Tea Party Nation [pro-life, pro-military, anti-homo agenda] Letter to the GOP!

received via email | November 22, 2010 | Signed by over 180 Tea Party Groups, Leaders and Activists

[southernsunshine]

What a wonderful way of saying, “we’re your supervisor, your manager, the CEO, and the Board of Directors! This is your first set of assignments. We’ll be checking on your progress and will provide assistance when, and if, necessary.” Great start!

[ForGod'sSake]

Are you forgetting the part ACORN; bent willie’s expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act the month before he left office, and the likes of Bawney Fwank and Chris “Sandwich” Dodd played in all this? Several Pubbies, including Bush the Younger tried to sound the alarm on the coming subprime train wreck but they couldn’t get past Fwank and Dodd and the dinomedia.

[SonsOfCollins_Wallace]

I have not found the list of the 180+ signatories [a link to full doc ??] to this latest letter [which I find MUCH better than any part of the GOProud letter].
I have need of it as my local TeaPartisan Patriot leader was one of the GOProud-letter signers and she was chastised for that action but could not discern what was “wrong” with the action.

It seems that there are a lot of these “leaders” that have little or no political sensibilities and that naivety is going to become a real problem in the near future - or in next few seconds.
So I will effort again to “enlighten” this person even though she insists on being “right” about the “GOProud letter” action.

She claimed she did not know who/what LogCabin Repubs were or what GOProud was about/where it originated.
That to me is the more disturbing matter than the BS/”enemy-inside-the-wire” GOProud letter.

From Idaho where it is now in blizzard conditions.

[Jim Robinson]

Apparently, the project was started by Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation in Tennessee. He has a discussion thread entitled “LETTER TO THE GOP LEADERSHIP” posted on their site, but you have to be a member to read it:

http://www.teapartynation.com/

[Outlaw Woman]

self ping

[shempy]

I am not in favor of the GOP Proud position. I don’t claim that they represent the tea party in any way shape or form. Same for the pro-abortionists. I think those people are particularly evil. I am not advocating any one “letting them in.”

What I am advocating, is that the tea party put forth ideas and champions legislation that makes government smaller/less intrusive, and that lowers taxes. Why would that drive you out of the tea party?

The more issues the tea party takes a stand on, the smaller it becomes. For example, in a survey of self described tea party members, 61% said they are opposed to free-trade. So if the tea party decides to add protectionism to its list of demands, it instantly loses a third of its members. That isn’t to say that trade policy is unimportant, or that the folks concerned about free-trade are right or that they are wrong. It just isn’t the banner that unites us all.

If the gun rights lobby insisted on taking positions on abortion, drug legalization, trade policy, and homosexuality, then they’d be far less effective. But that doesn’t mean the NRA or GOA is pro-homosexual, or pro-abortion. They are focused on gun legislation.

If the tea party takes a stand on every issue, then it will become a political party. But that political party already exists - it is called the Constitution Party and it has been around since 1992 and has never gotten more than .2% of the vote.

The tea party coalition of people is influential right now because we are deep and wide and 100% united in our conviction that the government is too big, it is too intrusive, and taxes are too high. We desperately need a large coalition to hold the politicians accountable on spending and scope of government.

[Paradox]

"I’m kinda surprised that anyone pays for music anymore." -- Paradox

Oh? So not paying for a product you consume is "Fiscally Conservative" in the Paradox universe, is it?

No, it isn't, but I guess jumping to conclusions is, or is that just an internet thing. Here's a hint, I don't "consume" for-pay music. You see, there are these services known as "Radio Stations", it is an amazing technology.

[LomanBill]

>>Are you forgetting the part ACORN...

Nope.  Not at all.

 

 

 

But we're not talking about the Communi... errr,  Democratic party.    We're talking about the GOProud "Fiscal Conservatives" - who were NEITHER.
 

See, what the GOProud element in the right wing of The Party(tm) seems to be forgetting - and would evidently like other folks to forget as well - is the role the shadow banking system, "Revolutionized" by Roland Arnall and his merry band of Long Beach Savings immitators, played in GAMING the system, and Pirating the American Dream.

 

Ameriquest and its wholesale division, Argent Mortage, were significant leaders in the sub-prime racket.  But NONE of the products produced by Ameriquest/Argent qualified for underwriting by Freddy/Fannie.   So on the Ameriquest front, Barney Fwank was an irrelevant side show.

