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Car Plows Into Group of Cyclists in Italy, 8 Dead (Driving While High On Pot)
Yahoo News ^ | 12/4/2010 | Yahoo News

Posted on 12/05/2010 7:51:17 AM PST by Dallas59

ROME – A speeding car plowed head-on into a group of cyclists in southern Italy on Sunday morning, killing eight of them, officials said. The driver had been smoking marijuana, police said.

Bent, mangled bikes were strewn about the scene, and the sheet-draped corpses dotted the two-lane road near Lamezia Terme, in the Calabrian "toe" of boot-shaped Italy where the accident occurred.

In addition to the eight cyclists killed, four people were injured, said Gianluca Gioia, a spokesman for ANAS, the agency that runs Italy's state roads and highways. Police confirmed the toll.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: accident; death; italy; marijuana; maryjane; moroccan; morocco; morroco; muzzie; pot

1 posted on 12/05/2010 7:51:26 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Another terrible trageday. It is time for bicycles to banned from the roads.


2 posted on 12/05/2010 7:53:07 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Dallas59
Senseless and easily preventable --
3 posted on 12/05/2010 7:54:33 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: BenLurkin

and all the wasted drivers too.


4 posted on 12/05/2010 7:56:05 AM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: Dallas59

I’ve told the “it’s no worse than booze” crowd for years, that is no reason to increase the pollution level of the culture.


5 posted on 12/05/2010 7:58:10 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: Dallas59
REUTERS images:


6 posted on 12/05/2010 7:59:05 AM PST by maggief
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To: BenLurkin

>It is time for bicycles to banned from the roads.

Nonsense. Ban Italian drivers.


7 posted on 12/05/2010 7:59:17 AM PST by bkepley
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To: headstamp 2

MORROCON NATIONAL of course is buried into the article.


8 posted on 12/05/2010 8:07:27 AM PST by nikos1121 (Praying for the big -24 today and -27 by the end of the month.)
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To: All

I smoked weed in my youth.
Anyone who says marijuana doesn’t impair judgment and/or reflexes is a liar....and stoned.....
Having said that, this is indeed a tragedy and I hope the many bikers on Freerepublic aren’t as arrogant and irresponsible as the hordes I have the misfortune to run across (I know, poor choice of words) on a regular basis...


9 posted on 12/05/2010 8:13:50 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: BenLurkin
Another terrible trageday. It is time for bicycles to banned from the roads.

I'm surprised a medium sized car did so much damage. I was expecting an evil SUV.

10 posted on 12/05/2010 8:18:44 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: G Larry
I’ve told the “it’s no worse than booze” crowd for years, that is no reason to increase the pollution level of the culture.

We are so lucky to have you nanny staters looking after us.

11 posted on 12/05/2010 8:21:34 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Paleo Conservative

This is one area where i side with the “lifestyle” regulators: driving is a privilege, not a “right”. Russia, France and Scandinavia have ZERO tolerance for any alcohol or drugs in the driver’s bloodsteam - it should be the same in the US, as well as a ban on cellphone use or texting while driving. When things like this happen, it needlessly ruins lives; not just of those killed for no reason but for the driver (if they have a conscience of any type) and the families left behind.


12 posted on 12/05/2010 8:23:55 AM PST by laconic
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To: nikos1121; bkepley; maggief; Maverick68; headstamp 2; Dallas59; G Larry
A police spokesman who declined to give his name said the man, a Moroccan national, had tested positive for marijuana."

Not that it matters. There are just so many permutations of Mohammed, Achmed, Hussein, etc. Of course if the alleged suspect had had a European sounding name, he would have been named.

13 posted on 12/05/2010 8:28:03 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Nevertheless, if you have been to Italy you must know that Italian drivers should be banned.


14 posted on 12/05/2010 8:32:05 AM PST by bkepley
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To: laconic

“as well as a ban on cellphone use or texting while driving. “

I have a cell phone for one reason only. I’m on 24 hour, 365 days a year emergency call for a Public Utility that I’ve operated for thirty years. If a ban on cell phone use in cars is instituted, I better get an “exemption” sticker for my car! Same goes for Doctors, emergency workers, etc., etc..


15 posted on 12/05/2010 8:35:06 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dallas59

Here’s my take (or toke): Let Californica legalize it. If we can get results like this on the 405 it won’t take long to decimate the state. We just might be able to shut the whole mess down, turn off the lights and NOT have to bail out these mutants!


