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I wish all the asshats on both sides of the aisle would stop referring to the current mugging of their masters as "reform". Democrats are right that the current system is broken, but excess freedom isn't the problem. The problem is a deficit of freedom directly and indirectly due to PREVIOUS government meddling in what's none of their business. It's led to a situation where we have to contend with insurance companies (who, yes, are despicable) who think acting like a government instead of serving their customers is the way to success.

ACTUAL reform would leave me with all decisions and information about my health care, insurance nonexistant except for catastrophic care, and no one in the government in possession of any INFORMATION about any health care decision I'd ever made, much less have the legal right to make it for me.

1 posted on 01/19/2011 6:32:06 PM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Still Thinking

Blue Shield of California seeks rate hikes of as much as 59% for individuals
Insurer says the increases result from fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws. The move comes less than a year after Anthem Blue Cross tried and failed to raise rates as much as 39%.
San Francisco-based Blue Shield said the increases were the result of fast-rising healthcare costs and other expenses resulting from new healthcare laws.

“We raise rates only when absolutely necessary to pay the accelerating cost of medical care for our members,” the nonprofit insurer told customers last month.

In all, Blue Shield said, 193,000 policyholders would see increases averaging 30% to 35%, the result of three separate rate hikes since October.

Nearly 1 in 4 of the affected customers will see cumulative increases of more than 50% over five months.


2 posted on 01/19/2011 6:34:17 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Still Thinking

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS:

ObamaCare Highlighted by Page Number

THE CARE BILL HB3200

THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX - HB3200 highlighted pages most egregious

Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts..

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations.. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:

“Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick ‘fix’ to make the plan financially sound for their future.”

Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls, Texas

All of the above should give you the point blank ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare. Please send this information on to all of your email contacts.


3 posted on 01/19/2011 6:35:57 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Still Thinking

check out this link: http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758


5 posted on 01/19/2011 6:36:57 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Still Thinking
Dear Suzy Khimm...

Hey dimwit go to Canada or England and ask them how is their health care programs working...If you love the idea of Socialized Medicine move to Cuba and leave the rest of us the hell alone...


6 posted on 01/19/2011 6:42:16 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Still Thinking; Nachum
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

Toll-Free number to the Congressional Switchboard
(866) 338-1015

Soylent Green by cartoonistx

This is the 15 MEMBER UNELECTED DEATH PANEL IN THE STIMULUS BILL!

Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership Recovery Act Allocates $1.1 Billion for Comparative Effectiveness Research LINK

Obamacare and Taxes: The Final Tab (ATR.org)
link

Dr. David Janda explains rationing and why
Link

Obamacare Endgame: Doctors Will be Fined or Jailed if they Put Patients First by Dr. Elaina George
LINK

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan
LINK

How ObamaCare Guts Medicare$8 TRILLION over 20 yrs

VIDEO: GOP Rep. Paul Ryan Tears Down the ObamaCare Fiscal House of Cards

8 posted on 01/19/2011 7:11:38 PM PST by GailA (2012 rally cry DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA!)
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We could also talk about personal responsibility, Tort Reform (ambulance-chasers), etc. But, we will likely trot out all the "poor" "un-insured" "chronically ill", etc., and make all those responsible people pay for the burdens "for the common good".

It might be a good idea to have proof of Citizenship to acquire the services, too, or, in the case of emergencies, make certain that upon release, the individual MUST SHOW PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP, OR, sent back to their native land.....

9 posted on 01/19/2011 7:29:04 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Still Thinking

Most of the “popular” things are just government giving money to people — why wouldn’t they be popular. Give me $250, I’ll be happy.

Of course, you could have passed a bill that did those things in about a page of legislation.

Other things are basically false. They didn’t guarantee children could get insurance without preconditions — they simply guaranteed that any company offering child insurance would have to sell without preconditions. So most insurers stopped selling child-only policies; the ones that didn’t will be saddled with such high costs that their premiums will go up to where the healthy children won’t pay for coverage anymore, it will be too expensive.


10 posted on 01/19/2011 7:31:06 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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While 2.4 million young adults COULD now get coverage from their parent’s insurance, I want to know how many have done so — for most it’s more expensive than they care to pay. I will note that only regulation was keeping insurance companies from doing this before anyway — it’s absurd to think insurance companies wouldn’t LOVE to add adult children to their parents coverage for a fee that is appropriate to cover them — those young adults are the cheapest to insure.


11 posted on 01/19/2011 7:33:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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My insurance costs went up because my insurnace now covers me for infinite amounts of medical bills.

Republicans supported recission reform, and they could have easily passed a 2-page bill that would have given us that.

In fact, I would recommend the republicans put together the 6 popular non-cost items that would reduce regulatory pressure against common-sense insurance actions, and send it through.


12 posted on 01/19/2011 7:35:19 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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I love the "we didn't do a good job explaining the bill" argument being made by democrats. They never even knew what was in the bill when they voted on it. It's taken a year of consultants, lawyers, healthcare providers, and accountants to even figure out what's in it to explain.

Anything thats 2,000 pages long, undebated, not subject to amendment, and rammed thru without any public comment period is inexplicable to anyone.

Start over and do it right. We don't need 2,000 pages and government takeover of healthcare to fix pre-existing conditions clauses and college student coverage on ma-n-pa's policy.

13 posted on 01/19/2011 7:40:10 PM PST by blackdog
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"None of us did a good enough job" explaining the legislation the first time around, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) admitted to reporters.

How could they have been expected to explain the result of a back room full of chimpanzees, er make that junior staffers, typing out a document whose meaning would puzzle the code breakers in the very CIA itself? I can hardly blame Steny (what a nickname) for that.

16 posted on 01/19/2011 8:14:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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