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Was Genghis Khan history's greenest conqueror?
Mother Nature Network ^ | 24 January 2011 | Bryan Nelson

Posted on 01/24/2011 3:54:27 PM PST by Fractal Trader

Genghis Khan's Mongol invasion in the 13th and 14th centuries was so vast that it may have been the first instance in history of a single culture causing man-made climate change, according to new research out of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology, reports Mongabay.com. Earn Points What's this?

Comments (21) Email Facebook Twitter Stumble Digg Share Unlike modern day climate change, however, the Mongol invasion actually cooled the planet, effectively scrubbing around 700 million tons of carbon from the atmosphere.

So how exactly did Genghis Khan, one of history's cruelest conquerors, earn such a glowing environmental report card? The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

Over the course of the century and a half run of the Mongol Empire, about 22 percent of the world's total land area had been conquered and an estimated 40 million people were slaughtered by the horse-driven, bow-wielding hordes. Depopulation over such a large swathe of land meant that countless numbers of cultivated fields eventually returned to forests.

In other words, one effect of Genghis Khan's unrelenting invasion was widespread reforestation, and the re-growth of those forests meant that more carbon could be absorbed from the atmosphere.

"It's a common misconception that the human impact on climate began with the large-scale burning of coal and oil in the industrial era," said Julia Pongratz, who headed the Carnegie Institution research project. "Actually, humans started to influence the environment thousands of years ago by changing the vegetation cover of the Earth's landscapes when we cleared forests for agriculture."

Pongratz's study, which was completed with the help of her Carnegie colleague Ken Caldeira, as well as with German colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, measured the carbon impact of a number of historical events besides just the Mongol invasion, including the Black Death in Europe, the fall of China's Ming Dynasty and the conquest of the Americas.

What all of these events share in common is the widespread return of forests after a period of massive depopulation, but the longevity of the Mongol invasion made it stand out as having the biggest impact on the world's climate.

"We found that during the short events such as the Black Death and the Ming Dynasty collapse, the forest re-growth wasn't enough to overcome the emissions from decaying material in the soil," explained Pongratz. "But during the longer-lasting ones like the Mongol invasion... there was enough time for the forests to re-grow and absorb significant amounts of carbon."

The 700 million tons of carbon absorbed as a result of the Mongol invasions roughly equals the amount of carbon global society now produces annually from gasoline.


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To: vladimir998
Fighting through German and French forests is harder than on the eastern plains.

Though they won every fight, The Mongols were taking higher then normal casualties when they attacked Central Europe. And since their fighters were trained from close to birth, they could not afford those high casualties.

61 posted on 01/24/2011 7:21:03 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: mojito
So. The “green lobby” is in favor of another Geghis and another 40 million deaths? But I'm sure that wouldn't be a high enough body count for the greens today. I'm sure they advocated something on the order of...two or three hundred million.

Keep going, ideas from some of the more radical green groups want the planet to host no more than 10 million humans.

62 posted on 01/24/2011 8:08:11 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids (Mugabi will look like Reagan when this thing is over with)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Genghis Khan must have needed a lot of horses that produced a lot of carbon, especially running around a lot."

Horses are only 25% as efficent at converting cellouse to calories as are cows. This number of horses would have produced three times the amount of poop that an equal number of cows would have produced.

63 posted on 01/24/2011 8:17:18 PM PST by blam
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To: rmlew

He was, IMHO, the greatest general in history. Bar none.


64 posted on 01/24/2011 8:20:53 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: wendy1946

The first incident was the governor of Otar, in the northeast of the Khwaresm Empire. The killing of the ambassadors was the stupidity of his boss, Mohammed Ali, the Khwaresm Shah. The result was the destruction of Khwaresm, the annihilation of most of an army reported to number 500,000.


65 posted on 01/24/2011 8:25:10 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: justa-hairyape

Actually, they didn’t. They used two tumans under Buri and Kadaan to destroy one Polish Army in front of Crackow, sack Crackow, annihilate [almost to a man], a second army of 40,000 at Liegnitz, and to burn down Bohemia and Moravia. And that was just a feint.

Somewhere between 40,000 and 60,000 Mongols under Batu Quan and Subudei fought something like 100,000 Hungarians, and killed 70,000 of them at Mohi. They took Buda and Pest around Christmas, and by Spring they were raiding Vienna, infiltrating northern Italy, and had a tuman chasing Bela IV down the Adriatic coast. They couldn’t have done that with higher than normal casualties.


66 posted on 01/24/2011 8:31:39 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Rebelbase
I just finished a 1928 tome on Ghengis Khan and the Mongol conquests. It’s estimated that his armies were in the range of 300,000 in size total.

More recent scholarship has found that his armies were really much smaller.

