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Obama topping Palin in Red Arizona [ Daily Kos's PPP- again ]
www.politico.com ^ | 2-2-11 | DAN HIRSCHHORN

Posted on 02/02/2011 2:42:00 PM PST by NoLibZone

Even in Republican Arizona, Barack Obama has a healthy lead over Sarah Palin.

With the state swinging away from Democrats, having Palin on the ballot come general election time next year is Obama's best hope of winning the Grand Canyon State, according to a new poll. Democrats have taken Arizona in only one presidential race since 1952. Continue Reading

The survey by Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling found Obama topping Palin 49 percent to 41 percent in the state. That's significantly better than he fares against other candidates — Obama trails Mitt Romney by 6 points, Mike Huckabee by 4 points, and is locked in a tie with Newt Gingrich.

Distaste for Palin, home-state Sen. John McCain's 2008 running mate, drives Obama's lead, according to the poll. While 51 percent of Arizonans disapprove of Obama's job performance, 57 percent have an unfavorable view of Palin.

The survey 599 voters has a sampling error of 4 percent.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: dailykos; dailykos9thread; dialkos9thread; fakepoliticopoll; fakepoll4romney; fauxpoll4politico; freepressforpalin; palin; politico4obama; politico4romney; pppfakepoll; sarah; sraha

1 posted on 02/02/2011 2:42:07 PM PST by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

In a fictitious face off , PPP could prove Obama over Ronald Reagan by 20 points.


2 posted on 02/02/2011 2:43:52 PM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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To: NoLibZone

Well at least the polls for Senator Nelson in Nebraska show him losing and those polls are believed so we are not all bad. If only the poll showed Palin winning then the poll would be accurate around here.


3 posted on 02/02/2011 2:46:08 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: NoLibZone
While 51 percent of Arizonans disapprove of Obama's job performance, 57 percent have an unfavorable view of Palin.

The survey 599 voters has a sampling error of 4 percent.

So 4% error each way may mean 51+4 = 55% disapproval for 0bama
57-4 = 53% unfavorable for Palin.

I think Palin has a better shot at improving her numbers than Barry.

4 posted on 02/02/2011 2:46:41 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: NoLibZone

Spreading the lies.


5 posted on 02/02/2011 2:47:34 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NoLibZone

Public Policy Polling is useless. It might as well be called DNC Polling. Whomever they claim can’t beat Obama, just assume the opposite is true. In this case, it’s easy.


6 posted on 02/02/2011 2:48:10 PM PST by Jim Scott (MItt Romney)
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To: NoLibZone

Do these libs ever give up? Im not buying it...

I say BLLLLLLSHhhhT


7 posted on 02/02/2011 2:48:52 PM PST by neverbluffer
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To: NoLibZone

How do they explain the state having two republican senators, a republican governor, and a big republican majority in the legislature?
Oh, never mind, I forgot-—libs don’t know the meaning of the truth. In fact the truth is their worst enemy.


8 posted on 02/02/2011 2:50:00 PM PST by taillightchaser
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To: NoLibZone

Doesn’t mean a lick until the campaign gets underway. It’s an effort to demoralize. Many here on FR are cheering with Obama and the msm. How does it feel to be on Obama’s team guys? If Sarah runs and all the polls show her down in the summer of 2012 then I’ll start to worry.


9 posted on 02/02/2011 2:50:45 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: NoLibZone

Just for a second, think about how incredibly dumb this poll is.

Palin was the FIRST one out of the chute to stand up for AZ’s citizens & Arizona’s governor, Jan Brewer, in defense of AZs immigration law. Palin even cut commercials to help the state raise money to defend the law. Gov. Brewer won re-election by a pretty healthy margin.

But I’m supposed to believe that Arizonans will vote for the guy whose administration is suing THEM and trying to prevent the implementation of that law? As opposed to the candidate that came out on the side of the citizensand actually helped them? Btw, Giffords barely won re-election in that state. But they want Obama, eh? LMAO

Sometimes the propaganda just takes off it’s clothes and stands nekkid right in front of you, so you can’t miss it.


