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To: Fireone

I’d give the title to his son and successor, Uggedai Qa Quan. During his reign the Mongols finished, and secured, the conquest of Northern China, conquered everything west of the Gobi as far as the Danube [including the Bulgar state, the Pontic steppe, the Russian principalities, Kiev, and Hungary]. They razed Krakow, torched Bohemia and Moravia, raided Vienna, and were moving toward Venice. They also conquered Afghanistan, Tibet, the eastern Balkans, and made Korea a vassal state. Not bad for eight years’ work.


17 posted on 01/24/2011 4:19:16 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

re: #17: Excellent points. Nice to see someone who knows their history!


23 posted on 01/24/2011 4:24:34 PM PST by Longdriver
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To: PzLdr

True, but GK built, from less than scratch, the state and army that Uggedai used to complete his conquests.


27 posted on 01/24/2011 4:30:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: PzLdr

OTOH, they seem to have brought the Black Death to the whole Eastern Hemisphere, which could’ve had a higher body count than all the conflicts.


30 posted on 01/24/2011 4:35:52 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: PzLdr

Found out in the book I just read that a line of Mongols survived as a sovereign kingdom and became a Moghul empire in northern India which was not forced into submission until the 1800’s by the British. 600 years is a long run.


31 posted on 01/24/2011 4:38:07 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: PzLdr

This is why the Greens like Islam.


38 posted on 01/24/2011 4:50:12 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: PzLdr

I’d give the credit to Subutai. Had Ögedei Khan not died when he died, Subutai would have turned on teh Holy roman Empire, and conquered everything up the English Channel.


50 posted on 01/24/2011 5:30:39 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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