces
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I think we’re supposed to be liberal towards the pirates, and give them all the rights of American citizens in our justice system. It’s like the concept of piracy on the high seas has gone out the window. Instead, these guys will demand their day in a U.S. court, with their ACLU affiliated attorneys giving them their defense.


30 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:00 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: beebuster2000

It’s amazing the crap we tolerate these days.


31 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: twhitak

Oh, way less than that. Depending on where you shop you can pick up 5.56 FMJ ammo for about 6 bucks for a box of 20. Buy 2 boxes and shoot the motherf*ckers twice for that price.


32 posted on 02/23/2011 8:08:02 AM PST by technically right
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To: Qbert

Those not killed should be hanged from the yard arm, on the spot.


33 posted on 02/23/2011 8:08:59 AM PST by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: jjw

That made my day thanks, and we have to take them to Court we are totally screwed up.


34 posted on 02/23/2011 8:09:52 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Qbert

Generally, they could be tried in a number of US federal district courts. If their vessel was American flagged (and I believe it was), it would be likely that they would be tried closest to the homeport of the vessel’s registration.


35 posted on 02/23/2011 8:10:37 AM PST by OldDeckHand (So long as we have SEIU, who needs al-Qaeda?)
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To: Qbert

On the bright side, it is not a “hate crime.”


36 posted on 02/23/2011 8:11:00 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Political Junkie Too

“Why apply a United States 5th Amendment concept of innocent until proven guilty to a crime committed in international waters off the coast of Somalia? Are we going to read these pirates their Miranda rights, too? Here’s an idea, they don’t get Miranda rights, or any other United States Constitutional protections because they are not in the United States, the crime was not committed in the United States, and they are not United States residents.”

—Agree. And if the Libs’ idea is that applying these legal concepts to cases like this somehow shows “more justice” to the world (unlike the old way of doing things)... well, it sure isn’t helping reduce terrorism and killings.

“What’s up with the use of the word “allegedly?”

—You’re innocent until proven guilty by the Left. Unless you’re a “Teabagger” or Sarah Palin...


37 posted on 02/23/2011 8:12:08 AM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert
Prosecuted?....Hah!....Executed!
38 posted on 02/23/2011 8:13:20 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: dfwgator
Rush details in his AM spot the Americans being killed/held abroad currently.

His point being no one respects this administration - poking the big guy in the eye is a low-risk preoccupation these days.

39 posted on 02/23/2011 8:15:40 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Catch and release...


40 posted on 02/23/2011 8:17:29 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 764 of our national holiday from reality. - It's almost 3 AM)
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To: Qbert

I read yesterday that they currently hold 600 hostages and 30 ships - but it doesn’t make the news here because it involves other countries, and teachers pay is so much more important.


41 posted on 02/23/2011 8:18:41 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Qbert

They should never have made it back to shore. These are pirates and murderers. Not “alleged.” They were caught on a hijacked boat in international waters. With murdered civilians on board.

Plain and simple. They’re murdering pirates, and should have been put overboard and left to drown.

Mark


42 posted on 02/23/2011 8:19:16 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Mr. Mojo
They should all be passing through sharks’ digestive systems right about now.

But in 100 years, the descendants of Major Owens would say that there would still be sharks in those waters looking for another free meal.

Mark

43 posted on 02/23/2011 8:21:20 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: al baby

I just got my jury duty summons yesterday....if they can expedite things for the week of March 21 over in Indio, I’ll - for once - be eager to show up and hope to get empaneled.


44 posted on 02/23/2011 8:22:44 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: MarkL

Exactly. I mean, how much more of this are we supposed to take?


45 posted on 02/23/2011 8:26:45 AM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert
I wish I remember where I read that most of the Somali pirates who were captured are extremely young, some still in their teens.

The story is that extreme poverty in their country lures uneducated Somali yutes into signing on into the piracy business, including volunteers as young as 13 or 14.

Whether this is correct or not in this particular piracy case, capital punishment for a group of youths would be iffy in an American court. The bleeding hearts would have a field day.

I guess we just have to wait for more details to come out.

Leni

46 posted on 02/23/2011 8:28:41 AM PST by MinuteGal (OK, BO'R...NAME the "far-rightists" you always morally equate to the far-leftists. Name names, NOW!)
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To: Qbert

turn them over to the Russians and forget about it.


47 posted on 02/23/2011 8:28:59 AM PST by scooby321
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To: Qbert

They’ll get a slap on the hand since the District of Criminals is in love with the Muzzies.


48 posted on 02/23/2011 8:29:41 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: scooby321

Hand them over to Marcellus Wallace, with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.


49 posted on 02/23/2011 8:30:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: don'tbedenied
God we have become stupid.

It's all because of that darn "Rule of Law".

The President should have to power to have anyone (especially pirates) executed whenever and for whatever he deems necessary.

That will take care of the problem.

50 posted on 02/23/2011 8:37:58 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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