Posted on 12/09/2010 7:56:44 AM PST by spirited irish
Teaching Natural Selection in Stalin's USSR, or genes and chromosomes for that matter, got you thrown in prison, and out of a job. My teacher in Molecular Genetics was banned from teaching in the U.S.S.R. for being suspected of accepting Darwin's theory. Ronald Reagan (”who shall live always in my prayers” he would say) asked for him BY NAME and the USSR allowed him to come to the USA.
You should read his book and learn something about history before you make yourself look like even more of a fool.
Lysenko and the Tragedy of Soviet Science- Valery Soyfer
Here is a snippet from another source about how far from “embracing” Darwinism, it was a punishable offense under Stalin.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/21228-russia
Following a speech he gave at a conference in 1948 denouncing Mendelian genetics as “reactionary and decadent”, Lysenko rose to prominence. Geneticists who opposed Lysenkoism were dispatched to the gulag as “enemies of the Soviet people”. Most confessed to their “errors” in propounding Mendel's and Darwin's teachings - and, consequently, kept their jobs.
How very odd that you who embrace Darwinism with its’ moral relativism would accuse me-—or anyone for that matter-—of lying.
It really matters not what Stalin or any of his legion of liars later claimed about Darwinism. The Soviet Union was an empire of evil, and there was neither truth nor righteousness to be found there.
Be that as it may, Stalin certainly did embrace Darwin’s theory, if only because it negated God the Father. Darwin’s theory has that effect, as EO Wilson also testifies:
“As were many persons from Alabama, I was a born-again Christian,” wrote Harvard professor E.O. Wilson in a 1982 article for The Humanist.
“When I was fifteen, I entered the Southern Baptist Church with great fervor and interest in the fundamentalist religion; I left at seventeen when I got to the University of Alabama and heard about evolutionary theory.”
That’s a pretty good summary of what happened to the baby boom generation.
Historically, Darwinism has had some deadly effects, especially beyond our shores. Karl Marx said: “Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history.”
Soviet dictator Josef Stalin murdered millions. In 1940, a book was published in Moscow entitled “Landmarks in the Life of Stalin.” In it we read:
At a very early age, while still a pupil in the ecclesiastical school, Comrade Stalin developed a critical mind and revolutionary sentiments. He began to read Darwin and became an atheist.
G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin’s, relates:
“I began to speak of God. Joseph heard me out, and after a moment’s silence, said:
“’You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. ...’
“I was astonished at these words. I had never heard anything like it before.
“’How can you say such things, Soso?’ I exclaimed.
“’I’ll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,’ Joseph said.
“’What book is that?’ I enquired.
“’Darwin. You must read it,’ Joseph impressed on me.”
Darwin’s theory is many things-—great alternative “anti-creation” account; Gnostic myth; license to reject God the Father; just-so story (to use Lewontin’s term)-—and none of them qualify as empirically verifiable science.
He who embraces Darwin’s theory embraces the Lie. Perhaps that is why Darwin himself wondered if his “theory” was in fact the Devil’s Gospel?
Lest there be another accusation of “lying,” the quoted text is from James Perloff’s “The Case Against Darwin,” Feb. 20, 2001, WND
You lie blatantly when you say Stalin embraced Darwinism. If you taught Darwinian evolution in Stalin's USSR you were sent to Siberia and/or executed.
That is the truth. Your idea that anybody who accepts a scientific theory is a moral relativist is as ludicrous as your previous idiotic assumption that anybody who accepts a scientific theory is an atheist.
Do you know that the current Pope says of evolution that “there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being and such”?
Do you think the Pope is a moral relativist?
Darwinism appeals to a lot of bad men:
“Making a monkey out of Darwin”
Excerpt
That Darwinism has proven “disastrous theory” is indisputable.
“Karl Marx loved Darwinism,” writes Windchy. “To him, survival of the fittest as the source of progress justified violence in bringing about social and political change, in other words, the revolution.”
“Darwin suits my purpose,” Marx wrote.
Darwin suited Adolf Hitler’s purposes, too.
