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The Shadow War (Someone is killing Iran’s nuclear scientists)
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Posted on 12/13/2010 9:00:23 PM PST by roses of sharon

The covert operations that target Iran’s nuclear program suddenly came to light with explosive violence and stunning implications for the future of warfare on Nov. 29.

On that Monday morning, dawn had just broken over a bustling Tehran......among rows of new and half-finished apartment blocks, the nuclear physicist Majid Shahriari was working his way through rush-hour traffic with his wife and bodyguard in his Peugeot sedan. A motorcycle pulled up beside the scientist’s car. Nothing extraordinary about that. But then the man on the bike stuck something to the outside of the door and sped away. When the magnetically attached bomb went off, its focused explosion killed Shahriari instantly. It wounded the others in the car but spared their lives. A clean hit.

Only a few minutes later and a few miles away, in a leafy neighborhood in the foothills of the Alborz Mountains, again a motorcycle pulled alongside the car of another scientist, Fereydoun Abbasi Davani. A longtime member of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Abbasi Davani was named specifically in a United Nations sanctions resolution as “involved in nuclear or ballistic missile activities.” Sensing what was about to happen, he stopped the car, jumped out, and managed to pull his wife to safety before the bomb went off.

That same morning, in Israel, where many see Iran’s nuclear program as a threat to the very existence of the Jewish state, nobody celebrated the Tehran attacks publicly. Nobody claimed responsibility. But nobody denied it, either. And as it happened, that was the morning Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that Meir Dagan would be stepping down after eight years directing the Mossad and its secret operations against Iran. Under a photograph of Shahriari’s thoroughly perforated Peugeot, one of Israel’s tabloids ran the headline LAST SHOT FOR DAGAN?

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KEYWORDS: mossad; nucleariran
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But a computer worm may be the scarier threat....Some press reports suggest that Stuxnet, too, is an Israeli weapon. They point to Tel Aviv’s prowess in computer science, especially in highly secretive groups like Unit 8200, the Israeli military’s legendary cyber outfit. They point to some code in Stuxnet that might suggest the date on which a prominent Jewish businessman was executed in Tehran in 1979, or the name “Myrtus,” which could be construed as a reference to Esther, the biblical Jewish queen of Persia who stopped a genocide, and so on.

1 posted on 12/13/2010 9:00:25 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

If it is Israeli, at least the good guys have it.


2 posted on 12/13/2010 9:03:53 PM PST by unkus
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To: roses of sharon

That is real a shame\s


3 posted on 12/13/2010 9:05:12 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: roses of sharon
Someone is killing Iran’s nuclear scientists

Act of God! And he is just warming up.

4 posted on 12/13/2010 9:08:40 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: roses of sharon

Thank God someone is killing Iran’s nuclear scientists. We all know what they intend to do with it.

When you have a country full of people that salivate at the chance to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ it ain’t for regular power plants.

And it is OUR problem because if WE (USA) aren’t out of the way, they won’t do it. The first people hit will be us by a high altitude burst for the EMP knockout. THEN Israel’s next.

I hope whoever’s taking them out are incredibly blessed and successful. May they get every single one they attempt to go after, and then some. May STUXNET screw up their systems forever. God bless whoever built that.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 9:14:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: roses of sharon

Kill a hand full of scientists now or see 400,000 civilians die in a nuclear war. Your choice.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 9:14:15 PM PST by garjog
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To: roses of sharon

Don’t forget the bio and chem guys either.


7 posted on 12/13/2010 9:15:56 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: roses of sharon

Esther not only stopped a genocide of the jews under the Medes/Persians, the jews were able to arm themselves and defend themselves against ANYONE who would come up against them. It literally turned the tables on all those folks who were just hoping to be able to come out under the force of law and gut the jews.


8 posted on 12/13/2010 9:16:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: roses of sharon
Yeah, it's amazing that the group who holds the most Nobel Prizes, patents, and record for longevity in the face of concerted genocide doesn't just roll over and take the pain without significant counter-measures being activated...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

9 posted on 12/13/2010 9:22:49 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Iran has no means of delivering an EMP knockout.


10 posted on 12/13/2010 9:24:39 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: roses of sharon

How many virgins will the guys on the motorcycles get?


11 posted on 12/13/2010 9:25:44 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: arrogantsob

Who would gain the most if they did?


12 posted on 12/13/2010 9:30:11 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: roses of sharon

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13 posted on 12/13/2010 9:31:48 PM PST by PMAS
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To: huldah1776

I’m sure the idea appeals to many across the globe. But the better question is who would try such a thing?


14 posted on 12/13/2010 9:35:47 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: roses of sharon

Well that’s a shame....


