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Conceal Carry Fire Power (vanity)

Posted on 01/10/2011 10:38:50 AM PST by Qwackertoo

In light of the incident in FL, woman whacked shooter with her purse, and now in AZ and the woman grabbed the second clip before he could re-load . . . I'm a lady and carry a .380 Ruger LCP. I'm thinking it wouldn't do much good in these situations AND I'm thinking I could easily get myself shot IF the police or others thought I was the SHOOTER and not someone trying to help.

Scary days we live in. Play dead OR try to take the shooter out? Get a bigger gun? I also own a Colt .357 but too big to carry much less conceal.

I think both of those two older ladies were quite brave in the face of grave danger in both of these shootings.


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To: hoosierham

As a former LEO, I tell you most all our training was within 7 yards, as that is where most all shootings occur. Yes we did practice at 50 yds too but the chance of such a situation arrising is remote and I would leave gun fights at that range to anyone with a long gun. Furthermore, it is hard to demonstrate how someone at 50 yds is an immediate threat to you with a CCW.

At extremely close range, there may not be time to sight, so some proficiency must be developed for point shooting. Point of aim, 7 yrds, 15 yds or 50 yds was center mass. Put the front sight on center mass and fire, when not point shooting. With adrenalin running high, trying to hit someone in the head, or “wound” them, is almost an impossibility so don’t consider it.

I carry a 380 Bersa with 90 grain Corbon JHPs. These rounds are the equal of a 38 special fired from a 2 inch firearm. In my car I have a 40 glock model 23 with 135 Winchester lawman JHPs. 13 shots verses 8 in the Bersa.

On the job I never fired my weapon except during training over 30 years. Off the job, I have had to display a weapon twice to protect myself, no shots were fired but the mere presense stopped what I knew to be a developing bad situation for me.

In summary, carry a firearm you are familiar with through practice, know when to use it, and be certain you can put your rounds on target for two reasons: the first is the only effective rounds are those that land, the second is every one that misses has a lawyer attached to it.

Be safe, be aware.


51 posted on 01/10/2011 12:44:27 PM PST by Mouton
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To: Qwackertoo
In light of the incident in FL, woman whacked shooter with her purse, and now in AZ and the woman grabbed the second clip before he could re-load . . . I'm a lady and carry a .380 Ruger LCP. I'm thinking it wouldn't do much good in these situations AND I'm thinking I could easily get myself shot IF the police or others thought I was the SHOOTER and not someone trying to help.

Carry a badge, one of the CCW badges will work fine. Pin it on the INSIDE of your wallet, and if you have to shoot, hold the wallet and badge over your head. If you're arrested for *impersonating* a police officer, see uif they can find a jury that'll convict you, being in fear of your life by virtue of being shot in the back by a cop.

Scary days we live in. Play dead OR try to take the shooter out?

Play scared, or cry. Then stick it into the bad guy/girl's ear, eye or mouth and pull that little lever thingie three or four times. If you're not close enough to hit him with the gun, thrown, you're not close enough to hit him with a handgun, not the first time.

Get a bigger gun? Nope. Practice more with what you got, or a .22 as like it as you can find. If you can handle a week away and a thousand bucks or so, arttend a serious shooting school, the equivalent of *rookie school* for a cop. I also own a Colt .357 but too big to carry much less conceal.

Little one on your body, bug one in your bag. Works fior me.

I think both of those two older ladies were quite brave in the face of grave danger in both of these shootings.

I doubt it. I suspect they just reacted instinctively as best they could, and afterward they had the shaking fits. They're likely PTSD candidates; those who've considered the realities of an up-close shooting and the aftermath are in much better shape.


52 posted on 01/10/2011 1:10:18 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Qwackertoo; yefragetuwrabrumuy

yefragetuwrabrumuy brings up a very important point. Carry a knife, you can bring it anywhere and I think it is easier to use when adrenaline takes over. Can be in a variety of holsters and very easy to conceal..

In the situation that happened in a crowd with all of you misses having very good chance of hitting someone. If you are behind the shooter getting as close as possible and then shooting him point blank or using a knife would probably be the safest approach. From the front you better find some cover first probably


53 posted on 01/10/2011 1:28:00 PM PST by dimk
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To: dimk
In my state, a knife large enough to do any good is considered a concealed weapon.

