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German state risks Muslim anger after becoming first in the country to ban the burka
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 4th February 2011 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 02/04/2011 6:04:27 PM PST by MamaDearest

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To: MasterGunner01

On a bright note, I think Glen Beck is doing a hell of a job educating America what these SOB’s are trying to do and his message is resonating.


21 posted on 02/04/2011 7:13:48 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: MamaDearest
Germany is at a crossroad.

You have those in denial and some that are realizing the threat. At the highest national levels, they do realize the threat and that's undeniable. While the Germans screamed about Bush they changed their immigration laws, their deportation laws (Abschieberecht) and began monitoring Mosques and keeping very close tabs on large numbers of folks they know are potentially dangerous. Likewise while they screamed about the destabilization and threat of a new arms race with missile defense, they negotiated a deal to support it within NATO as long as they too be under the shield. The Germans supported the NATO basing of Interceptor, are part of the MEADS program (cancelled now), want SM3, and they purchased a butt-load of Patriot PAC3 years back all awhile they were talking about how horrible the US is for pushing a missile defense shield.

The question is if Germany will simply ride the fence and try to insure their internal security is dealt with, or if they will venture out and deal with where the threats really come from. I doubt the later scenario and that said, all these initiatives are nothing more than drops in a bucket. They are symbolic gestures when the “masses” get uneasy because they see a changing demographic, the rising demands of Muslims who also ignore German laws and are not assymalating. They see their own cultural and societal decline on their own soil and it's women with headscarfs that are pushing the baby wagons in Germany. It's sort of like putting a band aid on a big gushing arterial wound.

22 posted on 02/04/2011 7:17:39 PM PST by Red6
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To: 23 Everest
Didn’t France already to this?

French Senate bans burka

The Senate voted 246 to 1 in favour of the bill, which has already passed in the lower chamber, the National Assembly. It will need President Nicolas Sarkozy's signature to become law.

Belgium moves towards public ban on burka and nib

The home affairs committee of the Brussels federal parliament voted unanimously to ban the partial or total covering of faces in public places.

Muslim group calls for burka ban in Canada

“The burka has absolutely no place in Canada,” said Farzana Hassan, of the Muslim Canadian Congress. “In Canada we recognize the equality of men and women. We want to recognize gender equality as an absolute. The burka marginalizes women.”

Dutch unveil the toughest face in Europe with a ban on the burka

The country’s hardline Integration Minister, Rita Verdonk, known as the Iron Lady for her series of tough anti-immigration measures, told Parliament that she was going to investigate where and when the burka should be banned. The burka, traditional clothing in some Islamic societies, covers a woman’s face and body, leaving only a strip of gauze for the eyes.

London bombing suspect fled in burka

A jury was shown surveillance footage Tuesday of bombing suspect Yassin Omar apparently dressed in a burka after the attempted attacks in London.

23 posted on 02/04/2011 7:26:13 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

Hello Germany, if you don’t take action against Islam THEY will be the ones carting your body parts off to the “showers”.


24 posted on 02/04/2011 7:26:25 PM PST by Eye of Unk (What is YOUR snipe hunt?)
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To: Red6

Yep! A day late and a dollar short is the proverbial saying.....


25 posted on 02/04/2011 7:27:56 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

Radical Islam is real Islam.


26 posted on 02/04/2011 7:36:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: MamaDearest

Agree. But WHERE ARE THE MEN?

I have often remarked that this country required a serious wake-up call from its periodic idiotic dalliances with leftist “leaders” and suggested that we needed a dedicated Marxist in the White House to rub our noses in the REAL DEAL. We got one with Obama and he may prove to be the best thing that ever happened to the cause of freedom here.

While making that suggestion, my fingers were crossed. On one hand, I feared that the majority of modern-day, government schooled folk and welfare leeches would come to embrace Marxist philosophy and practice and America — the IDEA — would come to an end. On the other hand, I held out hope that my fellow citizens would reject this alien ideology and rebel in a demonstrable way. I thank God that the latter is happening as I write this. The anger and outrage are palpable to even the hard-core leftists now infesting the White House. Barring some catastrophe — which malignant Machiavellians like Rahm “A crisis is too good to waste” Emanuel are fully capable of orchestrating — they will be shown the gate at the next election.

