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Supreme Court upholds 'birther' sanction (Alito & Thomas okay fine of Taitz)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 08/16/2010

Posted on 08/16/2010 9:34:44 AM PDT by LonelyCon

The Supreme Court has upheld a $20,000 fine against a leader of the movement challenging President Barack Obama's citizenship.

The high court on Monday refused to block a federal judge's October 2009 ruling that required California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz to pay the $20,000 fine for filing a "frivolous" litigation. The judge said Taitz attempted to misuse the federal courts to push a political agenda.

Taitz sued in Georgia federal court on behalf of Army Capt. Connie Rhodes. Rhodes sought to avoid deployment to Iraq by claiming Obama wasn't born in the United States.

Justice Samuel Alito on Monday rejected Taitz's second request to block the sanctions. Justice Clarence Thomas had rejected the request earlier.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; orly; scotus; taitz
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To: Candor7
Of course its absurd to you. Thats because you do not know really what the context of what we are facing. LOL

Get over yourself.

One only needs to read the details of Taitz's antics to realize she is a legal buffoon. That is regardless of the merits of the larger birther concerns, for which I have sympathies, although they are just part of my larger concerns of just about the entire Constitution being usurped.

If you are so wedded to this issue that you cannot step back far enough to discern Taitz's clear legal problems, then you really need to get a grip.

51 posted on 08/16/2010 11:03:33 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: LonelyCon

Quelle surprise.


52 posted on 08/16/2010 11:04:26 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo
Quelle surprise.

Had that for dinner last night...needed Tabasco.

53 posted on 08/16/2010 11:08:15 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: dirtboy

I suppose you fully support addressing judges as, “Your Honor” too.


54 posted on 08/16/2010 11:09:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: B4Ranch

So tell me again what that has to do with Taitz’s legal hijinks as noted in post 35. Y’all keep assiduosly avoiding those leetle details, for some strange reason.


55 posted on 08/16/2010 11:11:11 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rawcatslyentist

We all have our answer on that. This question needs to be answered by the supremes.


56 posted on 08/16/2010 11:11:11 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: zeebee

If Zero couldn’t/shouldn’t have been elected, Biden wouldn’t be in the VP seat.


57 posted on 08/16/2010 11:11:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: dirtboy

“Gee, do you think that maybe, just maybe, if rock-ribbed conservative jurist Clarence Thomas finds that Taitz’s actions were out of line, that they actually were?”

Bah, that’s crazy talk.


58 posted on 08/16/2010 11:11:33 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: dirtboy
Gee, do you think that maybe, just maybe, if rock-ribbed conservative jurist Clarence Thomas finds that Taitz?s actions were out of line, that they actually were?

C'mon, dirtboy. Justice Thomas is either "in on it" - "a Marxist" - "an Obama supporter" - or all three of the above.
He had us fooled but thank God for the birthers and Orly he has now been exposed.

59 posted on 08/16/2010 11:12:20 AM PDT by jla
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To: dirtboy

IMO any judge that has had this subject brought to his court and has shuffled it off is a coward. I also think that the Republican congressmen and senators are TOTALLY corrupt because they haven’t stood up and demanded to see Zeros full history. Just the fact that he is hiding it is a full indication that corruption and fraud exist in the matter.


60 posted on 08/16/2010 11:20:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

He certainly did and we know why too!

LLS


61 posted on 08/16/2010 11:24:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: B4Ranch
IMO any judge that has had this subject brought to his court and has shuffled it off is a coward.

So, once again, please tell me what that has to do with Taitz's antics as described in post 35. Sorry, but ANY attorney who pulled that kind of nonsense would be getting thrashed by the courts.

62 posted on 08/16/2010 11:27:53 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: jla; dirtboy
Naw...they're just evading the issue. Words from the man's own mouth. Yeah...you've gotta be reaaallly "rock ribbed" to admit your evading this Constitutional issue. At least he's honest about their dogging and weaving.
63 posted on 08/16/2010 11:28:05 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

So tell me again what that snippet of banter has to do with Taitz’s antics as described in post 35.


64 posted on 08/16/2010 11:31:06 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: MODELSHIPS
OR!

Taitz is a nutjob who hasn't a clue what she is doing and sees irrational conspiracy in everything she doesn't bother to try and understand.

There is that possibility...

65 posted on 08/16/2010 11:34:03 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: B4Ranch

I suppose you fully support addressing judges as, “Your Honor” too.


Only if you’d like to have a chance to win the case. If losing is what you’re after...call the judge by their first name.
In his letter to Barack Obama demanding Obama’s birth certificate, Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin addressed the letter to “The Honorable Barack Hussein Obama” and the greeting is: “Dear Mr. President.”
“You catch more flies with honey...”


66 posted on 08/16/2010 11:42:29 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: dirtboy

I am not an a lawyer but I have seen judges tell attorneys to resubmit paperwork and or rephrase something. How did Taitz get her bar permit if she wasn’t qualified?