Problem with that is that a CCW in my state does not give you legal right to carry a knife, brass knucks, the usual martial arts hardware, etc., so a knife is a bad idea.

In the hands of one proficient, it is lethal. In the hands of the ordinary person: It is too likely that the bad guy will take it away from you and stick you with it.

As for the situation in AZ, I would have taken the position that the bad guy was going to shoot me so nothing to lose by shooting him...providing he was close. Bad idea to shoot from too far and miss.

As for carrying on school property...DO NOT.

If is my understanding that If you are caught in the PO or a bar, there is a fine...a misdemeanor. Caught in a school is a felony. You will lose your CCW.

If I misunderstand the law, will a real lawyer or LEO correct my statement.

54 posted on 01/10/2011 1:55:15 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Qwackertoo

Preparation, mental and physical, probably count as much or more than the weapon choice. It sounds as if you are doing a good job thinking the process through.

Sometimes people die from a .22 hit. Congresswoman Giffords is still alive after sustaining a serious head shot with a 9mm. I agree with posters who comment that a .380 in hand beats an AK-47 back at the ranch.

I CC either a .38 revolver or full size .45 but have concealment problems, especially in hot weather. I have been thinking about getting a .380 for that reason. My thinking is that ease of concealment would make it more likely that I would carry it at times I leave the others behind.


55 posted on 01/10/2011 2:07:44 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: Qwackertoo

if you own an LCP you should know the difference between a clip and a magazine


56 posted on 01/10/2011 2:25:07 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

I swear every time the elderly woman, the one that reached out to grab that mag described it as a “magazine” the news reporting was turning a shade of red because to them all bullets are in clips, pictures are in magazines.

I am very glad the one guy that was carrying didn’t make a poor decision and mistakenly shot one of the people that had wrestled the G19 away.


57 posted on 01/10/2011 2:37:47 PM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: Qwackertoo

Take a class from any reputable handgun trainer and stop worrying about it. These are folks like Massad Ayoob, Rob Pincus, Clint Smith, the folks at Gunsite or others of similar training. They will set you on the right path.


58 posted on 01/10/2011 2:48:45 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: All

My main CCW pistol is a Glock 26. It carries 11 rounds of 9mm is a very compact package with a trigger that helps you get accurate, consistent hits.

Mine is in an inside the waistband holster as we speak.


59 posted on 01/10/2011 2:51:13 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: paul51

My LCP has a clip. I thought a magazine was like one of those long curved ammo clips. I’m sorry I don’t know all brands and all things guns.

and from this article, sounds like lots of people make that mistake. I only said a magazine because that is what they said and called it on the news, and they didn’t show a photo of it.

http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html


60 posted on 01/10/2011 3:04:52 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo

oops I just switched them and can’t edit.


61 posted on 01/10/2011 3:16:39 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo
My LCP has a clip.

OK. Whatever you do, don't sell it. Somehow you managed to get your hands on the only one ever made

62 posted on 01/10/2011 3:24:38 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Qwackertoo
there you go. Now your cookin with gas!
63 posted on 01/10/2011 3:26:15 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Gen.Blather
Also, the 3.5 inch barrel means you will have a very hard time hitting a target at more than 10 feet.

I disagree profoundly. I sometimes carry a Ruger LCP and practice with it regularly. I use 5" pie plates at 7-10 yards (not feet). I have no problem hitting them.

I suggest practicing in this way:

Be careful and practice unloaded several times at first. You need to get in the practice of drawing your pistol without touching the trigger until it is on target. I prefer to carry in condition 3 (loaded magazine, but empty chamber). I guess it is a leftover from carrying a Glock. I don't want to accidentally catch the trigger and get a surprise. I draw, rack the slide, and then shoot. It takes 3-7 seconds to complete the entire drill.
64 posted on 01/10/2011 3:45:38 PM PST by Poser (Enjoying tasty animals for 59 years)
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To: Qwackertoo

The three most important words are accuracy, accuracy and accuracy.

Forget all the talk about +P loads and 125 grain versus 110 grain and all of that crap that the smoke-sniffers love so much. (Love ya, guys!) It’s fun to discuss but none if it matters when the volume gets turned up to LOUD.

