'Egypt losing control of Sinai to Beduin'

JPost ^ | 2/13/11 | YAAKOV KATZ

[Carry_Okie]

The Bedouin were there before there was a modern Egypt.

There are documents holding specific Bedouin families that region dating to the 9th Century. As you probably know, with all the BS trying to establish a "Palestinian" people, there has also been a fair bit of hereditary work performed in that area. There is mt-DNA evidence of Canaanitic bloodlines in some Bedouin families, indicating far more ancient origins. Yet what defines a nomadic people is more than blood, but lifestyle and culture that remains in one region with specific people who migrate over fair distances upon occasion, just as we see the Ya'akov and his family in Bereshit. In that respect there have been herders of similar attributes in that region for as long as we can detect human influence, the only serious cultural break of which I am aware being the introduction of Islam.

Cain is the wanderer as soon as he wrecks his soil.

BTW, I scanned your page. You might want to take a look at excerpts from my first book that deals directly with the issues of eco-thugs and anadromous fish in coastal California.

[bioqubit]

Egypt can declare the Sinai a territory and sell it to Israel. Clean deal, and it would solve a host of problems.

[PIF]

Egypt goes back thousands of years which is what I meant by “modern” Egypt. The Bedouins only go back by a mere 12 hundred years.

“Palestinian” people, aka southern Syrians, Egyptians, etc.

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Your page is interesting. There is a lot more to the story than you recount. The story needs to have the old Washington Dept of Fisheries actions added. Without that bit, much of what you recount would not have occurred, or at least much slower.

The deconstruction and destruction of commercial fisheries is not confined to salmon or the West Coast. Nor are the forces confined to one political party or the other, but both; every US President since Eisenhower has stood firmly with these forces.

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In the early days of seal research in Washington State, so called volunteer biologists would collect seal scat off log rafts during the winter - oddly enough at the same time True Cod runs were passing. Then these same “volunteers” wrote definitive pieces claiming seals ate cod and clams, never salmon. This worked to convince the public via the media that the true enemy of healthy salmon runs were evil commercial salmon fishermen.

But truth be told, all this was merely the means and method to an end. None but blind, useful idiots among them cared a wit about salmon of any flavor.

Naturally, no one listened. And as I said recently in some other post, no one listens still. I've pretty much given up beating a dead horse, but guys like G. H. Lovgren at SwedesDock and Nils Stolpe over at FishNet USA continue the good fight.

Perhaps some day, in some other time people will listen, but not today. Today it is football and islamic revolutions, tomorrow something else to distract the public.

Yesterday's two column inch B-2 Section story no one cares about or reads, becomes today's major political methodology, springing full-blown on the scene, like Aphrodite from the head of Zeus.

[Carry_Okie]

Your page is interesting. There is a lot more to the story than you recount.

The book is built around a local case to illustrate general principles; that's why it's not there. I assume you know Jim Buchal? His book, The Great Salmon Hoax, covers a lot of that story.

The deconstruction and destruction of commercial fisheries is not confined to salmon or the West Coast. Nor are the forces confined to one political party or the other, but both; every US President since Eisenhower has stood firmly with these forces.

No disagreement there. It's part of taking care of our creditors, and but one reason why the Department of State figures so heavily in fisheries "management."

None but blind, useful idiots among them cared a wit about salmon of any flavor.

Most were seeking to suckle off mommy government for fun and profit. The really bad guys like Glenn Spain and Zeke Grader are working for the UN/global corporatist food control enemy. Did you know that Tyson Foods was making donations to PCFFA?

[PIF]

Glenn Spain and Zeke Grader really hate me. I exposed them in public once - they went ballistic on me... to no effect other than make themselves look like idiots and prove my point.

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[PIF]

I assume you know Jim Buchal? His book, The Great Salmon Hoax, covers a lot of that story.

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No I do not. By the time he arrived (1991) the story was mostly over. He researched it, I lived it. He looks at salmon from an environmental and politcal perspective, I look at it from a human, Constitutional, and fishery perspective.

By staring his book in 1991, he missed most of the important stuff which took place 15-20 years prior. By then most of that was either accepted or forgotten.