67 posted on 08/16/2010 11:42:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: dirtboy
You do see that I was responding to post #59...right? So tell me, what does your question have to do with my response to post #59?
68 posted on 08/16/2010 11:43:42 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: B4Ranch
I am not an a lawyer but I have seen judges tell attorneys to resubmit paperwork and or rephrase something. How did Taitz get her bar permit if she wasn’t qualified?

It's not qualifications, it's misconduct.

69 posted on 08/16/2010 11:44:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rxsid
The question before Clarence Thomas here was not the birther case per se, but Taitz's misconduct in pursuing such.

The Supreme Court just doesn't go out looking for cases, cases have to be brought to it by those who have an understanding of how the process works. Countless cases get tossed aside for exactly that issue.

70 posted on 08/16/2010 11:46:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Are you suggesting that only Taitz’s “eligibility” case has been submitted to SCOTUS?


71 posted on 08/16/2010 11:48:46 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: dirtboy

Do I recall that Zero had a meeting with Justice Roberts before he was elected? Is that right?


72 posted on 08/16/2010 11:49:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: rxsid

No, I am not, I am aware that there have been others. However, once again, you have to have a good understanding of how the process works to get a case there. I think they turn aside at least ninety percent of the cases that are presented to them for possible consideration.


73 posted on 08/16/2010 11:50:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: B4Ranch
Do I recall that Zero had a meeting with Justice Roberts before he was elected? Is that right?

And once again, please tell me what that has to do with the allegations of misconduct by Taitz as covered in post 35?

I am not questioning that there is an interesting and compelling case around Obama's failure to present an actual long form. I am instead in this specific instance seeing Clarence Thomas upholding a lower court ruling against Taitz for some very blatant legal transgressions. It has nothing to do about the merits of the birther case.

74 posted on 08/16/2010 11:52:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
So we are in agreement, then, that multiple "eligibility" cases have been submitted to SCOTUS...by multiple lawyers. We also are in agreement, it appears, that Justice Thomas is "on record" as admitting that they (SCOTUS) are evading the eligibility issue.

This is far bigger than the (procedurally & grammatically) inexperienced Taitz. That's precisely the point of my post to #59.

75 posted on 08/16/2010 11:55:00 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

I wouldn’t go so far as saying SCOTUS is specifically evading the issue, I think they also might not have had a well-crafted filing - once again, I believe over 90 percent of potential Supreme Court filings are turned aside or backwards.


76 posted on 08/16/2010 11:56:24 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: wideawake

Moreover, Land served three terms in the Georgia State Senate as a Republican, during a time when Democrats still controlled the Governor’s office and both houses of the legislature.


77 posted on 08/16/2010 11:57:34 AM PDT by LorenC
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To: butterdezillion

I have thought Soros was behind everything, starting with the rise in oil prices in January of 2008, which turned out to be manipulation rather than market forces. Given his track record of messing with other countries’ economies, and his hatred for the US, he has been the prime suspect IMHO. Add in voter fraud and the absolute unwillingness of our elected officials to listen to us and our opinions, we are in what amounts to a bloodless coup.


78 posted on 08/16/2010 12:00:11 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: B4Ranch

IMO any judge that has had this subject brought to his court and has shuffled it off is a coward. I also think that the Republican congressmen and senators are TOTALLY corrupt because they haven’t stood up and demanded to see Zeros full history. Just the fact that he is hiding it is a full indication that corruption and fraud exist in the matter.


Here’s what one “coward” judge had to say. This “coward” is a former US Marine Corps Lieutenant, combat vet who won the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart at the Battle of Khe Sahn in Vietnam.
“Plaintiffs have encouraged the Court to ignore mandates of the Constitution; to disregard the limits put on its power put in place by the Constitution; and to effectively overthrow a sitting president who was popularly elected by “We the people”—over sixty nine million of the people.

Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction. Respecting the Constitutional role and jurisdiction of this court is not unpatriotic. Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism.”—US Federal District Court Judge David O. Carter in dismissing “Barnett, et. al. v Barack H. Obama, et. al.”—October 29, 2009


The following “coward” is also a US military veteran and was appointed a federal judge by Ronald Wilson Reagan:
“This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by Constitution. See U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.—Chief US District Court Judge for the District of Columbia Royce C. Lamberth in dismissing Orly Taitz’s quo warranto claim against Barack Obama, April 14, 2010.

And the “coward” who fined Orly Taitz $20,000 for bringing a “frivolous” lawsuit, US District Court Judge for the Middle District of Georgia Clay D. Land. Judge Land was previously a Republican state Senator from Columbus, Georgia. He was recommended for a seat on the federal district court bench by Georgia Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss and Judge Land was nominated by President George W. Bush.
“The Court observes that the President defeated seven opponents in a grueling campaign for his party’s nomination that lasted more than eighteen months and cost those opponents well over $300 million. Then the President faced a formidable opponent in the general election who received $84 million to conduct his general election campaign against the President. It would appear that ample opportunity existed for discovery of evidence that would support any contention that the President was not eligible for the office he sought. Furthermore, Congress is apparently satisfied that the President is qualified to serve. Congress has not instituted impeachment proceedings, and in fact, the House of Representatives in a broad bipartisan manner has rejected the suggestion that the President is not eligible for office. See H.R. Res. 593, 111th Cong. (2009) (commemorating, by vote of 378-0, the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and stating, “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961”).“