 

Furthermore, given that Ameriquest/Argent weren't a BANK,   ALL of the a$$paper they produced was manufactured via securitization.   But you'll NEVER hear that from The Party(tm) propagandists - and why is that:  Maybe because all those "Fiscally Conservative" advertising dollars bought more from the MSM than just bullshyte airtime during the Super Bowl?

 

 

BANKS failed? Nah, the whole financial infrastructure FAILED.   Everybody - from origination on up the food chain through derivative generation - played along in the same, systemically corrupted, DEMORALIZED, and thoroughly marketed game of "See, Speak, and Hear no moral hazard (and don't get caught)".

 

 

That's what happens when there's no Moral Compass guiding the operation.  That's what happens when "Fiscally Conservative" homosexuals, thieves, and sociopaths define morality for the financial infrastructure - and the nation in general.

 

[Bush the Younger tried to sound the alarm on the coming subprime train wreck but they couldn’t get past Fwank and Dodd and the dinomedia.]

Uhuh. While appointing The Godfather of Subprime as ambassador to the Netherlands (nudge nudge wink wink).

 

 

Meanwhile, the underlying common denominator that facilitated the entire sub-prime fiasco was the hedonistically focused demoralization of society -- And whoever did THAT, sure as hell wasn't "Conservative" in any sense of the word.

 

 

[LomanBill]

[You see, there are these services known as "Radio Stations", it is an amazing technology.]

 

I very rarely listen to "Radio Stations",  and I watch the idiot box TV even less.    I used to listen to "Radio Stations" - before technology enabled me to more fully enjoy my listening time; listening time that, when "Radio Stations" were the only choice - was wasted, or at least rendered less enjoyable, by having to let somebody else choose the programming.  

 

Now I choose the programming thanks to technology like iTunes - which IS the subject of the thread where you said "I’m kinda surprised that anyone pays for music anymore".

 

Now, let's parse your verbage a little bit:

I’m kinda surprised that anyone pays for music anymore

"anymore"  LOL.    Hmmm.  So you're saying "Radio Stations" didn't exist before iTunes - that the advent of "Radio Stations" rendered iTunes obsolete?  You gonna go with that?

 

 

[ForGod'sSake]

I can't argue with your notions about the subprime train wreck sprouting from an immoral framework. The rest of it I have trouble following.

Most mortgage lenders aren't "banks" so their loan production must be sold to somebody. Been that way for decades. NON conforming loans(think jumbo loans and typically those outside Fannie/Freddie standards) were/are sold via private channels, banks for example. Insurance companies buy lots of loans or loan packages; primarily commercial. Mortgage backed securities have also been around for decades. They opened up a whole new market place for mortgage funding. Another layer of "insurance" was typically added by the party issuing the security. There were no widespread systemic problems until -- wait for it, -- AFTER bent willie used the CRA to MANDATE more loans to "disinfranchised" borrowers. It didn't take long for the lid to blow off the tea kettle. Money from around the world had been pouring into US mortgage backed securities and derivatives. After bent willie's move it jumped substantially. Anyhow, FWIW:

[TCH]

The Constitution may not say anything directly about homosexuality or homosexuals serving in the military, BUT the Constitution is based on the Natural Law... and the Natural Law declares sodomy a perverted and demented action. More over, the preamble of the Constitution specifically mentions “life” and “posterity” ... to wit: FUTURE GENERATIONS NOT YET BORN... That requires the repetitive consummation of the procreative act, and thus rules out homosexuals as a normal contributing member of society.

As I stated in a previous post on the issue, in response to the GOProud document:

Now let us turn the focus on the costs of homosexual perversion. Yes, there is a defined “normalcy” in sexuality... homosexual acts do not fall within that scope. All sexual perversion causes disease, but the homosexual variety produces a plethora of fatal infections, and not just those associated with AIDS. A great many more “nasty things” inhabit the bodies of homosexuals and lesbians as a direct result of their perverted sexual practices. If we ignore “social issues, ” then how will the unobstructed rise of these diseases impact medical care and insurance costs for those who live within the bounds of normal sexual behavior—particularly with the advent of socialized medicine—and the insistence that “pre-existing conditions” not be excluded from coverage or considered a dis-qualifier?

“Libertarians argue a non-interference perspective;” but their rationale is a straw man argument. The issue is not about those who have an inclination to same-sex attraction. However unfortunate for them, it is a personal struggle, through which they must affect a strong combat for reasons of physiological, psychological and sociological necessity.

The issue is the propagation of an intrinsically destructive doctrine that opposes life and the common good. Even if we put aside the moral imperative—which act would constitute the greatest of errors, since the moral code is a product of sound reason and marks the boundaries of that singularly most quoted imperative “love thy neighbor”—it will still be proven that anything directed against its own natural purpose is contrary to right reason.