10 posted on 02/02/2011 2:53:08 PM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: NoLibZone

"Some reports are that Politico is this far
up the backside of Romney and Obama."

11 posted on 02/02/2011 2:54:00 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: NoLibZone

I predict many more of these PPP polls showing Obama over Sarah.

Who is paying for them?

Newt, Mitt? or DeMmint?


12 posted on 02/02/2011 2:57:07 PM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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To: Daisyjane69

Yeah but people in AZ had a choice between JD and disgusting McCain. I was offered a free golf business trip to Scottsdale and said no thanks.


13 posted on 02/02/2011 2:57:20 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: NoLibZone

Not DeMint. Maybe Mitt or Newt. What was the sample? 500 people? I bet that cost $2,000 if that much.


14 posted on 02/02/2011 2:58:37 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: NoLibZone; Clyde5445; sarah fan UK; Virginia Ridgerunner

PPL polls and all polls are meaningless until candidates actually announce. I don’t know why this rates as news, except at politico-obama.com?


15 posted on 02/02/2011 2:59:09 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: toddausauras
It’s an effort to demoralize. Many here on FR are cheering with Obama and the msm. How does it feel to be on Obama’s team guys?

Nailed it. Pissant will be very happy when he finds this thread so he can throw around his lib talking points.........

16 posted on 02/02/2011 3:03:22 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: NoLibZone

In any campaign, the most prominent strategy is to deny your opponent’s electability.

Without regard to truth or accuracy.


17 posted on 02/02/2011 3:03:29 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Relativism is the intellectual death knell of progressive ideology.)
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To: onyx; NoLibZone; sarah fan UK; Lakeshark

Polls are not going to influence me one way or the other. Polls like this are invalid. If a poll like this influnces people then they are weak minded sheep.


18 posted on 02/02/2011 3:04:33 PM PST by Clyde5445 (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: NoLibZone

I remember January and February 1991, when George Bush was so far up in the polls that pretty much nobody on the Democratic side wanted to run in 1992, except Jerry Brown...and Bill Clinton. Barry isn’t that far up. Nowhere near.


19 posted on 02/02/2011 3:04:52 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: BOOM. Taste My Cluebat!)
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To: NoLibZone
Who is paying for them?

KOS.

I'm sure they're trustworthy...../s

20 posted on 02/02/2011 3:05:05 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Pleeeze..........
PHHUULLEEEEZZE.............
Don’ go throwin me in that there BRIAR PATCH!!!


21 posted on 02/02/2011 3:10:33 PM PST by Flintlock
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To: NoLibZone

Yes, PPP is a Democrat outfit that oversamples Democrats and is using registered voters instead of likely voters. But we ignore at our own risk the fact that in poll after poll, irrespective of the pollster or the state being surveyed, Sarah Palin is running quite a bit behind the other Republican candidates in head-to-head matchups against Obama. Would Obama carry AZ over Palin? Of course not. But if Obama can hold on to OH, PA, MI and WI, he’ll be reelected. As much as I love Sarah, and believe that she would make a great president, I don’t want to see Obama get reelected because we nominated someone who would need to attain a remarkable improvement in public perception in order to win—remember what happened to Katherine Harris in 2006.

There are several other conservatives we can run for president who would have a much better chance of winning than would Gov. Palin; for example, even a longshot like Herman Cain would have a better chance, since he is largely unknown among voters and does not have to change drastically public perception of him, which would be Palin’s task should she run for president. And maybe Jim DeMint will run. While such candidates would start off behind in the polls to Obama, I guarantee you that Obama would be polling a much lower percentage against them than he has been polling against Palin (and there would be a much higher percentage of undecided voters). And, at the end of the day, Herman Cain and Jim DeMint are at least as conservative as Sarah is (and likely even more conservative), and will be able to bring out the conservative vote just as well as she could do (especially if Sarah campaigns for the GOP ticket, which I’m sure she would do if we nominate two conservatives).

