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Jesse Ventura sues TSA, says body scans and pat-down searches violate rights
pioneer press ^ | 1-24-11 | Amy Forliti

Posted on 01/24/2011 6:00:37 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB

Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura sued the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration on Monday, alleging full-body scans and pat-downs at airport checkpoints violate his right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

Ventura is asking a federal judge in Minnesota to issue an injunction ordering officials to stop subjecting him to "warrantless and suspicionless" scans and body searches.

The lawsuit, which also names Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and TSA Administrator John Pistole as defendants, argues the searches are "unwarranted and unreasonable intrusions on Governor Ventura's personal privacy and dignity and are a justifiable cause for him to be concerned for his personal health and well-being."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: rights; sue; therock; tsa; tsapervs; ventura
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1 posted on 01/24/2011 6:00:41 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB
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LOL! Jesse may have to start wearing underwear! Don't wanna go commando through the screening pat down...
2 posted on 01/24/2011 6:04:27 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Hooray!


3 posted on 01/24/2011 6:06:21 PM PST by ransacked
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This is difficult. If Jesse is against it, I may have to be for it.


4 posted on 01/24/2011 6:06:32 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: WOBBLY BOB

See Also: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2662633/posts


5 posted on 01/24/2011 6:07:55 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Felis_irritable

No kidding. This is a guy who has taken a LOT of folding chairs to the head.


6 posted on 01/24/2011 6:08:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>>LOL! Jesse may have to start wearing underwear! Don’t wanna go commando through the screening pat down...

They could confirm his steroid induced “shrunk-junk”.


7 posted on 01/24/2011 6:09:10 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

sorry, searched under TSA and ventura and nothing came up


8 posted on 01/24/2011 6:11:37 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: cripplecreek

So what’s Janet Incompetano’s excuse?


9 posted on 01/24/2011 6:12:36 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Jesse’s right.


10 posted on 01/24/2011 6:12:56 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, than Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Finally the voice of reason...


11 posted on 01/24/2011 6:14:35 PM PST by CDFingers (Liars and Commies and Czars Oh My!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

He’s going to lose.


12 posted on 01/24/2011 6:15:42 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Rectal cranial inversion?


13 posted on 01/24/2011 6:17:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Lazamataz
Jesse’s right

Doesn't he question who was behind the 9/11 attacks?

14 posted on 01/24/2011 6:18:42 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: Retired Chemist

Didn’t say he was right about everything.


15 posted on 01/24/2011 6:21:25 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, than Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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>>>sorry, searched under TSA and ventura and nothing came up

Stuff happens... common words to headlines: body scans pat-downs...


16 posted on 01/24/2011 6:22:56 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Ventura went through air port security when he was sitting governor. He asked the screener, "what's the sense?" The screener basically replied to show the people that everyone is treated the same way.

He then told the screener, "That man over there works for me. If I order him to give me his gun, he has to do it. So, again, I ask, 'what's the sense?'"

Had a point about that one, too.

17 posted on 01/24/2011 6:47:22 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; Felis_irritable; Ramius; hinckley buzzard; Retired Chemist

Our society allows police to subject individuals even to abusive intrusions when such actions are deemed reasonable responses to actions. They stop a speeding car. They search with reasonable suspicion based on specific and demonstrable facts. They subdue and even kill a citizen in response to escalating levels of violence.

However, TSA bureaucrats are allowed intimate, primal domination of people when they have done nothing to elicit the behavior. The massive, random and warrantless program of body scanners and pat downs creates an environment for institutionalizing the worst demons of the human condition.

This country has before and should not again, suffer the consequences of allowing one group of people dominion over another, when submission was not provoked by the other party’s uncivil behavior. In The Life and Times of Fredrick Douglas, he believed that slavery perpetrated as much emotional and psychological damage on the owner as the slave.

Fredrick Douglas would recognize the Homeland Security approach, which contrasts sharply to the disparaged NSA program for warrantless intrusion into private communications. In that case analysts sought a handful of useful leads from the 60 to 100 billion calls per day. Their standards first passed a Fourth Amendment test, regardless of involvement by the FISA court, and then focused on much narrower parameters to find signals of interest.

For the NSA probability and statistics enabled approaches, which are otherwise condemned as profiling by DHS people. TSA should be allowed enhanced surveillance methods, when their rules focus on actions and characteristics denoting responses with a higher probability for terrorist actions.

The current TSA approach reminds me of the futile and tragic consequences of gun control legislation, which focuses on the instruments of violence, and ignores the person using the instruments. For just one example consider that in Fairfax County, Virginia guns appear to live passive lives, but as soon as they cross the Potomac River and enter the Anacostia area of Washington D.C. they become psychopaths when under the influence of rigid gun control legislation.

Such seems to be the befuddled focus of TSA procedures, which exclusively look for things. Do procedures ignoring people really make us any safer? How would their methods have prevented the terrorist attack in Russia? How would their methods prevent a chemical, biological, or nuclear weapon from entering an airport? If the impact is counterproductive like gun control, maybe the procedures merely represent a marketing strategy using the only alternatives remaining after everything faces the politically correct gate keepers. Such people see themselves acting in our best interests, but judge everything according to an asymmetrical personal moral orthodoxy unwilling to recognize the looming tragedies from terrorism.

The Constitution not only allows, but demands Congress and the bureaucrats accept the hazards and uncertainties of personal freedom as a precondition to further reasoning. With that approach in mind, the Israeli methods could be the template for processes focusing on characteristics and actions of people as they pass boundaries into what should be secure environments. In this way the few would be subjected to more intense scrutiny based reasonableness tests, and we would not be blinded by the futile subjection of millions.


18 posted on 01/24/2011 8:14:15 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Tanniker Smith

Your daily dose of security theater.
http://thedailypatdown.com/


19 posted on 01/25/2011 3:57:31 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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Judge tosses Jesse Ventura's airport scans lawsuit

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura in which he sought to challenge the use of full-body scans and pat-downs at airport checkpoints.

Link to: Judge tosses Jesse Ventura's airport scans lawsuit
20 posted on 11/03/2011 7:26:52 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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