15 posted on 12/13/2010 9:42:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: roses of sharon

Well that’s a shame....


16 posted on 12/13/2010 9:43:12 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: roses of sharon
There's more than one way to skin a cat, it turns out..
Nice to see that the alternatives to daisycutters and million dollar smart bombs may just be worms and mopeds.

Now, as to the deaths of the scientists themselves: Where did I put that definition of Schadefreude again?
17 posted on 12/13/2010 9:47:07 PM PST by Acrobat (Remind me again why I moved from Washington to California?)
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To: roses of sharon

CIA/Mossad cooperation?


18 posted on 12/13/2010 9:47:58 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

Mossad, yep. CIA, nope, too stupid.


19 posted on 12/13/2010 9:53:31 PM PST by biff
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To: Thunder90

CIA/Mossad cooperation?


CIA....probably not. If 0bama and his crowd got wind of something like that, the’d leak it to The New York Times right away and stop it ASAP..


20 posted on 12/13/2010 9:53:31 PM PST by unkus
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To: arrogantsob

Missile launched on converted barge ship in international waters. Something they’ve been practicing for several years. They’ve gotten new missile technology from N Korea over the recent years. It is not out of the realm of possibility. All they need is the weaponized uranium.


21 posted on 12/13/2010 9:58:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: unkus
I could almost see the Saudis having a little hand in this.
22 posted on 12/13/2010 9:59:52 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: roses of sharon; nw_arizona_granny; PGalt; TWhiteBear; Mossad1967; caww; jersey117; blueyon; ...
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The Shadow War (Someone is killing Iran’s nuclear scientists)

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23 posted on 12/13/2010 10:01:50 PM PST by LucyT (Merry, Merry Christmas to All FRiends; everyone else receives a lump of Coal.)
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To: Thunder90

Not the CIA, if Obama has anything to do with it, he WANTS a nuclear Iran.

His goal?

To reduce Israeli and US power.


24 posted on 12/13/2010 10:02:41 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: LucyT

Someone at a certain building in Tel Aviv. A three year old could figure this out.


25 posted on 12/13/2010 10:04:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Sounds good for a book plot but not a likely real situation.


26 posted on 12/13/2010 10:33:15 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Good article from Newsweek regarding the motorcycle bombers and the Stuxnet worm. There are definitely some unsung heros lurking around Iran’s nuclear program.


27 posted on 12/13/2010 10:47:29 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: unkus

It would be to their BFF leftileak.


28 posted on 12/13/2010 10:49:40 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Thunder90

You’ll know it is the CIA when they:

a) blow themselves up,
b) leaving behind their laptop with all sorts of US secrets on the hard drive, in the clear,
c) and they hit the wrong target to boot.


29 posted on 12/13/2010 11:00:03 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Thunder90

“CIA/Mossad cooperation?”

Two Israeli girl scouts could take a bus to Langley and ruinate the entire CIA with a sack of rubber bands.

The CIA have proved that once competence reaches zero, it is actually possible to break through to some quantum realm of anti-competence. Do de name Plame ring a bell? And she was their stud.

Pack of leftard, shiny-loafered, chair-warming, time serving capons. I wouldn’t trust a single one of them to go to McDonalds on a lunch run and get the orders right.

We need to fire each and every one of them, top to bottom, then find our generation’s Wild Bill Donovan and have him rebuild it.


30 posted on 12/13/2010 11:04:30 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: roses of sharon

That’s the beauty of Stuxnet. It apparently did more than overspeed the gas centrifuges, it also swept up information about the program (including the names of the players) and sent it back to home base. The entire Iran nuke program is compromised and Israel now knows where all the facilities are and who is running day-to-day affairs.


31 posted on 12/13/2010 11:14:21 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Texas Fossil

Agree


32 posted on 12/13/2010 11:46:57 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: roses of sharon

Can we all collectively breathe a sigh of relief?


33 posted on 12/14/2010 12:13:12 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Acrobat
"Nice to see that the alternatives to daisycutters and million dollar smart bombs may just be worms and mopeds"

Asymmetric warfare

34 posted on 12/14/2010 1:05:41 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: roses of sharon

Two scientists do mot make a pogrom...Let me know when 70% of the Bushier plant staff have been wiped out.


35 posted on 12/14/2010 1:32:05 AM PST by DGHoodini (This is the guy e)
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To: sinanju

Oh wow...I can live with that!


36 posted on 12/14/2010 1:44:15 AM PST by caww
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To: roses of sharon

They were aliens from another planet, they were sent here through a “Stargate”.

They have the powers of seeing Earths future, though they cannot tell those of Earth what the future will be they can act as agents to prevent the future collision of those that gain power and can travel back to their planet with evil intentions.


