Posted on 02/04/2011 6:04:27 PM PST by MamaDearest
Example: There is no cultural or race issue with Latinos as you try to create. There is no correlation between the issue Germany faces with Islam and the US with Latinos. Latinos are Catholic and their culture is similar and compatible with Western ideas, Islam isn't. Even the language Spanish is a Latin based languages with the same alphabet etc. The real problem with the US southern border is that bad guys could come across it, that diseases like TB are coming across the border, that crime is spilling over...... but these issues are simply like the open border with Poland where Germans even spoke of “Heute gestollen, morgen in Polen.” While there are all sorts of issues, there is no real cultural threat. Latinos in the US don't send their girls back home to be “honor killed” as you have going on in Germany, and no one even cares or talks about. It could be any race, or any other religion or nationality for that matter. Mexico is simply unstable, a drug trafficking thoroughfare, and Latin South America has TB....... but the people coming from there are no threat because of their race, religion, national origin etc.
Islam is an existential threat to Western liberal free society, the rule of law and the constitutional republics we have. No one wants to say it, but it's true. At the heart of Islam is a value and belief system completely incompatible, and as their populations grow within your Germany, your culture will be washed out, but how foreign to your own culture is that of Spain? If you look in the US military you will see many with names like Rodriguez and the walls of silver star, medal of honor, and purple heart awardees are full of them. And yes, most do assimilate, unlike the Muslim population. They might retain aspects of their culture in food, language etc., but they largely become part of the fabric of society and have unlike the Muslim population no major cultural issues integrating. Again you make an ignorant argument trying to use an exception by listing some true fringe group to make a bogus rule.........
Your culture and way of life will be eradicated because they (Muslims) do have a collective identity as a group (Germans don't; they hide behind the UN, EU, NATO or other pan European or supra national institutions), they do believe in something (Germans don't, they are moral relativists, secular, nihilists who largely would not have even fought had the communist horde invaded them in the Cold War), and they are willing to sacrifice for this goal (Germans have no fight left, they appease through various methods, may it be buying off Somali pirates, downplay, ignoring...etc. How are those negotiations with Iran going? lol).
Once the Islamic population grows, they will begin making demands, as has been the case everywhere else and creating an analogy between the Latino and Islamic population is an ignorant argument. Even “if” it were true, do two wrong make a right?
Place any other race or nation on our Southern border where anarchy rules, that is a drug thoroughfare, with crime and diseases spilling over and we would have the same problem. In a race hypersensitive America this simply is made into a racial issue be demagogue Latino leaders hoping to capitalize on this issue like all other race baiters do: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton.........
You're a sad but very typical example of the few Germans with a little bit of national pride and cultural identity.
Sure,
Group think- history has shown the Germans are good at that.
The real need is to ban Muslin MEN from wearing burkas.
It’s a pity that your animosity towards Germany leads you to such a blinkered view. It must have been a frightening time for a kid in Bader_Meinhof times growing up as an US army brat in Frankfurt!!
Your remarks about Nidal are a perfect example. it's all your rationalizations in order to justify inaction, to actually make weakness sound as if it's strength i.e. your own military will not arrest a raving lunatic mooselimb until he has butchered 14 good soldiers because he exercised his right to free speech.
Let me get you up to speed trooper! WHEN YOU JOIN THE MILITARY YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE SPEACH!!!
"he broke no laws"
Ever heard of the UCMJ? That's not civilian law! A soldier can get an article 15 for just getting a sunburn causing him to miss a formation. It's just a leettle tougher than civilian law doncha know. Uncle Sam owns your body and soul. At least that's what the DIs screamed in my ear.
I use to read your rants with interest.....you seemed to have some intelligence. However, here I've dissect your idiocy by cut & pasting your own words. Too easy meine Freund. I shall look for other German haters to duel with.
One more thing He needed medically treated and it will take time before he can stand trial and the wheels of justice will catch up. Talk about "justifying inaction!" Are we waiting for all his wounds to heal before he gets hanged? Or does his lawyer need time to build fabricate a case.....something along the lines of: his daddy made him sit in the corner too often or once he saw a picture of his mama without her Burka....OOOW OOOW I know, his Immam touched his PEE PEE once. Messed the dude up REAL bad! So killin' was the BROs only way out.
Judge says, "NOT Guilty, you poor mistreated Mooselimb baby"
Have Germans invented a Wunderwaffen Shiff that can drive along the Syrian boarder and patrol the Med too?? WOW, we really are gooood! Hey Red6 put in a request to Berlin to have one of those Wunderwaffen sent to your border W/Meecheho. We'd be glad to help out.
Your motto should be: Von so weit entfernt, spät und mit so wenig wie möglisch.
