Skip to comments.Pence: Supreme Court Will Decide Constitutionality Of Health Reform (audio)
Posted on 10/08/2010 9:44:40 PM PDT by i88schwartz
"It's going to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court's going to decide whether or not the Constitution of the United States permits the government to order the American people to purchase goods or services, whether they want them or need them or not," Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) said. (source WLS-AM)
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hang in there scalia, thomas, roberts, alito and kennedy....
Here's a news flash for you Mike: There is ONLY one person that decides what goods or services I purchase -- ME!
Not you nor the rest of your cohorts in crime, not the criminals in the SCOTUS, and certainly not that islamo-fascist, foreign-born, communist b-turd currently soiling the People's House. Got it?
I don’t think you know very much about Congressman Pence. I suggest you do some research on how he stands and how he votes.
It matters not what Mike’s position is on any issue is. He said what he said and it is manifestly wrong.
Neither the Pretender in Chief, the Crooks in Congress, or the Supreme Court gets to tell fellow citizens that we are REQUIRED to purchase something as a prerequisite to being alive or to get access to services of doctor (another fellow citizen).
Call it whatever you want, a Tax or a Fee, the purpose is, on the very face of it, unconstitutional. That is of course, if the Constitution actually really means anything. Which is really what the Supreme Court will be deciding.
Mike Pence has not phrased this correctly and Just a Nobody’s reaction is dead on!. The Supreme Court does not decide the Constitution, they had better be able to understand our Constitutionally based Rights are not fungible.
Pence is only OK IMO, a better class of RhINO than the Grahamster or McCainiac.
I really don’t care what the Supreme Court decides. They make their decision; I’ve already made mine. I quit my job in protest over the abortion provision. I will not pay ONE CENT in tribute to the false idol of government.
If this be sedition; so be it. If this be treason; so be it. This is my Patrick Henry moment. “I know not what course others may take; but as for me... give me liberty or give me death!”
Well, that shows what you know, henkster.
I'm very well informed on who Pence is and what his positions are. Five and a half years ago I was asked to become a blogger for "Pence for President" for that very reason.
My comment has less to do with Pence, and more to do with the Constitution, than anything else. Mike said it so my comment was directed at him and stands.
Thanks and BTTT
So you quit your job? How do you pay for food, shelter and the occasional gassing up the vehicle?
I think your anger at Pence is misdirected. Pence was stating what is the current situation. I suggest you hold your fire.
No anger intended -- simply a statement of fact.
Under previous circumstances it would be true that you are the one who decides what you buy. In the specific case of health insurance,that is no longer true.
The health care law requires everyone to purchase insurance. Every citizen is required by law to purchase insurance whether they want it or not. You have no choice in the matter. If you don’t you will be fined. (there might be special situation for medicare eligible)
That new mandatory requirement on citizens raises the question, can a government that forces citizens to purchase insurance force the citizen to purchase other things or services on pain of fine or penalty?
The right you claim has been taken away. You might not want a chrome plated garbage collection container but there will be one in your driveway and the government will come collect the payment and if you don’t pay, they will assess a penalty or a fine.
We’re forced to participate in Social Security and pay Medicare taxes. obummercare will be viewed as more of the same.
"Your guaranteed Medicare benefits wont change whether you get them through Original Medicare or a Medicare Advantage plan.
First of all, if you've got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" President Barack Hussein Obama
Cynics beware, I am romantic about the National Health Service; I love it.
The NHS is one of the astounding human endeavors of modern times. (Donald Berwick)
I’m doing okay - and without unemployment. The rest of my finances are my business.
tonyinv and Just A Nobody have have an understandable 'sentiment' but feelings alone will not suffice for any of us to gain the gift of freedom that all of us deserve to inherit from our individual American origins. I will reveal my own hardcore sentiment below.
tonyinv has especially drawn out the key battle tactic that may and very likely will overcome our opposition to Obamacare, to wit:
The 16th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
From 'whatever source derived' indeed. This amendment is different from all others in that it is designed specifically to expand the powers of central government. Since its ratification in February 1913, the United States of America has experienced a Trojan Horse of federal government into their lives. At first the new forms of taxation were small and distant but over many decades the tax code that rests on the foundation of the 16th Amendment has grown into an agressive cancer that no tax reform can cure or prevent it from metastacizing (there have been five major tax reforms since 1913; they have all failed).
Whatever sentiment we hold, it will serve only to unite us to those of similar sentiment. Many of us will seek our 'Inner Robespierre' but a revolution, violent or peaceful, will need the following acts to return to us our historical inheritance:
Obamacare sets ‘minimum standards of health insurance’ and does not require anyone to purchase anything. They will use the ‘tax argument’ as FDR did in defending Social Security.
It boils down to this:
“You don’t meet our minimum standard of health insurance coverage? Fine, you won’t get the tax credit for the tax we are going to impose on you just because.”
For insight into a way out of this mess, see the links in post #19.
You are correct. The fact that this has already happened (and it’s happened in plenty of other areas of life also) does not mean we must accept that a further unconstitutional program can be created. But that is where we have been my whole life (40ish). Incrementalism reaches everyone’s doorstep eventually.
As we can plainly see now, SS and Medicare will be serving the exact purpose they were intended to serve, which was to provide a beach-head from which the final assault on our “rights” is launched.
Each of us has to decide when “enough is enough”, maybe this heathcare lie/scam has waken people up, we’ll see.
Well bert, that may be true for those who decide to go along to get along allowing the encroachment of ever more of our freedoms. I have other plans.
I will NOT purchase mandatory health insurance.
I will NOT pay a fine.
They will NOT take me to jail alive.
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." --- Marbury ~vs~ Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803
"An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed." --- Norton ~vs~ Shelby County, 118 US 425 p. 442.
"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment, not merely from the date of the decision branding it. "No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it." --- 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177, late 2d, Sec 256.
"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln/Douglas Debate, 1858.
Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
WE the PEOPLE have allowed these criminals in CONgre$$ to systematically encroach our freedoms while we stood around saying there is nothing we can do...it is the law. All the while adopting the commie talking points and acquiescing to their power grabs. See K.I.S.S., seat belt laws, smoking laws, helmet laws, trans-fat BS, salt BS, sugar BS .....
And what was the common denominator to all of these power grabs? That's right...HEALTH and safety!
If you want to Socialize a country, you must FIRST take over its healthcare."
So everyone just stay calm and agreeable. Commiecare won't be so bad...it's for our own good, doncha know.
If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.