Should the time come (heaven forbid) when you must draw and fire then the key becomes how precisely you can place that slug. One round, of any caliber or weight, placed accurately, WILL decide the argument.

Go to the range regularly and become intimate with your new friend. Shoot and shoot and shoot some more. Then go back in a week and do it again.

Accuracy. Never leave home without it.


65 posted on 01/10/2011 3:52:35 PM PST by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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To: Qwackertoo
I also recommend a double action revolver. It is simpler to use and has almost no risk of a malfunction. Pistols are much more likely to malfunction, and unlike a pistol, if your revolver has a defective round, all you have to do is pull the trigger again.


66 posted on 01/10/2011 3:54:08 PM PST by Poser (Enjoying tasty animals for 59 years)
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To: DNME

I didn’t realize how hard ammo was to get with the .380. I finally was able to buy another 400 rounds about a month ago, so now need to start practicing more with it after being laid up injured for about 4 months.


67 posted on 01/10/2011 4:25:30 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Poser

I had been thinking about getting a .38 but don’t know whether to get hammer or hammerless. The one you have pictured, how can it be double action without a hammer? Be gentle in your reply, remember I’m fairly new to various guns. :)

Back before kids, I was a member of a shooting club/range in Ft. Worth but at that time only practiced with my .357 and my little Browning .22 pistol. So I’ve been out of the shooting for about 16 years now as my oldest just turned 17 last week.


68 posted on 01/10/2011 4:29:21 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo
I have my NH CCW and I've tried lots of rounds and hardware. I recently had the opportunity to train with a tactical instructor who, when he's on the clock, trains SWAT guys.

My conclusion about caliber, muzzle velocity, &c &c &c?:

Get hits. Get lots of hits. Center mass, double tap, assess, one to the head.

The rounds you train with, the rounds you can hit with, THAT'S what you carry.

Four hits with a .22 beat four misses with a .44.

IMO.

69 posted on 01/10/2011 4:34:22 PM PST by Jim Noble (Third Bank of the United States: Ever wonder why they didn't call it that?)
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To: mnehring
A .38 is a great size and does have the stopping power for most situations.

Get hits.

Get lots of hits.

I just had the occasion to shoot what the guys called my "Europellet gun" (Glock 17) with two guys shooting .45ACP compact pistols in a tactical exercise under stress.

I got lots of hits. Lots more hits than the .45ACP guys.

In a gunfight, hits are the thing. If two hits don't work, get more.

70 posted on 01/10/2011 4:39:05 PM PST by Jim Noble (Third Bank of the United States: Ever wonder why they didn't call it that?)
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To: Jim Noble

Hell, the first hit is usually what counts which is why being comfortable and well practiced with your weapon is more important than the caliber used. If someone breaks into your home, even if the first hit doesn’t stop the perp, unless he is tweaked out on meth or something like that, it will make him think twice about getting hit a second time.


71 posted on 01/10/2011 4:49:48 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Qwackertoo

The hammer is internal. Single action means you cock the hammer manually and then press the trigger. Double action means you start with the hammer down and pull the trigger all the way to cock the hammer and shoot. Double action has a long, hard trigger pull. It is very difficult to accidentally pull the trigger. With single action, the trigger pull is *very* short and much easier to be accidental.

For novices, double action means they are very unlikely to have an accidental discharge and the prosecutor would have an extremely hard time claiming you had a hair trigger.


72 posted on 01/10/2011 6:05:12 PM PST by Poser (Enjoying tasty animals for 59 years)
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To: Qwackertoo
Regarding your thoughts on possibly getting a .38, there are some models with a shrouded hammer, which have some good qualities. Can be fired either DA or SA, and are less likely to snag when drawing the weapon, when compared with a fully exposed hammer model.

I like having both wheel guns and semi-autos, and I think you are wise to consider diversifying.

I also think it is wise of you to consider "What would I do?" in a situation such as the Arizona tragedy. Be prepared, but hope you never have to turn preparation into action.

73 posted on 01/10/2011 6:13:00 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Poser

Thank you for the information. I think I would feel more comfortable with the double action.