Sarah Palin is still quite young, and she will have plenty of chances to run for president in the future. But 2012 does not look like a good year for her to run, unless she can completely change her public perception in 21 months.


22 posted on 02/02/2011 3:10:56 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: NoLibZone

One speech, or one debate, and all bets are off for the socialist scumbags.


23 posted on 02/02/2011 3:11:14 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: onyx

More coordinated “Stop Sarah” nonsense. Just wait and see-—there’ll be a similar poll conducted in each state each day geared toward showing that Sarah has no chance against Obama. Heck, she hasn’t even announced and certainly hasn’t begun campaigning yet, so this is all pointless.


24 posted on 02/02/2011 3:14:28 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I think you forget how far Reagan was behind Carter in the polls mid 1980.

It was far worse than this poll that is two years out.

We won't know whether this is actually true until she declares, has run a compaign, and has presented her case to the voters.

25 posted on 02/02/2011 3:14:33 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Jim Scott

PPP= Piss Poor Polling


26 posted on 02/02/2011 3:22:46 PM PST by JaguarXKE (Life - It's 10 percent circumstances and 90 percent how you react to circumstances - Sarah Palin)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Pointless and stupid. Signs of complete despertion.


27 posted on 02/02/2011 3:23:22 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: NoLibZone

I assume these same pollsters had Democrats picking up seats in the 2010 congressional election.


28 posted on 02/02/2011 3:26:25 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: NoLibZone

Dewey Defeats Truman.


29 posted on 02/02/2011 3:36:39 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Herman Cain and Jim DeMint are at least as conservative as Sarah is (and likely even more conservative), and will be able to bring out the conservative vote just as well as she could do


I can’t remember either DeMint or Cain ever getting huge crowds at their events. Don’t fall for these polls. The campaign hasn’t even started yet and people are begging off Sarah Palin because the media has trashed her for two years. Whoever we nominate will be trashed and who knows what lurks in their closets? Palin’s closet has been thoroughly examined, her garbage too. They found nothing. Palin is picking up steam based on her recent Facebook numbers climbing and the votes she’s getting in online popularity contests. People are learning that the media take on Palin is BS. Since Palin has already won the votes needed to get her the nomination, due to her success in all she has done since leaving office, the only hope the dems have is to convince her not to run. Hence, the polls.

Let’s give our democratic process a chance to work. If she is the best candidate, she will prevail, get the nomination and beat Obama.


30 posted on 02/02/2011 3:39:37 PM PST by excopconservative
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To: NoLibZone

Kos’s pollsters, and even they can’t get the incumbent over 50% against Palin—before she’s even started her campaign.

Ha ha!!!


31 posted on 02/02/2011 3:47:46 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: excopconservative; AuH2ORepublican

Exactly. Duncan Hunter was a good conservative, too, and he barely registered at the polls.

Too many people on the right still don’t realize how special Palin is, though I think they will once she gets rolling in a campaign.


32 posted on 02/02/2011 3:50:33 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: NoLibZone

Moogly ain’t going to beat the Lady. Period.


33 posted on 02/02/2011 3:59:13 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: NoLibZone

Public Policy Propaganda


34 posted on 02/02/2011 9:11:59 PM PST by Moorings
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; onyx

-—”More coordinated “Stop Sarah” nonsense”-—

Yup. Lots of folks worried about this candidate who “just can’t win.” Strange.........

PPP has Obama winning about 45 states now. RVs, oversampling Dems and Indies, focuing on big cities...........and anti-Palin folks pretend not to notice the numbers game they’re playing.

Can’t wait until she announces!


35 posted on 02/03/2011 7:27:52 AM PST by TitansAFC ("Mike Pence's Amnesty plan is the '86 Amnesty with a trip home tacked on." - The Heritage Foundation)
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To: TitansAFC; All
Predict the Next Red State That the Daily Kos Pollster Will Show Obama Beating Palin/Open Thread
36 posted on 02/03/2011 7:37:16 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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