The two sexes are specifically designed so their physiological, biological and psychological aspects are mutually beneficial. Male and female complement one another, in all regards, to the natural end that their anatomy was specifically designed to affect: procreation of the species. This natural end logically supposes an intended purpose consistent with intelligent design.

Homosexual behavior is absolute in its destruction of that purpose. Understanding that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” it is reasonable to state that Nature does not work against itself. By logical extension, and since all things must have a first cause, then neither would an intelligent supreme being create an natural order having as a component of its initial design a species directed to its own demise.

Reason and logic dictate that whenever any object is directed against its own natural purpose, then that object is intrinsically disordered. Since the design of male and female reproductive anatomy gives irrefutable evidence to its intended purpose, it is an attack on reason to presume that biology would be so rebellious of its own preservation as to willingly submit to an ends contrary to that which affords its greatest chance of success.

Homosexual behavior acts in direct opposition to the propagation of life, both directly in its physical acts, and psychologically by subverting the natural order of creation. It is anti-life, just as much as is abortion. Being unable to sustain itself through procreation, it may increase its numbers only by seduction—a point that the doctrine of libertarian thought purposely ignores, and which has a direct impact on society at every measurable level.

The argument that same-sex attraction is a product of genetic accident is easily refuted; for if such a gene were existent for any period of time, it would soon by its own actions render itself extinct, as do most unnatural mutations. Thus it is clear that the homosexual inclination is a product of external environmental stimulus and internal psychological impediments (intrinsically disordered desire). This distinction is important for reason that the state-enforced tolerance of intrinsically disordered behaviors (perversions) aligns perfectly with the anti-life philosophy that has imposed a literal death grip upon our culture. The rationale supporting this statement is the summation of those disorders, while still generally opposed, continue to advance, continue to realize great reinforcement through subversive indoctrination of the young, and thus continue to undermine true liberty with an emboldened narcissistic flattery that pretends itself tolerance.

Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine. Such philosophy entails the shackling of human society in a suicide pact that is contrary to the development of a resilient culture, is destructive of a sustainable and prosperous economy, and exists in direct opposition to right reason and the moral imperatives derived through the Natural Law.

[TCH]

The SW Nebraska TEA Party AGREES with your assessment, and shares in the problem! Our boneheaded State Coordinator also “screwed the pooch”!

[LomanBill]

[They opened up a whole new market place for mortgage funding.]

 

Right - that would be the part where Roland Arnall's predatory operation boasted:

 

"We haven't changed the mortgage industry. We've revolutionized it"

 

Nothing wrong with that - until the "revolutionaries" started gaming the fringes and gray areas, like when Argent fabricated FICO scores on thousands of their loan apps;  like when they started approving apps days before their own "Corporate Review" process was completed on appraisals the system flagged as possibly bogus - apps that they nonetheless just flushed through the system, flagged appraisal and all.

 

Or like when...

"...my managers and handlers taught me the ins and outs of mortgage fraud, drugs, sex, and money, money, and more money. My friend and manager handed out crystal methamphetamine to loan officers in a bid to keep them up and at work longer hours. At any given moment inside the restrooms - cocaine and meth was being snorted by my estimates more than a third of the staff, and more than half the staff manipulating documents to get loans to fund and more then 75% just completely made falses tatements on 1003s regarding stated income etc to get loans funded. A typical welcome aboard gift was a pair of scissors, tape, and white out, three things a loan officer or financial professional should never need..."

---Christopher Jared Warren

---Fugitive financier arrested at U.S. border

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2184646/posts?page=8#8

 

 

DRUGS, SEX, AND MONEY MONEY MONEY  ---  THAT, is  GOProud's/San Francisco culture of "Fiscal Conservatism".

 

 

[Another layer of "insurance" was typically added by the party issuing the security]

Uhuh. So much for moral hazard - and with the ultimate layer of "insurance" being the U.S. tax-payer, the whole Ponzi-scheme still seems to be working out pretty well for at least some folks, ehh?

Evidently the whole notion of "insurance" on a$$paper ultimately nullified whatever "Market Discipline" was, or wasn't, in effect.  "OOPS".

 

Tsk Tsk ---  how could The Wizard  have been so  COMPLETELY wrong?

