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1 posted on 12/23/2010 9:29:23 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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Big deal. Won't help them at all. The House will stop anything they start.

*And* it will destroy the Senate in terms of being more deliberate than the House, seriously weakening it in the overall scheme.

Shit dawg, go for it, losers.

42 posted on 12/23/2010 10:45:38 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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The Democrats play political hardball all the time, every time. They live for this. This is their whole life in the public sector. This is their idea of war.

The damned Republicans had better start understanding this.


46 posted on 12/23/2010 11:00:01 PM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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The best way to actually see a Marxist for what they are is very simple test.

The Ends Justify the Means.

Well, problem is that once this becomes the rules of the street game then no process will matter.

This will become a naked race for totalitarian power that may initiate violent conflict.

Might will make right, no process will have any meaning whatsoever, and America will have devolved into a 3rd world dictatorship.

Forget any thought of a Constitutional form of Government.


47 posted on 12/23/2010 11:01:28 PM PST by R0CK3T
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I can't find the original quotes, but I'm sure there were statements by Kennedy and others during the judicial filibusters of the Bush administration (or maybe it was the power-sharing from Lott, or the Democrat-suggested changing of the Senate Intelligence Committee staffing to become partisan) where leading Democrats said something to the effect of "If it was good enough for the 108th Congress, it is good enough for the 109th Congress."

Of course, that was when "good enough" was in the Democrats' best interests. Today, apparently, if it was good enough for the 111th Congress, it isn't good enough for the 112th Congress.

I wonder why?

-PJ

53 posted on 12/24/2010 12:36:11 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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I call BS.

Majority rule is American.


54 posted on 12/24/2010 12:38:48 AM PST by saltus (God's Will be done)
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1) This will have limited benefit to the Rats in 2011, because they won’t be able to pass any legislation without the House’s consent.
2) This could have enormous benefit to conservatives in 2013, assuming we win a Senate majority and the Presidency.
3) There is nothing in the Constitution about a filibuster.

Why oppose this? We’ll just be called hypocrites later.


57 posted on 12/24/2010 12:59:34 AM PST by cmj328
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RE:”The National Journal reports that Senate Democrats are laying the groundwork to chip away at the filibuster on January 5, 2011. They are going to push the idea that a simple majority of the Senate can abolish the filibuster rules, or radically change the rules, in a new Congress.

This was tonight's main topic on MSNBC, naturally they love the idea now not realizing that if these rules were in effect in 2001 the Bush tax cuts would had never expired and they would have got nothing in that Obama deal.

Conservative talk radio was calling for this over judges in 2006. Mark Levin even called filibustering judges by the minority unconstitutional on his show and in his book (he no longer uses that argument, guess why.)

Democrats have twice as many Senate Seats up in 2012 than Republicans so this is a dangerous game for them to play as it would have been for Republicans in 2006.

62 posted on 12/24/2010 1:25:49 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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Man, it sure is a good thing all those RINOs worked along side of those communists in the lame duck session.


66 posted on 12/24/2010 1:53:46 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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And at least 8 RINOs in the Senate will vote for it right along with them. Independent thinking and all.


67 posted on 12/24/2010 2:51:51 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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They can never stand down and enjoy the Christmas holidays like most Americans, can they... they`re always probing.. never sleeping... never resting... looking for new areas to attack and destroy. Just like muslims and cancer.. that`s the treacherous Left.


69 posted on 12/24/2010 3:00:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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And 13 Republicans will join them to make it bi0partisan. I only wish I could turn off the sarcasm.


72 posted on 12/24/2010 3:27:33 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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This is a naked power grab by liberals in the Senate pure and simple.

The libs have got to sense their own demise. They have got to know that they are hated. This is a politically suicidal move that will advance their power for only a short time.

82 posted on 12/24/2010 5:25:42 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (If raising taxes on an activity reduces such an activity, let's tax liberalism to death.)
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They are going to push the idea that a simple majority of the Senate can abolish the filibuster rules, or radically change the rules, in a new Congress.

Why can't they?

Of course they can. There are very few unchecked powers granted by us in the Constitution, but the power of each House to make its own rules is one of them.

Of course, since the Democrats are going to be in the minority for a generation starting in January 2013, they would perhaps be unwise to do this - but "the idea that a simple majority of the Senate can abolish the filibuster rule" doesn't have to be "pushed" - it's just the simple truth.

83 posted on 12/24/2010 5:32:34 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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sooooo the Republican House needs to gridlock the heck out of everything....


85 posted on 12/24/2010 5:33:45 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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Obama will continue in his agenda...and he doesn’t need nor care about Congress. They just haven’t figured that out yet.


89 posted on 12/24/2010 6:07:41 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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I don’t believe they can change Senate rules without 67 votes. Besides, even if they did, it won’t help them. Republicans could very easily have a majority after 2012.


96 posted on 12/24/2010 6:24:41 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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These guys better be careful what they wish for. Odds are pretty high that they will lose their majority in 2012.


104 posted on 12/24/2010 6:43:22 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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With this and the abuse of reconciliation it should be open season on Democrats when the GOP retakes the Senate.


106 posted on 12/24/2010 6:58:01 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Any “Senate Rules” experts.... it would seem to change a rule requires more than a simple majority, maybe even a 2/3’s majority. No?

The dems must be counting on the Pack-o-RINOS, otherwise just another poorly thought out dingyharry BS trip.


108 posted on 12/24/2010 7:13:07 AM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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Senate Democrats Poised for Power Grab

Proving yet again that Dimocrats do not understand the first rule of politics which is:

When you find yourself in a hole STOP DIGGING!!!

114 posted on 12/24/2010 7:59:39 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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