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Obamacare Passes Its First Test
The New York Times ^ | October 8, 2010 | tobin Harshaw

Posted on 10/09/2010 7:33:19 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi

Are you one of the 46 million Americans without health insurance? Well, you may not have that, uh, luxury for much longer. “A federal judge in Michigan on Thursday dismissed one of more than 15 legal challenges to the new health care law, becoming the first to rule that the law is constitutional,” reports The Times’s Kevin Sack. “The central question, which may ultimately fall to the Supreme Court, is whether the Commerce Clause of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to require citizens to obtain a commercial product, namely health insurance. Starting in 2014, the law will require most Americans to obtain health insurance …”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: care; commerce; health; obamacare
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1 posted on 10/09/2010 7:33:21 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

What do we know about that MI Judge?


2 posted on 10/09/2010 7:35:52 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
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Just bend over and relax. This won't hurt a bit.

3 posted on 10/09/2010 7:36:48 AM PDT by newheart (History is an outbreak of madness--Ellul)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Appointed by Clinton, President of the Arab American Bar Association:

http://www.mied.uscourts.gov/judges/guidelines/topic.cfm?topic_id=240


4 posted on 10/09/2010 7:38:11 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Clinton appointee


5 posted on 10/09/2010 7:38:50 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The ruling is a travesty.

Read the Declaration of Independence.

All the way to the end.

And then tell me such a time as then has not come around again.


6 posted on 10/09/2010 7:39:33 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Hey, its a Michigan Fed. Judge in a bankrupt Democrat State, bought and paid for Verdict.

Insurrection in the other 49 States is called for. 3 more weeks until V day.


7 posted on 10/09/2010 7:39:38 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The usual NY Times propaganda disguised as reporting.


8 posted on 10/09/2010 7:43:22 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The judge has spoken. This law is constitutional. I mean, it is in there!

We need to respect the rule of law and realize that all you kooks that thought this was some sort of tyranny are just that - Kooks!

Don’t start talking about even more kookery like nullification or impeachment. You know that doesn’t work in this day of age. The government knows best. The high priest of the law has spoken.

Nullification or impeachment talk would just mean Dem majorities forever. Now, we just need to focus on the R legislative agenda to build government the way we want it built. The D’s won this one. Let’s just laugh about it and move on. The goal of the game is to tally up the legislative victories for your team, R or D, and whoever has the most by the end of the game wins.

(Do I need to point out that’s sarcasm? It is a paraphrase of attitudes I have seen around here though.)


9 posted on 10/09/2010 7:44:29 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The judge has spoken. This law is constitutional. I mean, it is in there!

We need to respect the rule of law and realize that all you kooks that thought this was some sort of tyranny are just that - Kooks!

Don’t start talking about even more kookery like nullification or impeachment. You know that doesn’t work in this day of age. The government knows best. The high priest of the law has spoken.

Nullification or impeachment talk would just mean Dem majorities forever. Now, we just need to focus on the R legislative agenda to build government the way we want it built. The D’s won this one. Let’s just laugh about it and move on. The goal of the game is to tally up the legislative victories for your team, R or D, and whoever has the most by the end of the game wins.

(Do I need to point out that’s sarcasm? It is a paraphrase of attitudes I have seen around here though.)


10 posted on 10/09/2010 7:44:40 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
Two judges have ruled that it is unconstitutional, IIRC.
11 posted on 10/09/2010 7:50:21 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Tribune7
How is someone going to be able to pay $400 to $600 a month for coverage when they are eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for dinner? D@mn this man!
12 posted on 10/09/2010 7:58:13 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: exit82
And then tell me such a time as then has not come around again.

It is time to just say "No" to government. That will be hard for lots of people, including lots of statist FReepers who just know they are right.

13 posted on 10/09/2010 7:59:13 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Ladies and gentlemen, your attention please; welcome to fascism.

The federal court in Michigan has affirmed any and all economic activity OR the lack thereof is under the jurisdiction of the federal government and may be regulated accordingly.

Examples...

“If a formal architect of fascism can be identified, it is Benito Mussolini, the onetime Marxist editor who, caught up in nationalist fervor, broke with the left as World War I approached and became Italy’s leader in 1922. Mussolini distinguished fascism from liberal capitalism in his 1928 autobiography:

The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporative conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill. (p. 280)

Before his foray into imperialism in 1935, Mussolini was often praised by prominent Americans and Britons, including Winston Churchill, for his economic program.

Similarly, Adolf Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said:

The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property. (Barkai 1990, pp. 26–27)”

-Source of quoted material; The Concise encyclopedia Of Economics http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html


14 posted on 10/09/2010 8:02:01 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: MichiganConservative
Civil disobedience. Do not go along with the program.
15 posted on 10/09/2010 8:04:09 AM PDT by Bronzy (Remember In November.)
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To: Bronzy

Starting in 2014 not having healthcare will be a felony, NOT civil disobedience.

Word Origin & History

felony
late 13c. as a term in common law, in Anglo-Fr., from O.Fr. felonie (12c.) “wickedness, evil, treachery, perfidy, crime, cruelty, sin,” from Gallo-Rom. *fellonia , from fellonem


16 posted on 10/09/2010 8:12:56 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi
Mussolini was often praised by prominent Americans and Britons, including Winston Churchill, for his economic program.

As did FDR.

17 posted on 10/09/2010 8:14:10 AM PDT by Timocrat
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To: cougar_mccxxi

If the Amish can opt out...and no doubt the muslims can too...then why can’t anyone else?
Do I really have to consecrate myself in the Church of Blessed John Galt?


18 posted on 10/09/2010 8:36:46 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
There is precedent for the ability of the Feds to dictate certain things to citizens. In early America the Congress ordered all members of the militia at their own expense to buy a musket, backpack, powder, and musket ammunition of 50 rounds.
If Obamacare is allowed to stand, I say re-implement the militia and "musket rule" to side-step all other BS gun control laws. If brought before the same judge, it would HAVE TO STAND, right?
19 posted on 10/09/2010 8:40:16 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: cameraeye

“How is someone going to be able to pay $400 to $600 a month for coverage when they are eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for dinner?”

The government is going to take over all of the heath care system before that happens. They will use your argument(or similar argument) to do so...


20 posted on 10/09/2010 8:47:09 AM PDT by Liaison
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