Posted on 08/20/2010 8:55:24 PM PDT by speciallybland
ME: Also, what possible advantage do we gain from NOT insisting on pursuing an aggressive war, beginning with any captured enemy of my country?
YOU: I don’t know. Why not go and ask somebody who has argued for that? I never addressed or implied anything about any of these.
Ron Paul: Left and the Right Demagogue Mosque, Islam
Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:30:05 PM · 94 of 120
cothrige to dcwusmc
So it must then break down into playing Cowboys and Progressives before we can play Cowboys and Mohammedans.
I absolutely agree with this, and I think you are right both in theory and practice. I personally believe that the greatest threats to our liberty are right here at home, and it is because of them that we are more vulnerable to threats from abroad. And of course we cannot address any foreign threats without leaders prepared to do it, and a system which expects them to. Right now we seem to have none of this, and so yes, we must take on the Left right here, and that includes many Republicans I fear, and find a way to assert our foundational values and principles again.
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I absolutely agree with this, and I think you are right both in theory and practice. I personally believe that the greatest threats to our liberty are right here at home, and it is because of them that we are more vulnerable to threats from abroad. And of course we cannot address any foreign threats without leaders prepared to do it, and a system which expects them to. Right now we seem to have none of this, and so yes, we must take on the Left right here, and that includes many Republicans I fear, and find a way to assert our foundational values and principles again.
Okay, you have quoted an entire post, but still don't show where I insist on not pursuing an aggressive war. Do you really believe that we, i.e. this nation, are going to pursue an "aggressive war" following weak leaders? So you think Obama, a very weak leader, is going to pursue your "aggressive war"? Maybe an aggressive one against Israel, but I somehow doubt you mean that. And please inform me of how some random muslim nut is more dangerous to us, right now, than Obama is? Maybe you think that, but then you are practically never right. No, correct that, you are actually never right.
Wondering where you are from, old thing. I’ve asked several times. You’ve not answered. I think the whole “oh I prefer British, blah blah blah” ... is shite.
Okay, one thing at a time. I have never seen any request from you regarding my location. If I missed it in the midst of all your mindless poundings, oh well. That's life. Guess you can't be expected to know everything about people, though of course you can't be expected to know even what is explicitly said, since you just pretend the other person said what you wish they had and then respond in kind. But, perhaps you can show where you asked me this "several times," as I am quite curious where I overlooked it.
Secondly, I have never said "I prefer British" anything. If you cannot even try to read what is written please stop playing with the keyboard. You are becoming tiresome.
ME: Also, what possible advantage do we gain from NOT insisting on pursuing an aggressive war, beginning with any captured enemy of my country?
You: I don’t know. Why not go and ask somebody who has argued for that? I never addressed or implied anything about any of these. I said we need to be smart and not allow the other side to control the debate.
Me: You say so in almost every post when you insist that WE are allowing THEM (of course I am still not clear about which side you are speaking) to control the dialogue.
This sounds to my ear like the argument that America provoked the rag heads into attacking us. They attacked us because they attacked us. You sound as if WE are somehow responsible for the leftists attacks on us and our country. And you repeat his ad nauseum. It is deeply misguided and terribly wrong and weak.
This weakness feeds the LEFT strategy of deflecting blame for our situation away from the enemy, yes, but it allows the REAL enemy to advance onus daily. The enemy is the left, yes, using the attacks by the REAL enemy to point out how much we DESERVE to be attacked. You promote that. SEAN did not allow that to happen. Republicans did not allow that to happen. The duped allow that to happen.
Our inaction against a real enemy in a real shooting war is allowing that to happen. Every day. By not addressing that (and forcefully) we all end up wondering what THE RIGHT will end up doing next (as you so gleefully point out) to screw us? I’m sorry if you do not see that you are allowing the enemy to use your arguments to keep us pinned down, but they are. We keep fighting the left, they keep building nukes and arms capabilities.
Brilliant strategy you got there, professor.
You: I have never seen any request from you regarding my location.
Me: OK. I’m asking. And I have already stated why. You are only capable of writing in English, but not reading or comprehending it?