74 posted on 01/10/2011 6:44:03 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo
Example of what I described in # 73


75 posted on 01/10/2011 6:46:42 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I think I need to sign up for one of these tactical classes just for the training and confidence factor. IF, forbid I ever come in contact with some crazed killer, that would at least help with the panic, adrenalin (sp?) and total chaos, that I could at least defend myself and my kids and perhaps others. That would be more than I would get shooting by myself at the range and well worth the money and time to me.
Most states require much more than mine does to get the permit, which wasn’t much, which is good for the right to carry but maybe not so much for the confidence factor in a crisis.

Thank you for your information.


76 posted on 01/10/2011 6:49:37 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo

My state requires 8 hours of BS.

The legal part, like don’t shoot a guy after he is down or running away, could be covered in 2 hours.

This is the NRA course, by the way.

But there is no discussion of the real world.

In your case, I doubt that you will ever be in the Tuscon type confrontation. It is possible, as I expect terrorists to use the same tactics, but it is much more probable that it will be a one on one thing in a dark shopping center parking lot.

Not discussed at all in my state.

For instance, you come out of a restaurant at 10:00 PM and are walking across a dark parking area to your car.

Two spooky looking dudes are between your and your car. They are walking towards you looking intently at you...doesn’t look good.

They are 50 ft. away and at the rate of closure, your pace and theirs, you are going to meet in only 25 ft. so you have only a second or two to make a decision.

What will you do?.

Think hard about it because this is by far the most likely scenario.


77 posted on 01/10/2011 7:06:29 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Qwackertoo

“I had been thinking about getting a .38 but don’t know whether to get hammer or hammerless.”

IMO hammerless revolvers are a huge mistake. The ONLY potential advantage to them is they are snagless, however I have never had that problem even drawing from a pants pocket. They have a HUGE disadvantage, the loss of single action capability. Despite what you may hear, there are many scenarios (active shooters included) where the improved accuracy of shooting single action will be a big advantage. Not all encounters are at arms length or require an instantaneous draw and shoot. I strongly recommend against buying a crippled revolver with only DA capability. If you worry about snagging, put your thumb on or under the hammer as you draw and it will be impossible to snag.


78 posted on 01/11/2011 11:12:41 AM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: old curmudgeon

“Two spooky looking dudes are between your and your car. They are walking towards you looking intently at you...doesn’t look good. They are 50 ft. away and at the rate of closure, your pace and theirs, you are going to meet in only 25 ft. so you have only a second or two to make a decision. What will you do?.”

I have had this happen while carrying. My response was to pretend to have forgotten something in the store and then hurry back to retrieve it. When the spookies left I walked to my car (hand on gun in pocket).


79 posted on 01/11/2011 11:22:33 AM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: Conan the Conservative
That is probably the best although I would worry about turning my back on them.

I have thought of making a 90 degree right turn, thus putting my weapon on my protected side, away from them, and then watching to see if they altered course to intercept me.

The down side of that is if they do, then eventually you have to make the second decision, which could lead to a violent confrontation.

If they really are out to get you, it is more than likely that they will jump you from behind if you turn your back on them. That would depend a lot on how far you are from the store.

Only a few feet with good lighting, they probably would drop out.

Long ways away like some of the big malls or Walmart parking lots and they probably would jump you from behind.

Where returning is not a good option, I would make the 90 degree turn, put my hand on my pistol. If they continued an aggressive intercept, draw and hold it beside my leg out of their sight but at the ready. That eliminates the likely hood of being accused of pointing if they mean no harm.

But the real test comes when they get close enough that you have to tell them to back off.

And hope they are not deaf.

80 posted on 01/11/2011 11:39:11 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

That is sorta what I thought last night when I read the post, and that I would veer to the right or to the left and see what they did and put my hand on my weapon and be ready. Actually, IF I was walking out in a parking lot alone, that time of night, I would probably already have my keys in one hand and my other on or very close to my gun. For me, I don’t find myself out alone that time of night often, most recent years was going to a Kenny G Christmas Concert a year ago and a Mannheim this past December, as husband really doesn’t care to go . . . and usually there lots of others leaving . .. I’m more worried being stranded on the highway or someone breaking in but anything could happen. I’m going to look into a class for sure.