Basically, in every country where the Mongols showed up and kicked ass, their historians explained it away by claiming to be outnumbered - hence the term "horde" becoming synomous with massive numbers.

In reality, the Mongols were pretty badly outnumbered in pretty much every battle they ever fought, and won through superior discipline and tactical skill.

67 posted on 01/24/2011 8:54:51 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

The 300,000 figure was total forces spread out from China to the Caucuses in many different conflicts. My impression of he term “horde” is that they were so mobile they could appear 100 miles away a day later which made their numbers appear much larger than they actually were.


68 posted on 01/24/2011 9:16:36 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: vladimir998

“But I would credit God rather than Subutai. He decides when to take Mongol khans out of the picture.”

The exact thing my brother said last night when we were discussing this.

He said the same thing will happen to the Chicoms at the appropriate moment.


69 posted on 01/24/2011 9:20:47 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: vladimir998
The Mongols invaded Vietnam and forced it to become a tributary for 2 generations. The second and third invasions were failures, but the Vietnamese still accepted vassalage. Arguably, they did better than we did.
They also conquered Volga Bulgaria and the Mari Finns in the forests. The Mongols may not have been as efficient in forests as in the steppe, but they could get the job done.
70 posted on 01/24/2011 9:24:01 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: PzLdr
They couldn’t have done that with higher than normal casualties.

It was the costs involved with taking the Hungarians that led to their halt of expansion into Europe. Mongols were not used to taking such casualties. The casualties were higher then they ever experienced up to that point. At least that was the claim postulated on a web site. Can try to dig it up for you if you like.

71 posted on 01/24/2011 9:58:53 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: rmlew
The Mongols may not have been as efficient in forests as in the steppe, but they could get the job done.

They frequently burned entire forests. Fire was a normal war tactic for them. Which helps to illustrate the stupidity of the Leftists Greenies. Mongols killed everything. Killing animals was their favorite sport.

72 posted on 01/24/2011 10:01:54 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Rebelbase

It wasn’t a religious genocide the Khan was after, it was about total submission.


Exactly. The last thing the Khan was interested in was religion.


73 posted on 01/25/2011 6:43:27 AM PST by Longdriver
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To: justa-hairyape
Read “The Devil's Horsemen” by Chambers. It focuses on the campaign.

The expansion into Europe was halted by one death, Uggedai Qa Quan’s, in Karakorum in December 1241. It took until April for the Yam messenger to arrive with the news.

Under the Yassa [Jasagh], Chinnghis Qa Quan’s code of laws, all members of the Royal family and all ranking senior generals to to gather, as soon as possible, in Mongolia, to elect a successor. Present in Hungary were Batu, Buri [Jochi’s sons], Guyuk [Uggedai’s son], Kadaan [Chagatai’s son], and Mongke [Tolui’s son], as well as Subodei. Each had brought his personal army [except Subodei] on campaign. Each was determined to serve his own interests [again, except Subodei, and in this case, Batu] at the Kuriltai. They all left for Mongolia. That's what spared Europe.

The Empire was being ruled by a woman, Uggedai’s widow, Toregine, as regent. She engineered Guyuk’s election, despite Uggedai’s preference for a grandson Siremun.

Since Guyuk and Batu had had a major falling out on the campaign in the west, Europe was spared an immediate follow up invasion because Batu had to watch his eastern border. In fact, Guyk died in 1248 on his way to attack Batu. He was succeeded by Mongke, son of Tolui, through an alliance between Batu and Mongke’s mother, Sorghetani Beki.

74 posted on 01/25/2011 6:56:21 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

“The Devil’s Horsemen””

Excellent book.


75 posted on 01/25/2011 7:39:12 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: justa-hairyape

“Mongols killed everything. Killing animals was their favorite sport. “

Indeed. The royal Mongol hunts were a months long affair and used as military training. Entire divisions were fanned out in a circular perimeter hundreds of miles long and marched forward making a cacophony of noise while synchronously enclosing the circle to drive the game and prey into a preselected killing ground like a tight, steep valley.

The royal family got first dibs on the killing.

Quoting Mongol law from Lamb’s 1928 edition:

“Forbidden to cut the throats of animals slain for food; they must be bound, the chest opened and the heart pulled out by the hand of the hunter.”


76 posted on 01/25/2011 8:14:54 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

In those hunts, not one single animal was supposed to escape the shrinking circle. Apparently it was a grave error to let one single animal out. Imagine that. Culling an entire large area of every single animal. So in the leftist mind, culling large areas of all animals, burning down forests that held enemies, drinking the blood of horses, etc.. are all fine as long as you kill a lot of humans also. Again, their idiotic ends, justify their insane means.


77 posted on 01/25/2011 2:28:41 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: PzLdr
The Mongolian forces were destroyed completely in Hungary in the 1280’s when they returned.
78 posted on 01/25/2011 2:42:09 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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