You: You are becoming tiresome.
Me: I usually do when I am asking pertinent questions and they are deflected. As in this post. As for your whole “please excuse my Brit sensibilities” blather goes (I paraphrase), it is right back there. And you and I know it.
Is this where you become disgusted and throw up your hands and refuse to answer?
Yes, your predilection for Euro thought is obvious.
You, clearly, are a genius. I have underestimated you. I can say, right now, that I don't know of any contributor here who has more deserved the title of Smartest Guy on the Internet. What a mind! Like God, you merely have to say it for it to be so. Facts? Facts! Facts be damned! Does greatness wait on facts? No. An emphatic no. And neither do you. I take off my hat in your presence, or rather I would if I were in your presence, or if I were wearing a hat, but in any case I don't take off my hat in your non-presence. From now on, whenever I see your name, I will hear radiant bells. Big, hollow, and loud bells. And all in your honor.
Or here, let me put it another way:
I find myself wondering where you are from.
Because of the language, the phrases, the spelling, the euro-centric (in my opinion) thinking, I wonder and I a, asking from what country do you come?
Not your present location, but from where do you come?
You know what I mean?
“You, clearly, are a genius.”
Thank you. Since you are probably from somewhere in his neck of the woods, you are probably familiar with Charles Dickens? He had a character in one of his books that is quite a bit like you. And coincidentally, his name was Mr. Dick. Your thought processes are identical.
You say so in almost every post when you insist that WE are allowing THEM (of course I am still not clear about which side you are speaking) to control the dialogue.This sounds to my ear like the argument that America provoked the rag heads into attacking us.
Are you actually serious? WE in the above, using your words here, would be conservatives actually concerned about a strong and sovereign United States. THEM is the LEFT here in America, pushing their policies of anti-americanism. The LEFT controls the debate. We must win against the LEFT before we do anything else because the LEFT controls the country right now. We must regain our Nation and restore our leadership. We must put leaders in office who will stand for American values, not the values of Obama and his ilk.
You sound as if WE are somehow responsible for the leftists attacks on us and our country.
Here you are right. We are responsible, though we are not solely responsible. Our policies of sucking up to muslims, pretending they should have a table at discussions, allowing them to come into our country, sending our money to fund their mosques and terrorists have all played right into attacks and encouraged more muslims to come to our country to subvert our process. When they start enacting sharia in this nation it will be because of the weak people WE vote in and their weak policies of attrition. If you think Bill Clinton did anything to avert 9/11 then fine, go worship at the altar of Billy. I won't. He did just about everything possible to throw us on the grill for these psychos in their turbans, and I won't give him a free pass just because ignorant semiliterate cro-magnons think I am "blaming America." You want to know something? I do blame America. We did nothing when we had the chance, and that is our fault. Clinton's policies and actions were those of America, and insofar as he did nothing WE did nothing. Fact, not that you know what that is.
This weakness feeds the LEFT strategy of deflecting blame for our situation away from the enemy, yes, but it allows the REAL enemy to advance onus daily.
The real enemy is the LEFT. Grow up and learn something. When we fall it will not be because 19 nuts with box cutters were able to take over some planes. That took years and years of preparation for them, and was the best they had. Our fall will be from within because the LEFT controls the policies and the debates and we are not even in the game. Right now our lovely leader is preparing to throw Israel, our only real ally in that loony bin over there, under the bus in order to suck up to Iran. When they have nukes you can just whine all you want that it isn't our fault, but it won't matter any more. And it will have been our fault, regardless of your ignorance, because we owed our allies support and we should have done something. You can keep your "America is always right" meme, but I don't buy it.
Brilliant strategy you got there, professor.
You haven't even the barest breath of a clue there, professor. You argue what you don't know, against people who you don't understand, about policies and ideas you won't consider. You can talk about my strategy all you want, but your love of Bill Clinton, who you defend so strongly, and his refusal to respond to the Cole or to capture bin Laden when he could does not impress me one bit. Wrong is wrong, and you are dead wrong. Dead wrong.
Or here, let me put it another way:I find myself wondering where you are from.
