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Is Law School a Losing Game? (Yes!)
New York Times ^ | January 8, 2011 | DAVID SEGAL

Posted on 01/09/2011 5:40:41 AM PST by reaganaut1

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To judge from data that law schools collect, and which is published in the closely parsed U.S. News and World Report annual rankings, the prospects of young doctors of jurisprudence are downright rosy.

In reality, and based on every other source of information, Mr. Wallerstein and a generation of J.D.’s face the grimmest job market in decades. Since 2008, some 15,000 attorney and legal-staff jobs at large firms have vanished, according to a Northwestern Law study. Associates have been laid off, partners nudged out the door and recruitment programs have been scaled back or eliminated.

And with corporations scrutinizing their legal expenses as never before, more entry-level legal work is now outsourced to contract temporary employees, both in the United States and in countries like India. It’s common to hear lawyers fret about the sort of tectonic shift that crushed the domestic steel industry decades ago.

But improbably enough, law schools have concluded that life for newly minted grads is getting sweeter, at least by one crucial measure. In 1997, when U.S. News first published a statistic called “graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation,” law schools reported an average employment rate of 84 percent. In the most recent U.S. News rankings, 93 percent of grads were working — nearly a 10-point jump.

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Apparently, there is no shortage of 22-year-olds who think that law school is the perfect place to wait out a lousy economy and the gasoline that fuels this system — federally backed student loans — is still widely available. But the legal market has always been obsessed with academic credentials, and today, few students except those with strong grade-point averages at top national and regional schools can expect a come-hither from a deep-pocketed firm.

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We have too many lawyers, and law school graduates who can't find jobs will not be able to repay federally backed student loans. Why don't we simply END federal student aid for law school. People who want to attend should save on their own and/or get private loans.
1 posted on 01/09/2011 5:40:42 AM PST by reaganaut1
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...and law school graduates who can't find jobs will not be able to repay federally backed student loans.

Oh, they will. They will have to work for the govt. in ways and places they never dreamed.

2 posted on 01/09/2011 5:50:52 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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Are there any types of jobs in this country that are NOT vanishing???? I read somewhere — this country is dying; the economy at least. Becoming a 3rd world country is JUST around the corner — here in some big cities....


3 posted on 01/09/2011 5:51:35 AM PST by Jerrybob
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What do you call 10000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start.

What is the difference between a lawyer laying in the middle of the road and a snake laying in the middle of the road?

There are skid marks before the snake.


4 posted on 01/09/2011 5:52:06 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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Law school is a winning game ONLY if you are in the top 10% of your class or go to an Ivy League school. Otherwise, it is rare that someone who goes to law school gets a high paying job. These days, if you don’t go to a top 20 school and are at or below the middle of your class, you’ll end up unemployed with a huge debt.


5 posted on 01/09/2011 5:55:06 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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AWWW,TO bad for the lawyers who spend their lives finding ways to steal money from corporations(sue for false claims like the gulf oil producers,etc.) and from taxpayers(the perpetuation global warming scam) and from fellow citizens (slipped on the ice, sex scam cases at work, etc. etc. etc.) but very good for the health of the people who pay out to these base lawyers cheating the system at every turn they can devise. And so many scam lawyers become scam politicians, democrats and rinos the worst of all.
What do you call ten thousand lawyers chained together at the bottom of the sea?
A very good start indeed.
6 posted on 01/09/2011 5:56:41 AM PST by kindred (Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies.)
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What happens is so many students graduate and cannot find jobs that are suitable to their high standards. They then decide they want to be a lawyer.

Anyone that wants to go to law school can. There is more than enough money for them in the way of federal grants and loans. There is some sleazy school that will more than gladly accept their money.

The problem is that we don’t need more lawyers. We’ve got 20x what we need already. Colleges and universities are big-business and they want to keep their classrooms full. If someone cannot afford it, taxpayers pay for it even though we don’t need it.


7 posted on 01/09/2011 5:57:56 AM PST by boycott (CAL)
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Why not end the whole NEA with its dirty lawyers and teacher unions and regulators that destroy education and make children into the most evil of peoples,that is, liberals and rinos?