But I have no concerns over Afghanistan, you Germans are there and your such experts in peace keeping and stabilization missions unlike those cowboys that only know how to shoot things up. In Somalia, the Germans ensured they were in the North (safer area) and they did not participate in trying to remove bad actors. In Lebanon today the Germans have near zero impact. The insurgents and weapons are crossing the borders by land and the Deutsche Marine is doing nothing other than getting a tan while saying they were there- worthless.
Bottom line: The threat the entire West faces today in reality emanates from an Islamic ideology and those Muslim nations that back this ideology (Iran, Libya etc). This threat will not go away by staying within ones borders or pretending it away, and the real way of dealing with it is to go outside ones borders and deal with those leaders, the financiers, bomb builders, trainers, those providing technical know etc. The real fix is not defensive within ones borders, but offensive in the center of gravity: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Yemen. Nothing you do internally, NOTHING will long term protect you.
This is no different than the Cold War in a sense, and like then Germany trying to keep peace and stability inside her little borders is hardly going to win the fight at a macro level. The Cold War was won with a Cuban missile Crisis, Korean, Vietnam wars, intervention in Grenada, Central African Republic, Zaire, Honduras, Peru, Afghanistan and Thailand. It was fought with a spy war in Europe, and yes even terrorism was a manifestation of this conflict and it is not without reason why many of these politically left terrorist groups vaporized shortly after the wall fell, why they used East block explosives and were found in the East for the most part hiding out. Had the US built a “fortress America” sort of the way Germany tries and done little, this ideological confrontation would have guaranteed ended differently.
What is your argument? That Germany does a lot? That they volunteer and stick their neck out, ever? That the German Volk collectively sees the threat and after events like Pim Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh, Danish Cartoonists etc etc etc ask themselves if this multiculturalism is really feasible and Islam compatible with Western society? What are you saying, that Germany stood by the US with a “uneingeschränkte solidarität?” That the Germans didn't fall into the US back on Iraq? That they pushed for Georgian NATO membership to avert a Russian invasion? That the Germans are major players in Lebanon where Italy and France and others have troops on the ground, not the Germans? Are you saying that Qaddafi changed course (not that they're friends in reality, but at least they aren't shooting off missiles on Italy, bombing disko’s or airplanes) because of your German policies and military actions? Are you saying your Germans are doing something about Sudan? Or are you saying that when military action becomes unavoidable that you will volunteer and lead the way with Iran as you did in your own back yard the Balkans? Are you telling me that the Germans went to the streets to protest the torpedo attack of a South Korean ship, or that the Germans immediately committed support to a free republic, one with which they do trade?
German soldiers are needed so that the German politician and media does not play games with the mission because they are committed to the cause and are a stake holder. But they are simply decoration, checking a block that they are there. For example, had the Germans been part of the Iraq mission, the media reporting and political maneuvering would have been entirely different, and one only has to see the state run media (ARD, ZDF, HR3, DW....etc) and how they address Iraq vs. Afghanistan. Ironically it is Iraq that has the higher probability of success today despite the endless stream of doom and gloom stories, the attacking of the missions reasons.............
Your peoples arguments are always the same. Attack the legitimacy; no blood for oil, it's all about trying to hold onto the canal....... Pretend that you can solve the issues with “dialog.” Compartmentalize the greater issue, i.e. separate Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua and pretend as if these are stand alone issues not part of a greater picture in a East vs. West conflict. Rationalization of inaction through Schadenfreude.......... It's almost predictable!
Panama was so we can hold onto the canal. Afghanistan we're building a pipeline. In Somalia there were huge untapped oil reserves in the ground. The thing that amazes me is that the Germans never feel stupid when saying the same crap over and over.
Here's part of history you probably never learned: In Grenada (of course the Germans protested that war) the financier was the UdSSR, the engineers were East German which the US caught and sent back home, and the folks doing the construction were Cubans, armed and all military aged, trained and organized, although in civilian cloths. The runways was huge, large enough to bring in strategic bombers on an island with no industry and no real tourism. The government had just recently been toppled with the support of Communists from Cuba and intel from the UdSSR. And the German saw this as a isolated event in time and space, unable to draw the connection that on their East side is the same enemy. That's “intellectualism” at its finest.
Terrorism is means to an end, a tactic, it's a method and it's neither the ideology nor the enemy himself. You don't fight terrorism, you fight belief systems and people.
Your motto should be: Von so weit entfernt, spät und mit so wenig wie möglisch.
But I have no concerns over Afghanistan, you Germans are there and your such experts in peace keeping and stabilization missions unlike those cowboys that only know how to shoot things up. In Somalia, the Germans ensured they were in the North (safer area) and they did not participate in trying to remove bad actors. In Lebanon today the Germans have near zero impact. The insurgents and weapons are crossing the borders by land and the Deutsche Marine is doing nothing other than getting a tan while saying they were there- worthless.