Sorry, but that is not putting "it" another way, it is another thing altogether.
Because of the language, the phrases, the spelling, the euro-centric (in my opinion) thinking, I wonder and I a, asking from what country do you come?Not your present location, but from where do you come?
You know what I mean?
Oh, you want to know where I am from originally? Well, why didn't you ask? It isn't hard to do. And I am even willing to answer, though I don't see it makes any difference. What I say is what I say, and passing it through some imaginary geographical ideology filter hardly seems helpful. But, in any case, I will answer. I happen to have been born in Fort Worth, in Tarrant County, in the great Lone Star State of Texas. I am a fourth generation Texan, raised in Houston, in Harris County, Texas, and unfortunately later expatriating to Florida where I am currently in exile.
As for language, I use English as I was raised speaking it. I took two years of German, but beyond answering a phone and saying hello I am hopeless in it. I don't know what you mean by "phrases" since I simply use what I know as anyone else does in speaking or writing. If I think of something applicable which I have heard I use it. If I like the way it sounds in a sentence then I keep it. If not then I change it. Simple as simple can be. You seem to have some sort of obsession with people's methods of constructing sentences, but I just write what I think best backs up my position and does so with economy of words and clarity of purpose. You clearly have a different method, but that is your business.
I see little purpose to addressing my supposed "euro-centric thinking" as I lack any confidence you have a clue what "euro-centric" means, or have any familiarity with thinking. Since you have managed to entirely misstate every single position I have upheld on this thread, even after repeated postings from me, it is apparent that you simply desire to think this and will continue to insist on it regardless of what any of it means. If I were arguing for nationalised health care, or socialism, or even a lower drinking age I might think you could make a case. However, arguing for strong national defence and clear conservative policies pursued by candidates of courage and integrity is apparently somehow "Euro" to you. There is no arguing with that level of intelligence, to perhaps stretch the possible meanings of the word.
ME: You sound as if WE are somehow responsible for the leftists attacks on us and our country.
YOU: Here you are right. We are responsible, though we are not solely responsible. Our policies of sucking up to Muslims, pretending they should have a table at discussions, allowing them to come into our country, sending our money to fund their mosques and terrorists have all played right into attacks and encouraged more muslims to come to our country to subvert our process.
ME: We are responsible? OUR policies? I thought they attacked us because of who THEY are. The subversion of our processes led to the murders? That is something I bet no one considered. I thought it was caused because they want to keeeeeeeeel us.
YOU: “When we fall it will not be because 19 nuts with box cutters were able to take over some planes.”
ME: No, it would be because we might follow the nutball strategy of continuing to ignore the importance of defending the country and allow the Iranians to open the nuclear supermarket to the world ...
You: “You can talk about my strategy all you want, but your love of Bill Clinton, who you defend so strongly...”
ME: This is the most breathtakingly stupid thing I have ever seen posted on FR. Talk about making shite up as you go along. Yep. That’s me alright, Clinton supporter #1. What are smoking, there, anyway?
Hey, where are you from again? Gosh and I thought you might share the Euro sensibilities that WE are (partially? mostly?) at fault for the attacks. I guessed wrong, huh?
Don’t stroke out on us though, OK? We need people like you to remind us why we need to be vigilant against all enemies foreign and domestic.
Which are you, by the way? You don’t seem to want to say.
Never mind. It probably isn’t important to you. Although it is rather Obama-like that you won’t answer that question.
I for one, wonder why not?
Tah tah.
Really? Obama was born in Hawaii. He said so.
I wash my hands of you. You are tiresome and ignorant beyond all manner of imagination to conjure. You lack even the most basic spark of intelligence which animates the lowest of the invertebrates. I have said all that needs be said, and your fictions about my positions can be seen for what they are. Clearly there is no hope of disabusing you of your grossly inaccurate calumnies and so I leave you with them.
“You are tiresome and ignorant beyond all manner of imagination to conjure.”
Gosh, just when I thought we were hitting it off, too. Because ALL of my friends think that America is responsible for the attacks on her. Oh well. I will try to get along without you. Take care of yourself, genius.
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