Skip to comments.alemhn.com domain expired; Is Arnold v. Sarn a Loughner defense ?
Posted on 01/11/2011 12:11:16 AM PST by PieterCasparzen
Google cache has website alemhn.com domain which has apparently just expired.
Be careful what you ask for:
“In the Soviet Union, psychiatry was sometimes used for punitive purposes. Psychiatric hospitals were used by the authorities as prisons in order to isolate hundreds or thousands of political prisoners from the rest of society, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally; as such they are considered a form of torture. This method was also employed against religious prisoners, including especially well-educated former atheists who adopted a religion; in such cases their religious faith was determined to be a form of mental illness that needed to be cured...”
For purposes of Loughner’s trial, being found not guilty by reason of insanity is not very easy and his public defender seems to have a history of deep compromise anyhow.
But yeah, the sheriff knew that Loughner was a dangerous nut case well before the Giffords shooting, and seems to have done next to nothing about it. He fell down on his job.
ok, i’m answering my own question, it used to be a blog.
Interesting that there certainly appear to be significant mental health services that law enforcement can reach out to.
this link shows the “about” page in the google cache:
I copy and paste the text from the “About” page here:
This blog was created to increase knowledge and awareness among Arizona law enforcement officers as to the importance of reaching out and assisting the mentally ill persons in our communities. By networking, we can improve are response to this population, determine best practices and procedures and therefore do our part to improve the system. If your an Arizona law enforcement officer and are concerned about the mentally ill in your community, I would hope you will join me in this effort.
Rob Keefe is a detective and 22 year police veteran in the Phoenix area. currently assigned to a detail responsible for transporting mental health recipients for court ordered evaluations and treatment. He has a bachelors degree in sociology from Grand Canyon University and is currently a student in Arizona State Universitys masters of social work program. Rob is a member of the National Alliance for Mental Illness.
Dave Jungbluth is a detective and a 20 year police veteran in Phoenix area. He is currently assigned to a detail who works closely with Magellan Health services, responsible for locating and transporting court ordered Behavioral Health Recipients for evaluation and treatment. Det. Jungbluth has his bachelors degree in Adult Education from Grand Canyon University; and has over the last several years been active in training and assisting fellow officers in how to deal effectively with Behavior Health Recipients.
The system set up in most US states is supposed to embody the checks and balances needed to prevent such a scenario, such as mandatory court review, but when the Constitution is going all to hell anything can happen.
It’s not news in Arizona. A federal judge has been running the public schools here for decades because he wants more money to teach English only.
It’s all just lawyers stealing state funds and socialists taking over the state via the courts.
Oh, I’m the last one to defend psychiatry; I remember years ago I had a professor who was in the business for 20 years say that it was bunk, a never-ending money machine.
I’m just digging around because that Sheriff sounds like he’s deflecting from something; LE typically sticks right to their job in these things and is very methodical in what they say and don’t say to the press so they succeed at the case. I’ve heard of attorney’s grandstanding, but this deflection doesn’t smell right for the LE investigation.
And I found that for years this Arnold v. Sarn case has been turning AZ’s mental health system on its’ head. The AZ mental health system, if one surfs the web it, turns out to be a disaster waiting to happen. They actually just received an OK from the court to halt all their “reform” efforts because of budget problems.
It seems interesting that somehow Arnold v. Sarn has not gotten tied to the media coverage of this murder case. It’s like the media is just hoping that the national media does not pick up Arnold v. Sarn.
I think it all points out that after spending millions of dollars on mental health and having court-supervised improvement to their system, we have Loughner slip right through and never sent over to get run through the system. It’s just a shame that they did not refer him. They have many patients in the system, 24-7 phone support, the whole nine yards. Who knows if the system would have helped him, but how unfortunate he was never even referred. I wonder if there was a legal requirement at any point to refer him ?
Aye, the sheriff did protest too much.
Ok, this link looks like it may be the group that would handle referrals for Pima County:
“To the best of our knowledge, he was never and is currently not enrolled in our system,” said Neal Cash, president of the Community Partnership of Southern Arizona, the organization that provides mental health services to Tucson and Pima County for the state.
The more I research this, the more it looks like law enforcement should have referred this case to pysch, had multiple occasions to do that and did not which would have drastically affected the course of events in 2010 and greatly lowered chances of violence. Not because I think psychiatry is all that beneficial as a science, but simply because he would have been in the system, his mother would have been aware of more, multiple people would have been looking for signs. It would be different if the state of AZ never asserted the authority and responsibility to provide mental health crisis management for it’s citizens, but they have. yet, for some reason, Loughner was not referred to these services even though a quick investigation would have produced many people who would concur that he obviously needed them as they were afraid of him.
Sheriff has vehemently, publicly announced his bias towards a conclusion that defendant is competent but was goaded to do this by politicians, public speakers, etc., so his objectivity in investigating defendants possible motives is questionable, which makes one wonder about overall department effectiveness.
These announcements seem meant to distract anyone from asking whether lack of referral was just negligent mistake thinking he was harmless or intentional to perhaps “help” by keeping him out of the system, or perhaps it was trying to save the state resources, or perhaps there are relationships not yet revealed.
Hey, I’m a cap punishment person, I thought it was routine at first, but I think the “routine” case is more where a loner is really a loner and there is no one around the person. But he lived with his family, he had school and police interactions at least. They must really be feeling bad that they did not report this and now all the deaths and injuries, and presumably this guy will get death penalty. And people were there the whole time to watch his slide downhill. Doubt he can be fixed much now after having committed the act.
This is a tough situation.
Agreed. This tragedy reaches far deeper than most realize.
-——He fell down on his job.——
Au contraire mi amigo. His job was not to deal with precriminals, his job was to soothe the worried minds of constituents that elected him to be sure there was no injustice.
He is not a law enforcement officer, he is a left wing pacifier. He is the public bipi
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.