Bottom line: The threat the entire West faces today in reality emanates from an Islamic ideology and those Muslim nations that back this ideology (Iran, Libya etc). This threat will not go away by staying within ones borders or pretending it away, and the real way of dealing with it is to go outside ones borders and deal with those leaders, the financiers, bomb builders, trainers, those providing technical know etc. The real fix is not defensive within ones borders, but offensive in the center of gravity: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Yemen. Nothing you do internally, NOTHING will long term protect you.
This is no different than the Cold War in a sense, and like then Germany trying to keep peace and stability inside her little borders is hardly going to win the fight at a macro level. The Cold War was won with a Cuban missile Crisis, Korean, Vietnam wars, intervention in Grenada, Central African Republic, Zaire, Honduras, Peru, Afghanistan and Thailand. It was fought with a spy war in Europe, and yes even terrorism was a manifestation of this conflict and it is not without reason why many of these politically left terrorist groups vaporized shortly after the wall fell, why they used East block explosives and were found in the East for the most part hiding out. Had the US built a “fortress America” sort of the way Germany tries and done little, this ideological confrontation would have guaranteed ended differently.
What is your argument? That Germany does a lot? That they volunteer and stick their neck out, ever? That the German Volk collectively sees the threat and after events like Pim Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh, Danish Cartoonists etc etc etc ask themselves if this multiculturalism is really feasible and Islam compatible with Western society? What are you saying, that Germany stood by the US with a “uneingeschränkte solidarität?” That the Germans didn't fall into the US back on Iraq? That they pushed for Georgian NATO membership to avert a Russian invasion? That the Germans are major players in Lebanon where Italy and France and others have troops on the ground, not the Germans? Are you saying that Qaddafi changed course (not that they're friends in reality, but at least they aren't shooting off missiles on Italy, bombing disko’s or airplanes) because of your German policies and military actions? Are you saying your Germans are doing something about Sudan? Or are you saying that when military action becomes unavoidable that you will volunteer and lead the way with Iran as you did in your own back yard the Balkans? Are you telling me that the Germans went to the streets to protest the torpedo attack of a South Korean ship, or that the Germans immediately committed support to a free republic, one with which they do trade?
German soldiers are needed so that the German politician and media does not play games with the mission because they are committed to the cause and are a stake holder. But they are simply decoration, checking a block that they are there. For example, had the Germans been part of the Iraq mission, the media reporting and political maneuvering would have been entirely different, and one only has to see the state run media (ARD, ZDF, HR3, DW....etc) and how they address Iraq vs. Afghanistan. Ironically it is Iraq that has the higher probability of success today despite the endless stream of doom and gloom stories, the attacking of the missions reasons.............
Your peoples arguments are always the same. Attack the legitimacy; no blood for oil, it's all about trying to hold onto the canal....... Pretend that you can solve the issues with “dialog.” Compartmentalize the greater issue, i.e. separate Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua and pretend as if these are stand alone issues not part of a greater picture in a East vs. West conflict. Rationalization of inaction through Schadenfreude.......... It's almost predictable!
Panama was so we can hold onto the canal. Afghanistan we're building a pipeline. In Somalia there were huge untapped oil reserves in the ground. The thing that amazes me is that the Germans never feel stupid when saying the same crap over and over.
Here's part of history you probably never learned: In Grenada (of course the Germans protested that war) the financier was the UdSSR, the engineers were East German which the US caught and sent back home, and the folks doing the construction were Cubans, armed and all military aged, trained and organized, although in civilian cloths. The runways was huge, large enough to bring in strategic bombers on an island with no industry and no real tourism. The government had just recently been toppled with the support of Communists from Cuba and intel from the UdSSR. And the German saw this as a isolated event in time and space, unable to draw the connection that on their East side is the same enemy. That's “intellectualism” at its finest.
Terrorism is means to an end, a tactic, it's a method and it's neither the ideology nor the enemy himself. You don't fight terrorism, you fight belief systems and people.
It's your war Ami! Deal W/it.
Bottom line: The threat the entire West faces today in reality emanates from an Islamic ideology
NO, the threat the entire West faces today is that WOOOPIE Goldbrick look alike in YOUR White House! YOU voted for him. Now he's the Albatross around the world's neck. Thanks a lot!
"ask themselves if this multiculturalism is really feasible and Islam compatible with Western society?" YES, we're asking the question......while YOU implement multiculturalism in your country and try to force it around the globe. I'm sure your New York Mayor Bloomnidiot believes "Islam is compatible with Western society. So what's yer point?
"Are you telling me that the Germans went to the streets to protest the torpedo attack of a South Korean ship"
SO, where were the protests in LA, NY, Shitcago, the BIG D!!
