Posted on 01/20/2011 2:24:53 PM PST by Sub-Driver
No. That indicates the provision was first created in 1982. If it was only an amendment to an existing provision, it would also list the initial year the provision was passed, along with all prior years in which was amended.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24948817/Joint-Motion-with-HI-Territorial-Law-57
The argument in the brief is garbage, so I wouldn't waste my time with it if I were you, but the writer was kind enough to include the 1955 lawbook as an exhibit. Everything you need to know about birth certificate law at the time of Obama's birth is there, in chapter 57, the chapter on vital statistics.
If you read it for yourself, you will find there is no provision there, none, zilch, nada, for the registration of foreign or out-of-state births. Period.
(a) If neither parent of the unborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.
(b) The board shall prescribe the time within which a suplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a suplementary report shall not be considered as "delayed" or "altered".
Nice straw man. The subject was their refusal to say whether they had released a COLB to anyone.
Do you even bother to read the links you post? The birth index posted there is the index of people who received a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, not a standard birth certificate. COHBs were only issued to people whose births hadn't been registered by age 1.
Maybe you don't read but I think you're simply lying.
In response to the evasive denials of my original UIPA request and the outright claim I had written what I did not write, Miss Janice Okubo admitted to me last week that microfiches of the Hawaii Birth Index did exist and that they did not contain the said surnames. Following my disclosure of that to several friends, I was given a copy of a Treasury Department Document from 1949 showing that at least one individual with the surname Dunham was born in Hawaii during the period in which the Hawaii Birth Index was used.
That is just a small part of the evasiveness the HDOH has engaged in. Here is some more.
If you read the link on “Certificate of Hawaii Birth” you can see that it was granted to those who provided what the Department of Health considered sufficient proof of a a birth in Hawaii. Thus it provided a vehicle to claim a Hawaii birth without actually being born in Hawaii, if only one succeeded in convincing the Department that you were.(snip)
Please note that it is not an unimportant fact that the images released do show that the Birth Index data does contain the names of the parents. In her correspondence with me, Okubo denied that I could ask for the Birth Index information for children based on the surnames of the parents. So if these images are evidentiary in any manner, they are evidentiary of Okubo’s obstruction of my initial UIPA request, since I never asked for the parents’ names, only the names of the children. She has the names of the parents right there; why did she refuse to do a search on that basis?
That contradicts everything you've just said.
Wrong. The subject is whether Obama was born in Hawaii. Their records say he was born there. Case closed.
I also doubt the DHOH has a record of every COLB printed. The COLB is just a certified computer printout of of information contained within the state's vital record database. It's not an actual vital record. Hence it is pointless and expensive to keeping a record of every COLB generated, so they probably don't do.
Maybe you don't read but I think you're simply lying.
Actually, the Post and Email links you posted supports what what I said. You are the one who can't read.
Let's recap what I wrote:
Curiosity: The birth index posted there is the index of people who received a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, not a standard birth certificate.
From the Post and Email:
John Charlton: My initial UIPA request of January 22, 2010, sought the index data for all children on the Hawaii Birth Index whose parents’ surnames were either Obama, Payne, Soetoro or Dunham. The Certificate of Hawaii [sic] Birth was issued from 1911 to 1972 for those who wished to have a document proving that they were born in Hawaii. It was a way to apply for a document for those who were born a year before the request was made and who did not have a standard birth certificate, presumably because they were born at home, not in a hospital.
Got that? Mr. Charlton was looking for index data on certificates of Hawaiian Birth (COHB), not standard birth certiciates. Certificates of Hawaiin Birth (COHB) are ONLY given to persons whose birth was not not registered by age one. Anyone who is given a COHB
Not surprisingly, Mr. Charlton asked the HDOH to release the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth index and found no entries under Payne, Soetoro or Dunham, which proves that Obama was not given a Certificate of Hawaiian birth, giving even more credence to the fact that he actually has a standard BC.
Of course, the Post and Email author thinks the HDOH is lying because of the paragraph you quote:
Miss Janice Okubo admitted to me last week that microfiches of the Hawaii Birth Index did exist and that they did not contain the said surnames. Following my disclosure of that to several friends, I was given a copy of a Treasury Department Document from 1949 showing that at least one individual with the surname Dunham was born in Hawaii during the period in which the Hawaii Birth Index was used.
So he thinks Okubo is lying because there are people born before 1949 who were born in Hawaii but arn't on the COHB birth index. This is of course really stupid, because most people in Hawaii did not get a COHB. Remember, only people whose births weren't registered more than 1 year after the fact were eligible for a COHB. Most people had their births registered before they were a year old, and that's very likely what happened with the surnames the Post and Email couldn't find in the index.
There isn’t anything honest about you is there? Not one thing. Pathetic.
You're projecting. Everything I wrote about those Post and Email links was accurate. It is YOU who were mispresenting them, as I proved in my last post.
BTW, have you come up with a plausible motive for why Obama would falsely apply for college financial aid as a foreigner?
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