37 posted on 12/14/2010 1:47:57 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: roses of sharon
I wonder who it could be?


38 posted on 12/14/2010 3:01:17 AM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: roses of sharon

Makes me think maybe I’madinnerjug is rebelling against the New World Order rulers. Maybe. Not obeying them?


39 posted on 12/14/2010 3:39:34 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: arrogantsob
"Iran has no means of delivering an EMP knockout."

But why would they even bother with EMP, assuming for a minute they could get it to work? Are they going to invade after the attack? Wouldn't a conventional nuke delivered by boat to some harbor serve their purposes just as well?

And not even in their wildest dream can they expect to knock out our entire retaliation force. Allah better have a real good supply of virgins on hand.

40 posted on 12/14/2010 3:42:34 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"Missile launched on converted barge ship in international waters. Something they’ve been practicing for several years. They’ve gotten new missile technology from N Korea over the recent years. It is not out of the realm of possibility. All they need is the weaponized uranium."

And a whole bunch of testing or computer time to get any kind of efficient explosion (not that they would necessarily care).

Wonder if Stuxnet also attacks nuclear computer simulations? Stuxnet II?

41 posted on 12/14/2010 3:51:00 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: arrogantsob

Iran has no means of delivering an EMP knockout.

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You mean *yet.*


42 posted on 12/14/2010 4:00:41 AM PST by Ghotier
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To: sinanju

That wasn’t STUXNET, that was Wikileaks.... :0D


43 posted on 12/14/2010 4:03:08 AM PST by Ghotier
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To: HangThemHigh
But why would they even bother with EMP, assuming for a minute they could get it to work? Are they going to invade after the attack? Wouldn't a conventional nuke delivered by boat to some harbor serve their purposes just as well?

And not even in their wildest dream can they expect to knock out our entire retaliation force. Allah better have a real good supply of virgins on hand.


The point is to kill as many as possible - the more blood the better -— doesn't matter whose - Americans, Israelis, Italians (in Rome) or Iranians - the blood in sufficient quantities is what will lore the little guy (the 12th Imam) out of the well he disappeared into 1000+ years ago. and herald the Global Caliphate which will bring the entire human race into glorious Paradise (by killing everyone).

The ruling mullahs are real 1st class wack jobs - they do not want a military victory as you might indicate, they just want millions dead. Obtaining and using nuclear weapons are just the means to that end.

44 posted on 12/14/2010 4:15:26 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: PIF

Yes. That is pretty much the point I was trying to make, that their aim is to damage us or our interests in whatever way possible.

However, I don’t think the mullahs are crazy enough to start a nuclear war with only one or two nukes that they can only deliver by boat. The way I see it, the mullahs/imams are basically politicians. Their rise to power was calculated, ergo they aren’t completely insane.


45 posted on 12/14/2010 5:09:59 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: LucyT; roses of sharon; All

Thanks for the ping; post; thread. Very interesting.


46 posted on 12/14/2010 5:57:25 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PIF
"...But why would they even bother with EMP, assuming for a minute they could get it to work?..."

Because it is a choice between killing thousands now, or millions over the longer term.

a HEMP attack can affect an area of thousands of square miles. A ground blast, maybe tens of square miles.

A HEMP attack cn disable all or most electronic items over those thousands of square miles, and while it may not kill anyone in the immediate, there would be no more electricty to run the infrastructure, so no gasoline, no water, no hospitals, no police, no ambulance, no news from the outside word, no anything-that relies-on-electricity.

I posit that a HEMP attack would have a far larger impact on America than a localized nulcear burst. If I were Iran, I would consider it the best bang for the buck, especially since they will only possess one and at best two nuclear weapons.

47 posted on 12/14/2010 6:34:34 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: arrogantsob
Iran has no means of delivering an EMP knockout.

zatso?

We told ourselves that Japanese couldn't fly airplanes because they had no natural sense of balance.

How'd that work out for us?

48 posted on 12/14/2010 6:39:55 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 692 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG2aJyIFrA#t=1m53s


49 posted on 12/14/2010 6:45:00 AM PST by Krankor (man we just fell about the place if that chick don't wanna know forget her)
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To: roses of sharon
I recently saw the movie "Munich" 'about the Israeli government's secret retaliation attacks after the massacre of Israeli athletes by Black September militant group during the 1972 Summer Olympics.'

I'd recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it.

It looks like Israel has to go the covert route with mossad because they know Hussein and the rest of his Commie jew hating leftists in his Administration would put the kibosh on any overt military action. Ogabe probably told BB he'd shoot his planes out of the sky.

דֶּרֶךְ צְלֵחָה to Israel......kill them all, let allah sort em out.

50 posted on 12/14/2010 7:41:26 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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