Just one question does your mommy know your using her computer? You could get in big trouble!
But here's the problem with the Germans- They do as little as possible, as late as possible, from as far away as possible, but they want to suck on the teat of this global economy, shipping their goods and services all over the world, using safe and open air and water ways, enjoying their regional stability (as in the Balkans), the free movement of their citizens, and use resources traded on a free global market place which they are dependent for to keep a technological and industrial economy alive (Gold, silver, cesium, oil, platinum, titanium).
By what measure do we want to evaluate the German contribution? Percent GDP spent on defense? Number of adult males as a percent of population in the armed services? Number of combat missions assumed? By what measure do we want to make a claim that Germany has EVER carried her fair share, even in the Cold War? Even in the 80s Caspar Weinberger had to prod the Germans along because they didn't do crap anywhere and were spending a meager 3% GDP on defense while other allies like the UK, France, US, Netherlands....etc. were spending 1.5 TIMES that. Germany in total spending might be larger than many because they have a larger economy than say the Netherlands, but they hardly shouldered their fair share even back then.
It can't continue. While breaking up the world order and free open markets would threaten throwing the world back into a colonial era, the truth is today you have a moocher relationship where everyone simply looks at their small narrow interests and does as little as possible for our collective interests. "Pay if you like" is the deal today, and who in their right mind wants to get a political black eye, pay the national security cost making themselves a target, economic price or blood toll by being involved? It's like a store where there is no price and the store just asks “pay what you like.” Essentially you're exactly right. It is an American problem right now because the Germans can pick and choose when, how much and what type of support they want to render, even if an ally is attacked! But EVERYONE thinks that when they are in need, there is a requirement, a moral imperative and legal / alliance requirement to help them, the Balkans are a prime example, and what did the Germans do 7 years later? The present security agreements and alliance system in reality allows for abuse, and the abusers like Germany of course are doing all they can to block any reform as was proposed years past, even before 911. Why would a freeloader want to change a very favorable arrangement? It's like asking the Sozialschmarotzer if their should be cuts on some welfare program. Only in today's agreements you literally have to get those benefiting from the status quo to agree to this change.
There is a big difference between the German right and the US right even beyond the fact that the German right is simply an economic socialist with a slight nationalist flavor and a more pro defense view. The US right will not defend an Obama, Carter or Clinton, but you will defend a Gerhard Schroeder, inaction and failure. The American right would not see our surrendering Iraq or Afghanistan in a positive light, but the German right would quickly quit. The American conservative will see Rwanda or Somalia with regret, you won't think twice about it and in fact think it's someone else's problem to deal with. The American will see a global perspective (Korea, Balkans, Middle East, Africa...etc), you won't think outside of your borders. The US would have entered a war and risked self annihilation defending Germany in the Cold War, the Germans can't be counted on for anything, anywhere, ever. The Germans can't entirely hide and do absolutely nothing as some of the smaller Euro nations because no one would allow this, not even the other larger Euro nations, but Germany does as absolutely little as possible- The Lebanon mission or Afghanistan are prime examples. Germany has not and does not shoulder her share of the load.
Ha, Ha.......take your verbose whining elsewhere. Germans don't need your freundschaft. Freundschaft WITH a cost/benefit the Brits recently found out about. Or haven't you heard. To make the arms deal W/Russia, Obama had to hand over British Nuke secrets.......THAT'S RIGHHT OBAMA SOLD THE BRITS DOWN $HIT CREEK & STOLE THEIR PADDLE.
Pityfull, just Pityfull.....and YOU still defend him!
Who on the American right defends Obama?
You don't get it. It's “you” that defends Schroeder Fischer and Co., not us that defends Obama, Carter, or Clinton. The American right does not defend inaction in Rwanda, the de-emphasising of Iraq..... The American right does not look at Vietnam sadly because we were there, they look at it with sorry because we failed to achieve our political objectives and everything that was predicted and used as argument for this intervention proved right! You're upside down, but at least you have your “Deutschland stolz” back.
Even in your own last statement you make a great example of the typical German thinking, even for those on their so called right (still socialists simply with a pro defense and more nationalist spin). “the Germans don't need our Freundschaft.” Well, not really because as soon as a German ship is hijacked you do, as soon as the Balkans fell apart you did, for 50 years in the Cold War you did, when Germans get kidnapped in Latin America you come knocking on our door......... As stated before, you and the French are a good match for each other, after all it was DeGaule that said, “Nations have no friends, only interests,” and ironically the Germans love to use that quote.
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We have got to get one of our Political Leaders to get on this. Can you believe we are no looking to the French for Leadership in protecting our way of Life?
Where is Palin on this. She should be tearing up N.O.W. on this issue.
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