16 posted on 12/05/2010 8:38:47 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: laconic

To a large point you are right, driving is not a right, it is rarely taken as seriously as it should be. Actually driving “under the influence” should be zero tollerance, but with a some realistic consideration that having a drink is not drunk driving. That problem of how to honestly determine “under the influence” needs to be cleared up. The current tests, for drinking is crazily too low threshhold brought on by the MADD deep-enders and the pot tests don’t seem to differentiate between toking 10 days ago and just prior to running over cyclists.

This particular incident doesn’t sound like too much pot was the cause. Most tokers I have known tended to slow down
not speed up and tended to be overly cautious. Little doubt that 3rd world driver, narrow curvy European roads, rounding a curve and finding cyclers ALL over the damn road and SOP speeding could have been major factors.


17 posted on 12/05/2010 8:48:30 AM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Dallas59
A police spokesman who declined to give his name said the man, a Moroccan national, had tested positive for marijuana.

I'm thinking that the pot relaxed his inhibitions just enough to unlease his inner jihadi...

18 posted on 12/05/2010 8:48:55 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

What’s wrong with pulling off the road to text or use a cell phone? One report calls driving while using the hand held phone four times more dangerous than DUI. Thanks only to very surprising physical coordination on my part, I averted by about two feet a head-on collision with a group of teenagers a few months ago who veered into my lane at about 70 mph while the driver was texting; I turned the wheel of my SUV 90 degrees at 60 mph, went down an embankment and am lucky not to have rolled over. I wasn’t angry; and was most happy that they were not hurt.


19 posted on 12/05/2010 8:52:30 AM PST by laconic
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To: BenLurkin

Why should a human powered 2 wheeled vehicle traveling at 30 MPH be banned from the road but a 2 wheeled motor powered vehicle traveling at the same speed be allowed on those same streets, even though the results are roughly the same: idiot driver doesn’t see either vehicle and runs both over and gives the same excuse? (I just didn’t see them). If you can’t see a cyclist, you shouldn’t drive on a public road that’s designed for public traffic.


20 posted on 12/05/2010 8:55:22 AM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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To: Dallas59

Colorado is now dealing with the issue of how soon after smoking pot a person should be allowed to drive a car.

Unintended consequences.....of course not. They wanted the money, knew the risks, but didn’t give a damn about the rest of the citizens.

Frankly, my dear, I don’t want my school bus driver smoking pot.


21 posted on 12/05/2010 8:56:18 AM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative
Perspicacity is indeed a problem for motorcycle riders. The cases I've worked on involving dead and injured cyclists and bikers do differ however in the types of injuries they sustain. The bikers tended to go face first into things (such as turning vehicles). The cyclists tended to be getting run over (as by large trucks).

Bikers also have two advantages over the hapless cyclists (who really should not be on the road). 1) Bikers can power away from careless motorists and 2) bikers are easier to hear. “Loud pipes save lives”.

22 posted on 12/05/2010 9:03:16 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Paleo Conservative

MOROCCAN NATIONAL, HIGH ON MARIJUANA, PLOWS INTO ITALIAN CYCLISTS. KILLS 8.

There I fixed it.


23 posted on 12/05/2010 9:04:24 AM PST by nikos1121 (Praying for the big -24 today and -27 by the end of the month.)
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To: laconic

If I get an emergency call while I’m driving on a side road, I do pull over. But not on a freeway. That’s way too dangerous! If I’m near an exit, I get off. But an emergency call is just that! An emergency. Some things have to be dealt with immediately. I am responsible for the health and safety of a couple thousand people. Water company. Things happen that could contaminate the whole water supply, and cause illness or even death. Same with Doctors, etc..


24 posted on 12/05/2010 9:07:43 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Maverick68

Try driving in downtown Chicago. The cyclists will go down one way streets the wrong way passing through red lights. In other words, you have to NOW look in the opposite direction no less of what you would expect when you have the green.

ARe there any lawyers out there? If a cyclist is hit in this instance is it the driver’s fault?


25 posted on 12/05/2010 9:07:56 AM PST by nikos1121 (Praying for the big -24 today and -27 by the end of the month.)
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To: Dallas59; BenLurkin
“...the driver...a Moroccan national, had tested positive for marijuana.” “...cyclists who were riding in the opposite direction...”

Or maybe instead reflexively pitting ourselves against anyone that causes even a moment of inconvenience, we could focus on the real problem. A driver that hurts or kills a cyclist extremly likely to also be a danger to children, pedestrians and, yes even, other drivers.