8 posted on 01/09/2011 5:58:18 AM PST by kindred (Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies.)
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Not too surprising, given the large number of lawyers there are.

What we need is for more people to become doctors, and fewer people to become lawyers. But as long as you have laws that restrict the number of doctors, you’re going to have more young people going into other professions.


9 posted on 01/09/2011 5:58:30 AM PST by Brilliant
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the Law is vehicle of control and suppression for the Feds. It is their most valuable tool.


10 posted on 01/09/2011 6:00:55 AM PST by mo
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Oh crap ...........now I'll never get a job! Wait a minute, I'm retired ............. TS colleagues, you're on your own out in this dog eat dog world! Happy hunting .........:O)
11 posted on 01/09/2011 6:01:39 AM PST by Old Badger (I still like Palin as she will take no prisoners and ___ the survivors.)
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Given the tremendous drag on the economy that lawyers are, this is a good sign.


12 posted on 01/09/2011 6:02:37 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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Lawyers are only trained to deal with other lawyers by a set of rules lawyers make for themselves.

I've never understood why they think so much of themselves.

13 posted on 01/09/2011 6:03:28 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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Lawyers have infested & perverted every aspect of our lives. Remember that at any given time trial Lawyers vote between 95 to 98% Democrat.

Democrats get more money from Trial Lawyer PAC’s than every other source combined.

Virtually all national & local Democrats are Lawyers.

If you ever stop to wonder why a company does some silly thing it is almost always because of Lawyers. I just bought a ladder that is covered top to bottom with stupid warning labels in 5 languages, like at 54 I do not know how to use a ladder without the help of a filthy lying liberal Democrat Lawyer.


14 posted on 01/09/2011 6:03:52 AM PST by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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What happens is so many students graduate and cannot find jobs that are suitable to their high standards. They then decide they want to be a lawyer.

I thought most lawyers just got bored selling used cars.


15 posted on 01/09/2011 6:04:39 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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One should not have to go to law school or be licensed by the bar to be a lawyer. It is corruption that created this barrier of entry.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 6:07:07 AM PST by JimWayne
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I thought most lawyers just got bored selling used cars.


So many are like used car salesmen. Some are good and some are bad. Either way, there’s just too many of them and they’re a burden on society.

Law schools should be putting out about 20% - 30% of their current number of lawyers. They’re not going to stop it, however, because it’s too profitable for them.


17 posted on 01/09/2011 6:21:17 AM PST by boycott (CAL)
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Here's a horrible fact that no law school dean will tell you..

...it's only worthwhile to go to law school if you graduate in the top ten percent and make Law Review.

That's why the powers that be made sure His Precious Oneness graduated in the top.

The lower ninety don't get job interviews, period.

18 posted on 01/09/2011 6:21:28 AM PST by Mamzelle
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Laws don't restrict the numbers of medical personnel (it's hard to be a nurse, too)--it's hard and expensive to educate medical personnel.

All you need to make a lawyer is a classroom, books, teacher...that's why there are so many basement walkdown law schools. You need a hugely expensive infrastructure to educate doctors, dentists, PAs...

So if you think some kind of guild system kept you out of medical school, you've been living a life of misguided resentment.

19 posted on 01/09/2011 6:26:03 AM PST by Mamzelle
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Actually, the laws do restrict the number of doctors, albeit indirectly. You need to be legally licensed, and in order to be licensed, you must (by law) graduate from an accredited medical school, and in order for a school to be accredited, it must receive the approval of something called the Liason Committee on Medical Education, which is a committee whose members are 1/3 appointed by the AMA, 1/3 appointed by the teaching hospitals, and 1/3 appointed by the medical schools themselves. The LCME uses its control over the accreditation process to restrict the capacity of the medical schools to accept medical students and reduce the number of graduates, which obviously ultimately reduces the number of doctors that can be licensed. They’ve been doing this for almost 100 years, and that has built up a significant distortion of the number of doctors relative to the population.


20 posted on 01/09/2011 6:34:49 AM PST by Brilliant
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