81 posted on 01/11/2011 11:57:50 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: old curmudgeon

“If they really are out to get you, it is more than likely that they will jump you from behind if you turn your back on them. That would depend a lot on how far you are from the store.”

I wasn’t happy about turning my back but I was close enough that they would have to run to approach me before I got there. If they started running I would have heard them and drawn. In any case my thought was to get to where I knew there would be other people thereby avoiding the attack. It also doesnt hurt to do something unexpected to disrupt their game plan. They were prepared to do a face to face intercept, that went out the window when I went back to the store. Afterward I considered it a success, I avoided a potential robbery attempt and didn’t have to shoot or even draw.

The right angle turn isnt bad, although you are still left in the open. You might get a little more warning about their intentions, but the encounter WILL take place.


82 posted on 01/11/2011 12:12:50 PM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: Qwackertoo
You should always have keys in hand before you get to your car.

And most important............

Always lock your doors immediately after entering the vehicle. Not after you put the key in the ignition, not after putting your packages down...

Immediately.

I once survived an attempted robbery/beating because I had my doors locked. They guy tried to start a conversation with me so I had my window down a few inches...it was a cold winter night.

I put my foot on the brake and saw another set of pant legs in the glow of the brake light and realized then that I was about to have a problem.

As I put the vehicle, a pickup truck, in gear the one at the window reached in over the window in an attempt to reach the door lock.

This was years ago, early ‘70’s, and the truck had mechanical windows. I grabbed the handle and rolled that window up so fast that I caught him by the elbow. I took him for a nice bit of road work up a steep hill and would not stop until I got to the top of the hill.

When I let him go, he had enough.

It is a long story and really worth telling, but the heart of it is that he tried to start a conversation with me during which he pulled a $20 out of his pocket, then asked me to open my door and put the light on it so I could tell him if it was counterfeit, which of course I refused on the grounds that I did not know a good one from a bad one, etc., and it was during that exchange that I put my foot on the brake.

Bottom line: You may meet a strong arm robber or one with a knife, but you are more likely to be met by one with a sad story about he needs his battery jumped off, he is out of gas, you have a flat on your right rear and need to look at it, etc.

So lock y our doors and THINK.

Cell phones make us much more safe if we can stay out of the guy's reach for a few minutes, which a locked door does for you. In the case of the flat tire story, you could rather than getting out, say something like “I'll just call the cops and ask them to help me.”

Remember, you might really have a flat tire because he let the air out of it. Women have been abducted with just that strategy.

83 posted on 01/11/2011 12:25:53 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Conan the Conservative

The right angle turn isnt bad, although you are still left in the open. You might get a little more warning about their intentions, but the encounter WILL take place.

Agreed.

You are certainly correct that avoiding an encounter is the only way to go if you can go that way.

You were in a good spot. But some of these parking lots are 200 to 300 yards across. That makes retreat much more problematic.


84 posted on 01/11/2011 12:30:49 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

Thank you for your post. I think I should take my just turned 17 last week daughter with me to a self-defense class and hammer this stuff home in her head. She is a smart girl but could easily be fooled by some creeper. I’ve always said, since she was only in 1st or 2nd grade and her younger brother was taking karate classes . . . that before she went off to college I would sign her up for something, not sure IF a local class offered by police officers would be sufficient or ??? what. That time has almost arrived, she is a jr. in high school.


85 posted on 01/11/2011 12:33:19 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo

I can’t advise on what course she should take.

Both of my daughter’s are older than you are. I know that because I have a granddaughter much older than your daughter.

Both of my daughters are very proficient with firearms of any sort.

As for karate, I always think of an old friend, a captain of detectives now retired, who advised me once that a .38 beats karate every time.

If she could master both, it would be ideal.


86 posted on 01/11/2011 12:43:51 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I think both would be ideal, since she can’t carry on a college campus. I’m not spring chicken myself, since I was a bit older when I had her. :)


87 posted on 01/11/2011 1:02:22 PM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: old curmudgeon
Caught in a school is a felony. You will lose your CCW.

Depends on location. They lifted that requirement in sacramento county last year for ccw holders.

88 posted on 01/11/2011 9:26:16 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: archy

Too bad no mentally prepped CCW person was on scene.