His major focus is on the Columbia River and dams. The real story took place further north, in Puget Sound. The fishermen he looks at mostly were no help in the real battles, even hindering because they imagined they would be an exception...

[Verginius Rufus]

Weren’t the American soldiers killed in the plane crash in Gander, Newfoundland, in December 1985, members of a peacekeeping force stationed in the Sinai?

[Carry_Okie]

The fishermen he looks at mostly were no help in the real battles, even hindering because they imagined they would be an exception...

Then to become victims of the old divide-and-conquer strategy they didn't recognize in operation. Small organic farmers just fell afoul of that one when they shut up to the SB-510 "food safety" bill once they got an exemption. Idiots.

[1000 silverlings]

that’s right, it’s really simple, good people don’t think like evil people, it never even crosses our minds to do what they are about, day and night

[PIF]

Idiots.-— to say the least!

BTW did you get to Klamath Falls when the feds shut the gates?

[Carry_Okie]

Yep, met the turncoat agent provacateur in charge too.

[PIF]

We must have been there at or near the same time - July/August, I think. I was with a writer/editor for a small paper called the Columbia (something) ... Diana White Horse Capp who later wrote a book called Brother Against Brother: America’s New War Over Land Rights.

[Vigilanteman]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that Israel still has the Golan Heights because Syria has steadfastly refused to conclude a peace treaty. The Gaza Strip has been turned over to Palestine as has most, but not all of the West Bank. Since Hamas has abrogated the peace treaty by using these areas for launching pads for terrorist attacks, Israel would be justified in reoccupying them at anytime. A large concrete wall, however, has reduced the number of attacks from what they once were. Nonetheless, the wall alone does little or nothing to prevent artillery, missile, RPG attacks and the like.

During the 1973 war, the Israeli army also occupied the west bank of the Suez Canal. Should Egypt abrogate the peace treaty, as now seems likely, not only the Sinai but the west bank of the Suez Canal would be subject to forfeit if Israel can reconquer it.

[Carry_Okie]

Perhaps you remember this.

[Errant]

Israel still controls a large portion of the Golan. Some time back, they gave up an addition small percentage. I believe it was about a five mile strip which became a DMZ.

I don't think Israel would ever give up all of the Golan due to primarily a tactical disadvantage of losing the high ground. The Golan is also a valuable source of water and farm land. For Israel to give it up, it would require an extraordinarily advantageous peace treaty.

The West Bank gets its name from being on the west bank of the Jordan river (I believe) and borders Jeruselum on three sides. If Israel gives up Jerusalem, God isn't going to be happy.

The Sinai borders the Suez in its entirety. Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, after capturing it in 1973, as incentive for Egypt to agree to the terms of the 1979 Camp David Peace Accords.

Egyptian president Anwar Sadat at the time, was later assassinated (some say) by the Muslim Brotherhood. Mubarak then became the leader of Egypt until his recent ouster.

[Vigilanteman]

As you can see by the map above, Israel was well on its way to cutting off and isolating the Egyptian army on the east side of the Suez Canal. This was made possible by a daring crossing of the Gulf of Suez on the south end and a rapid advance northward of the Israeli army.

Had the UN not stepped in to bring about a cease fire and effectively restore the status quo from the end of the Six Day War, it is likely the Israeli army would have controlled both side of the Suez Canal for its entire length. In such case, Israel would have likely guaranteed safe repatriation of the isolated Egyptian army on the east side of the Suez in return for territorial control over the west side of the Suez.

The UN intervened, of course, to prevent just such an outcome.

[Errant]

This was made possible by a daring crossing of the Gulf of Suez on the south end and a rapid advance northward of the Israeli army.

I had forgotten that bit of history. Thanks for mentioning it! Nice map.

Any idea where Israel could evacuate its city populations to?

[PIF]

No sorry, that was before my FR days. I had very little time to surf the web in those days.

[Vigilanteman]

Sorry, my memory wasn't perfect. The initial Israeli army crossing was not at the south end by the Gulf of Suez. It was at the north end of Great Bitter Lake near the south end of the Suez Canal. I was in high school at the time with a keen interest in military history and operations.

Realistically, I don't think Israel could evacuate more than a small share of its urban population to the desert. The infrastructure just isn't there. But I could be wrong.