But what has puzzled me most through the run-up to this point (with some notable exceptions of which Georgia’s Dr. Broun and Dr. Price are but two) – is this: WHERE ARE THE PRINCIPLED MEN — REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE — WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN STANDING UP TO THIS GUY?? In order that they might avoid the tough questions inherent in governing this nation, have they shipped so much of THEIR power down Pennsylvania Avenue that they are now AFRAID to reclaim it? Why has it fallen to Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Rep. Bachmann, Glenn Beck, Rush, Boortz and a handful of others – in Washington and without — to do the job of those we elected to office – and swore an oath — to guard the Constitution from “...all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC?” They have largely been MIA!

And, while they have been missing, Obama has appointed more czars than the Russians had through their entire history. I asked Chambliss and Isakson (REPUBLICANS from Georgia) if they were just a tad worried that Obama was forming a politbureau here to replace THEM. I’m still waiting for a response that makes sense.

And one final thought as we look forward to replacing the Marxist-n-Thief come 2012: What sort of people have we elected when a small, attractive mother from Alaska named Sarah and the female governor of Arizona have BIGGER CAJONES than the alleged MEN now warming seats and wasting expensive space on that hill at the eastern end of Pennsylvania Avenue?

I’m just asking the question we all should be asking.


27 posted on 02/04/2011 7:41:25 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: MamaDearest

What Muslim anger? It’s the Religion of Peace! /sarc.


28 posted on 02/04/2011 7:57:39 PM PST by CarWashMan
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To: MamaDearest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHsn_aUmuKE

they need to press hard and NOW - as does Sarkozy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8303672/Sarkozy-immigration-plan-thrown-out-by-French-senate.html


29 posted on 02/04/2011 8:19:04 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: 23 Everest
The Glenn Beck Show = One long history lesson = the history that the past 3-4 decades of kids NEVER got in school.

It's gone a long way towards waking people up.

To think that people like Beck, Palin, Rush, Malkin - live under constant death threats! We are truly surrounded with evil - evil Godlessness. Raw evil. We must fight. We can't wait until the muslim situation/population %, is the same here as in Europe.

They are finally waking up = but is it in time?

30 posted on 02/04/2011 8:58:13 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Red6; All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0

I saved this short video to watch often - it warms the cockles of my heart.

An Austrian Parliamentarian tells of the Turkish Muslim ambassador off IN SPADES.

WE need more leaders around the world and in the U.S. to throw aside Islams stealth weapon - PC - an tell it like it is.

Enjoy!

31 posted on 02/04/2011 9:07:29 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

“Toleranzromantiker” lol


32 posted on 02/04/2011 9:49:21 PM PST by Red6
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To: maine-iac7

Thank you for posting this- it’s a keeper!


33 posted on 02/04/2011 9:57:21 PM PST by matthew fuller (My list: Bachman, Barbour, Bolton, Cain, Liz Cheney, Daniels, DeMint, Inhofe, Palin, and Pawlenty .)
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To: maine-iac7

Yes, it’s in time. He was here for a reason as you & I are.


34 posted on 02/04/2011 10:26:13 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Red6
"The question is if Germany will simply ride the fence and try to insure their internal security is dealt with, or if they will venture out and deal with where the threats really come from. I doubt the later scenario.."

Ah, the head German basher returns once again.

"they changed their immigration laws, their deportation laws (Abschieberecht) and began monitoring Mosques and keeping very close tabs on large numbers of folks they know are potentially dangerous"

Unlike some other country that has a Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan (the alleged gunman) that hasn't even been tried in a court of law.

That country has a boarder so porous, Jihad literature is regularly found on the trails illegals use to sneak into said country. I'd like to see you try sneaking by Die Grensen Polizei before the EU removed borders.

And what do have to say about a country where a few sand monkeys took down a couple of tall buildings but now have the blessing of the city's mayor to build a mosque right where those tall buildings once stood?

"and are not assymalating assimilating." Kinda like La Raza Latinos?

"It's sort of like putting a band aid on a big gushing arterial wound." Germans are some of the finest doktors in the world and the Fatherland is still secure.

However, your big gushing arterial wound resides in the White House. He's going to be there at least two more years (I fear he'll be there till 2016). But even after he's gone you still have the PC crowd and they're growing.

Make you a deal, bash your PC Liberal, Social Engineers every day and twice on Sunday. Let Germans take care of German business.

35 posted on 02/05/2011 7:11:23 AM PST by FW190
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To: GladesGuru

I would encourage the Muzzies to antagonize the Germans. They are suck pushovers for that kind of thing.