 

 

"We didn't truly know the dangers of the market, because it was a dark market," says Brooksley Born, the head of an obscure federal regulatory agency -- the Commodity Futures Trading Commission [CFTC] -- who not only warned of the potential for economic meltdown in the late 1990s, but also tried to convince the country's key economic powerbrokers to take actions that could have helped avert the crisis. "They were totally opposed to it," Born says. "That puzzled me. What was it that was in this market that had to be hidden?"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

 

 

[bent willie used the CRA to MANDATE more loans to "disinfranchised" borrowers.]

 

And Jorge played along with the idea that EVERYBODY should own a house.   Look, it's just disingenuous at this point to try and play this as a partisan issue - when both wings of The Party(tm) were clearly up to their eyeballs in the gravy bowl.

FOLLOW THE MONEY:

 

 

 

[I can't argue with your notions about the subprime train wreck sprouting from an immoral framework.]

 

No, you can't - and neither can the "Neo Fiscally Conservative" liberal RINO miscreants who'd like us not to notice the big lumpy social corpse they've failed to sweep under their rainbow carpet.

[Paradox]

Now, let's parse your verbage a little bit: I’m kinda surprised that anyone pays for music anymore "anymore" LOL. Hmmm. So you're saying "Radio Stations" didn't exist before iTunes - that the advent of "Radio Stations" rendered iTunes obsolete? You gonna go with that?

You really need to stop jumping to conclusions, stop reading meanings that simply aren't there. I did not say the above (bolded). Obviously, thats not what I meant. I listen to radio, including internet and cable stations. If I need to listen to a certain song, I can always find the video on youtube. That works for me. When I did own an MP3 player, I used it exclusively for podcasts. I understand that freepers tend to be people of high moral character than most, and they probably tend to purchase what they use. Most of the people I know with MP3 players tend to be young, and none of them pay for their music. A sign of the times, I have thought, which is why I am surprised that anyone pays for music these days.

[NC28203]

>>>Instead fight for cutting the bloated government so the debt ceiling does NOT have to be raised.

As I pointed out, you have got to get to a balanced budget in order to avoid raising the debt ceiling. We are facing a $1.3T deficit this year, so you need to find $1.3T in cuts to avoid raising the debt ceiling. In posts #27 and #30 I laid out cuts that would get us there:

Discretionary spending in FY 2010 was $1.39T, or 38% of total spending. More than half ($844B) was security spending, which includes the Department of Defense, overseas contingency programs and Homeland Security.

So if you close down all the discretionary gov agencies (USDA, Energy, Commerce, Education, etc) immediately you find about $500B in savings. There is $135B in stimulus spending for FY11 that could be cut. We can find an additional $619B in savings from non-discretionary programs if we immediately cut these programs: Food Stamps, Unemployment Compensation, Child Nutrition and Tax Credits, Supplemental Security for the Disabled and Student Loans.

To avoid raising the debt ceiling, this will have to be accomplished by some time in Febraury. Good luck.

[LomanBill]

[stop reading meanings that simply aren't there.]

Words mean things, super genius.  Quoth the Raven: "anymore"

[Most of the people I know with MP3 players tend to be young, and none of them pay for their music]

"none of them pay for their music"

So all of the people you know with MP3 players obtain their music illegally?

 

Is that "Fiscally Conservative"?   

 

 

 

[Paradox]

So all of the people you know with MP3 players obtain their music illegally?

All of the people I know with MP3 players have in their collection some unpaid for music. Their behavior is not conservative, no. I am not even sure now what point you are failing to make while threadjacking, nor why you have tried to jump on me for it, since your efforts have been pathetic and futile. Are you trying to be funny? Is it a bone to pick with libertarians? I am done helping you threadjack, if you want to continue, you can try mailing me instead.

[Syncro]

Let’s do it!

[LomanBill]

[All of the people I know with MP3 players have in their collection some unpaid for music.

 

Their behavior is not conservative, no.]

 

No, it isn't conservative - Mr. "Fiscal Conservative" fan - at all.

 

And their thievery is a SOCIAL issue that is symptomatic of the demoralization and systemic corruption of American culture.

 

One day it's stealing music, the next...

"mortgage fraud, drugs, sex, and money, money, and more money."

---Christopher Jared Warren

---Fugitive financier arrested at U.S. border

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2184646/posts?page=8#8

"Drugs, sex, money and money money, and more money" but gee,  don't tax us bro - because we're "Fiscally Conservative"

 

 

So, who calibrated their youthful moral compass - you and the "Fiscally Conservative" GOProud crowd?   FAIL.

 

 

[LomanBill]

[Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine.]

 

It's a deliberate confusion of Liberty with Fatal Liberality.

 

Great post TCH - bookmarked again.