“Although born to a Catholic family, Hitler become a hard-eyed Darwinist who saw life as a constant struggle between the strong and the weak. His Darwinism was so extreme that he thought it would have been better for the world if the Muslims had won the eighth century battle of Tours, which stopped the Arabs’ advance into France. Had the Christians lost, (Hitler) reasoned, Germanic people would have acquired a more warlike creed and, because of their natural superiority, would have become the leaders of an Islamic empire.”
Charles Darwin also suited the purpose of the eugenicists and Herbert Spencer, who preached a survival-of-the-fittest social Darwinism to robber baron industrialists exploiting 19th-century immigrants.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=102589
Stalin rejected Darwinian evolution as being too capitalistic and embraced Lysenkoism-Lamarkianism instead. Teaching or acceptance of Natural Selection, genes, or chromosomes was reason for arrest and prosecution as an enemy of the revolution.
Hitler was a creationist who believed in fixed kinds and that man was directly created by God.
“The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger.” (Mein Kampf, vol. i, ch. xi)
“Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise.” - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i
Obama says he’s a Christian, LOL.
So to add to the absolute untruth that Stalin was a “Darwinist”, when he was a “Lamarkian” you add the absolute untruth that Hitler was a “Darwinist” when in his own words he was a creationist.
Creationists cannot seem to tell the truth about history or science.
But perhaps one can excuse their untruths as originating through ignorance rather than overt malice; because creationists are most common among the least educated segments of our population.
The point is, bad men always claim to be good men.
You know them by their Darwinian fruits.
The other point is that creationists need to lie and misrepresent both science and history in order to try to make their half-assed appeal to consequences fallacy.
An additional point is that creationists are most common among the least educated segment of society, and creationist sources make good use of this by peddling lies and disinformation.
Please provide a link to the source of your information.
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” is also from Mein Kamph
The will of the Almighty Creator? Sure sounds like a “Darwinist” who rejects the existence of God to me! THAT must of been why he was so evil, because he rejected the God that he thought he was doing the will of, that was Almighty, and that was his Creator.
Hitler said, on signing the Nazi-Vatican Concordat, April 26, 1933: “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . .” So apparently he agreed that a secular education would lead to moral decay! ;)
Please provide links to your sources.
Which quotes or statements of mine do you suggest are in error? I have been quite specific. I know it must be quite a blow to what creationist sources have taught you, but have you lost yourself so much that you cannot recognize the truth when you see it?
http://www.amazon.com/Lysenko-Tragedy-Soviet-Science-Valery/dp/0813520878
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
http://www.hitler.org/speeches/
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kampf.html
First page has...
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord [p. 60].
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian
That one has....
“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith”
I expect you to backup your claims in a way that can be easily verified. I do it all the time.
I’m willing to discuss them with you but I don’t know you from Adam and I’m not going to read every Hitler speech.
I don’t know what you mean by “creationist”. If you’re trying to say Hitler was a Christian then I know you’re wrong. So, please, clarify your point in words a low person like I am can understand.
Do I have to explain to you how you can google any quote I provided and find it yourself?
These are all well known quotes. I am surprised at your utter ignorance of their existence..... or maybe not.
Sheesh - I got very overwhelmed again and didn’t ping this out. I always like to read these article carefully before pinging them but lately - it’s as though my days are getting compressed...
I’ll ping it out tomorrow morning.
Thank you so much for pinging me to these articles. Haven’t seen many lately.
Anybody can 'claim' to be anything. Hitler was a lunatic, and evil. There was nothing Christ led about his attempt to play 'god'. There are lies and then there are lies. There is no bigger lie than to claim without one shred of evidence that flesh man of this flesh age once upon a time originated out of a hot steaming pot of primordial soup. Talk about knowledge of good and evil.
Neither was Stalin an embracer of Darwin's theory. Teaching natural selection made you an enemy of the revolution in Stalin's Soviet Russia.
The entire argument here is to conflate evolution through natural selection and atheism, make an argument that is guilt by association and the fallacy of an appeal to consequences; and to attempt to support that insipid argument with outright LIES and historic inaccuracies.
That is what the creationist is reduced to. Pitiful.
Most Christian faiths have no problem at all with acceptance of science, including evolution, paleontology, plate tech-tonics, radioisotope decay, astronomy, and all the other fields that creationists cannot let stand untroubled, because they ALL conflict with what they would prefer to believe about the natural world.
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