26 posted on 12/05/2010 9:14:42 AM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Agree. To ban cellphones is plain nonsense. There are hands free phones and other things that one can talk if they have to without holding a phone. Besides,,I don’t like that blanket metality that you BAN something cause some dope behaves in such a manner. I too carry a cell phone and it is my security and safety blanket when I am alone in the car. I do not pick it up and yak, yak, yak like some people do...even in the stores yaking to their friends about this or that and exposing the rest of us to their nonsensical chatter. Make the call stae your business and get off the phone. Especially when you are driving OR pull over to make that call. It is not the phone...it is the person using the phone and you can’t punish everyone becuase of all the dopes out there in t he world who aren’t responsible. Lord rest the souls of those bikers. They didn’t deserve that.


27 posted on 12/05/2010 9:36:52 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: bkepley
Nonsense. Ban Italian drivers.
28 posted on 12/05/2010 9:44:36 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dallas59

Ban muslims from driving.


29 posted on 12/05/2010 9:46:05 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

RACISM!/s


30 posted on 12/05/2010 9:53:52 AM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: G Larry
I’ve told the “it’s no worse than booze” crowd for years, that is no reason to increase the pollution level of the culture.

Indeed - its time to ban booze! I like your approach to things.

I'm a nanny shes a nanny wouldn't you like to be a nanny too?!

31 posted on 12/05/2010 9:59:18 AM PST by corkoman
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To: Dallas59

I don’t understand . . . I thought pot was a benign substance? How could something being promoted as a miracle herb result in such tragedy?


32 posted on 12/05/2010 10:04:18 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: corkoman

Indeed you have no concept of logic.

Booze is legal it should stay legal.

The culture does NOT benefit from expanding the pool of pollutants.

Freedom is not a suicide pact.


33 posted on 12/05/2010 10:05:37 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: G Larry
Indeed you have no concept of logic.

Booze is legal it should stay legal.

The culture does NOT benefit from expanding the pool of pollutants.

Freedom is not a suicide pact.

Repetitive mouthing of truisms is a poor debate tactic.

34 posted on 12/05/2010 10:12:17 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: bkepley

Heck, try playing an on-line racing game against Italian drivers. That’ll tell you everything you need to know about their driving abilities... i.e. way over rated. Now Scandinavian drivers, they can drive!


35 posted on 12/05/2010 10:20:12 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll (To a liberal, an idea that is a complete disaster, is only so because there's not enough of it.)
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To: tacticalogic

I prefer the “truisms” to liberal falsisms.

It must be effective in that you have no argument


36 posted on 12/05/2010 11:00:04 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: G Larry
I prefer the “truisms” to liberal falsisms.

Fallacies of false dilemma aren't particularly effective either.

37 posted on 12/05/2010 11:15:25 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: nikos1121; Cindy; Velveeta

Moroccan national.


38 posted on 12/05/2010 11:53:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: BenLurkin

Cyclists can power off the road, if they pedal fast enough, hence why they’re allowed on urban thoroughfares.

Oh, and again, they’re public roads, not highways. Which means the cage roller has to suck it up and accept cyclists as a part of traffic like they have to accept horse and buggies in rural traffic. If the cage roller doesn’t like it, the roller can buy their own plot of land and ban bikes.


39 posted on 12/05/2010 12:18:35 PM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

The killer is a Moroccan - you know, Muslim!


40 posted on 12/05/2010 2:07:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: tacticalogic

Accurate is sufficient for me.

Few points of argument are apt to change the mind of a pothead.


41 posted on 12/05/2010 3:52:50 PM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you Little Jeremiah for the ping.

Reminds of other car into crowds events in the past.


42 posted on 12/05/2010 3:57:17 PM PST by Cindy
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To: little jeremiah

Yep and thanks again for the ping.


43 posted on 12/05/2010 4:14:39 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Dallas59

STONED MOROCCAN AT THE WHEEL:

Seven cyclists die in head-on crash with car in southern Italy

Police said the Moroccan driver “was under the influence of drugs and moreover was driving without a license”.

First reports said the accident occurred when the driver lost control of his car while trying to overtake another on a main road in the Catanzaro region of Calabria.

He was unable to brake in time and hit the cyclists head on before careening into a ditch.

SEVEN cyclists were killed and four injured when a car rammed into a group of amateur club bikers in southern Italy.

“There are seven dead and four injured,” said police.

Tests on the driver showed that he was under the influence of cannabis at the time of the accident, the Italian news agency ANSA reported.

He had lost his licence seven months earlier for careless driving, the agency added.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/seven-cyclists-die-in-head-on-crash-with-car-in-southern-italy/story-e6frf7lf-1225966179574


44 posted on 12/05/2010 4:20:14 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Cindy

You’re more than welcome. And it is not unusual for jihadis to drug themselves up before jihad.

“Assasins” - from hashish drugged Muzzlems killing people.


45 posted on 12/05/2010 4:24:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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