89 posted on 01/12/2011 5:19:20 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Too bad no mentally prepped CCW person was on scene.

Colonel Badger and Joe Zamudio appeaer to have done pretty well. The former Colonel reacted without hesitation, and the armed Zamudio held his fire once he saw that the shooter had been disarmed, and that opening fire could have injured those restraining the shooter or other bystanders.

Sometimes it is as important to not shoot as to shoot, particularly when dealing with those who take hostages or hide behind noncombatants.

Of course if there's a cop around, live or dead, they can be used for cover. There's a better than fair chance they're wearing a vest.

90 posted on 01/13/2011 11:42:07 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Just read your post...interesting...I tend to agree but I have no knowlege in weapons.

If you were a woman, seeking to protect herself, would your advice be the same? And what type of knife as most require you open them...by then someone could be all over you!


91 posted on 01/13/2011 7:10:00 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

In past I have proposed what might sound like an odd idea, and one that needs a little explanation, but could pretty much change the world in favor of women.

People, no matter the time or place, have a set of unwritten rules that are enforced by almost everyone. In the US, for example, just about everyone frowns on other people eating house pets. While it might be technically legal, most people will be very harsh to those who break this “social sanction”.

Most social sanctions are rather minor, but are widely enforced, such as how women raise girls, that “because they are girls” they must do some things, and not do other things.

Well, imagine one such rule added to the mix. That girls and women, in all times and places when in public, must carry a knife or bladed weapon, and if attacked by a boy or man, to cut them with it.

Why? “Because that is just what girls do.”

Once a certain number of women and girls begin to practice and teach this social sanction, it will cross over national borders like they were not there. And eventually, be she an impoverished rural girl in Africa, who carries a sharp piece of metal or broken glass; or a rich, self made executive woman in NYC, who keeps a razor sharp 440 stainless blade hidden on her person, among *enough* women, if not all, it will change the world.

Men lord it over women far too often with violence, and the threat of violence. But if women resist this violence, even a little bit, it crumbles. Men lose their “sense of control” over women, and women become just as important, and often more important. As a saying goes, “When women stand up, men sit down and shut up.”

At first, many girls would be injured and even killed by cutting a man who had attacked them. But they are injured and killed right now, without offering any resistance. Yet in short order, once the idea got around that women had knives or other bladed weapons, it would force a moment’s pause to the situation. And this matters.

If a man just has to pause for a moment, before attacking a woman because she *might* be armed and cut him, that pause alone will cause many men to not act in the first place. To decide that it is better to not attack, than to get cut, even a little.

When women carry knives or other bladed weapons, they will think both about them, and the circumstances in which they would cut a man. And such a chain of thought leads only in one direction: better capability when actually put in such a situation.

Some women, of course, would overdo it, either carrying a lot of knives, or grievously injuring or killing an aggressive male, but that is part of the deal, and the message, of the social sanction as well.

And it begins with just a single woman, who both accepts the idea that women should be armed and to defend themselves, and who teaches other girls and women she meets the same.


92 posted on 01/14/2011 9:09:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Eagle Eye
I once had a forum discusson with a freeper who claimed that he never left the house with less than 4 hi cap mags of .45 and his pistol. He wanted to be prepared to engage shooters in public places such as malls, etc. IMO, that isn’t enough if one really expects trouble but too much for mere self defense. If one really feels the need to prepare for four reloads, maybe one should think more carefully about where one travels and try more to avoid dangerous sitations?

I have been catching up on the volumes of threads from the Tucson incident and lo and behold, this post caught my eye.

I was that Freeper. Point of correction:
- It was 3 hi-cap mags of .40 cal.
- The example that I gave was not to engage shooters, but to remove my family from a total shtf scenario that develops into a mob situation...AND you may have to fight your way out of Dodge...AND it may take a while to get out of Dodge.
- As a peace officer who is commissioned by two law enforcement agencies, I may choose to engage an active shooter depending on the setting, law enforcement presence and if I did not have my family with me to protect. But that was not what we discussed on that thread.

Other than all that, you were sort of accurate in your representation of the thread content.

93 posted on 01/17/2011 11:08:41 PM PST by Ghengis
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