36 posted on 02/05/2011 7:15:04 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

“such pushovers”


37 posted on 02/05/2011 7:22:05 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: FW190
You make no arguments.

Go live in your fantasy of German Panzer and Wunderwaffen. In the meantime you do little to nothing in Somalia, off the coast of Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Sinai, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen....... The German soldiers in Afghanistan are a joke, but at least since you are there your politicians and media will shut their mouth and not sabotage efforts as in Iraq or elsewhere. That's why even if it's just a “token” commitment it's so important to tie allies into these conflicts, so that their political establishment, the media and the policies made don't run contrary to our collective interests.

Your presence is usually a “token” and not considered essential other than this means a political blessing. What have your fabulous German troops accomplished off the coats of Lebanon? Nothing. How could they? They are on board ships while the guns and fighters are crossing the Syrian border. But again, for the Germans, as long as you are there, it means that the policy makers won't politically exploit mishaps, they won't try to work deals with bad guys for economic self interest............

Ihr seit ein Hilfsmilitär und politiche dekoration, nichts weiter.

As to the rest of your dribble. There are only limited things a free Western nation can do to stop a threat like this. The free nations of this world are defined by a free market, free mobility of people and the open sharing of information/communication. Unless you want to create a new DDR you will NOT deal with the threat inside your borders. The real deal, the real fight is in the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is the center of gravity in this new conflict which will rage on for years. Germany as in the Cold War simply wishes to do as little, as late and from as far away as possible..........

The US is symbolic. They are the leader of the pact. They are the measure by which others compare themselves too but also who all the threats want to bring down, not Germany. Germany is a tag along and while in the same boat with us for all these threats, they want to profiteer (Iran, Saddam's Iraq etc) and not pay the blood, treasure and security price for being involved. The US is the big bulls eye for the Communists, Cartels, Islamists, or rouge states like North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, even China etc....... If AQ had one backpack nuke and they could choose only one place to hit, it would be the US, not Germany, France, Austria, or Switzerland. The US by virtue of it's leading role economically, culturally, politically and in security matters is the primary or a major target may that have been in your own Germany during the Cold War (RAF and Communist Revolutionary Front) or today in the Philippines fighting Abu Saaeff. For the Islamists, the fact that the US is perceived as a Christian nation and seen as a leader even in this aspect, this only adds to the religious aspect of their war. The Vatican itself is not seen by the Islamist as a religious Christian symbol like the US. The US represents globalization, the West, emancipation of women.......

The US does a phenomenal job and has world wide the most sophisticated technologically, largest and doctrinally highly developed intelligence and security apparatus (Which you guys mimic BTW), but nothing is ever 100% and the bad guy just needs to get it right once. Torn in many directions at once, committed globally and dealing with a huge and highly diversified threat picture, geography, technological threats, the US does a very good job and in fact your security depends on it too.

All we ask is that you don't bite our ankels. We don't expect you to actually "do anything," just don't stand in our way.

38 posted on 02/05/2011 10:19:56 AM PST by Red6
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To: FW190
I don't have time to dissect your idiocy line by line.

Your remarks about Nidal are a perfect example. He needed medically treated and it will take time before he can stand trial and the wheels of justice will catch up. He's a prime example actually of my argument. When should he have been arrested? When he exercised his right to free speech? When he disagreed with the government and the war? Maybe we should have simply arrested him for being a Muslim or brown?

In reality, unless you have someone walking behind this guy 24-7 and able to catch or shoot him in that 15 minute window when he finally made up his mind to go amok and stuck guns into his pants to drive on post to shoot people, he broke no laws and didn't do anything wrong.

Unless you create a complete police state and strip people of all their rights, you will only partially “internally” deal with these threats. These threats are usually created in Afghanistan, Iran, in some Egyptian prison or some Pakistani Madras and our national internal security apparatus can only deal with them in a limited fashion. They are often state sponsored as with Pan Am 103 or the proxy war Israel is fighting against Iran.........

He got it: “Unsere Sicherheit wird nicht nur, aber auch am Hindukusch verteidigt”

As to the rest, it's all rationalizations, or in German Heuschelei in order to justify inaction, to actually make weakness sound as if it's strength, to make immorality appear moral.

39 posted on 02/05/2011 10:39:54 AM PST by Red6
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To: FW190

Well said.


40 posted on 02/05/2011 1:17:05 PM PST by skraut
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