“A spurious claim questioning the President’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.
“–US Federal District Court Judge for the Middle District of Georgia Clay D. Land in dismissing “Rhodes v MacDonald” September 16, 2009


79 posted on 08/16/2010 12:01:33 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: dirtboy

Could you please tell me, in simple English, what exactly you base your unfounded and somewhat irresponsible statements regarding the efforts Dr. Taitz has put forth consistent with her chosen profession. Are you a member of the Bar? Have you even taken the time to read one page of Dr. Taitz’ motions? How do you know the “clerks” in the Supreme Court are not guilty of altering records? I, for a fact, have spoken directly with Mr. Eric Fossum on July 27 2010, a clerk in the Supreme Court when Dr. Taitz first heard of Justice Alito allegedly denying her motion. She discovered that not only were her documents not entered into the log of the Court, there was no “Official” signature by Justice Alito, or any other Justice. When I asked Mr. Fossum if this was true, he initially told me “A clerk signed it” and when I tried to question him further by asking him “Is this the same as a “Real Justice” signing the documents”he was something less than forthcoming in his answers and finally told me”I’m not going to go down this road any more any more”, and hung up on me.
Until you take the time to read and digest the details involved in these proceedings, such as your actually finding the necessary “Legal and Official” signatures denying these motions I will consider your statements nothing more than “opinion”, to which you are most certainly welcome.


80 posted on 08/16/2010 12:15:21 PM PDT by MODELSHIPS
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To: dirtboy

>And once again, please tell me what that has to do with the allegations of misconduct by Taitz as covered in post 35? <

Nothing. Conversation closed.


81 posted on 08/16/2010 12:16:56 PM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: MODELSHIPS
Could you please tell me, in simple English, what exactly you base your unfounded and somewhat irresponsible statements regarding the efforts Dr. Taitz has put forth consistent with her chosen profession.

Try post 35.

82 posted on 08/16/2010 12:19:18 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
So when Justice Thomas tells Rep. Jose Serrano (& others in attendance at the Appropriations Subcommittee on General Government), that they (SCOTUS) are "evading" the issue about weather someone can be foreign born and be eligible to serve as POTUS...that you think they are not evading the eligibility issue? What was Justice Thomas saying then?

I believe it's been stated elsewhere, that roughly 1-2% of the docket receives some form of attention from the Court. Meaning, 98-99% are "turned away."

83 posted on 08/16/2010 12:19:42 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: dirtboy

Correct. An unwillingness to follow the rules of court, including correct grammar, formatting, even down to type size and paper size, not to mention an inability to correctly articulate issues is the death knell to any appeal. They take no prisoners on that kind of thing.


84 posted on 08/16/2010 12:22:19 PM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: rxsid
RE: your link at post 63 -

Thomas' seriousness about "evading that one" is ambiguous at best. One usually doesn't laugh when making a statement in earnest. (Another stretch by Birthers to legitimize their claims).

85 posted on 08/16/2010 12:28:56 PM PDT by jla
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To: rxsid
What was Justice Thomas saying then?

His opinion. Given the high percentage of cases that get turned away, however, it could also be explained by that. We don't know.

86 posted on 08/16/2010 12:29:28 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: LonelyCon

Taitz may go down in history as the worst representative for what might turn out, in the end, to be worthy cause.


87 posted on 08/16/2010 12:29:43 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: jamese777

Yes, and I am not impressed with the justice system that we currently have which searches for laws on how to control the people of the federal corporation of these United States instead of allowing us to have the full liberties of the Constitution that the founders intended for us to have. Nor am I even slightly impressed with the Congress that writes the laws to allow the justice system to rob us of our freedoms and liberty.


88 posted on 08/16/2010 12:34:49 PM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: jamese777

Allow me to ask if you respect or admire Henry Kissinger. Just a yes or no will suffice.


89 posted on 08/16/2010 12:36:22 PM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

“so why two Senators?”

Because it says so in the Constitution?


90 posted on 08/16/2010 12:39:06 PM PDT by Coronal
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To: jla
Of course he was just kidding! I mean, why would he even mention that anyway? /s

By the way, if your compelled to be a juvenile and attempt to put a label on me, call me a dualer. His place of birth is a secondary issue.

91 posted on 08/16/2010 12:46:09 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: dirtboy

Right. His opinion, based on actually being there...on the “inside.”


92 posted on 08/16/2010 12:47:01 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Coronal
Refer to Constitutional Amendment 33B:

"Occasionally readers of Kenny Bunk posts shall be required to develop ye olde Down east SoH."

93 posted on 08/16/2010 12:48:19 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Republican Party was founded to Save the Union. Can it now Save the Republic?)
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To: butterdezillion

Like photos or videos of soldiers captured by jihadists stating that the jihadis are nice guys, while using certain body language or code words to show it is under duress.


94 posted on 08/16/2010 12:51:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: nanetteclaret

Exactly.


95 posted on 08/16/2010 12:52:39 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bvw

Moral strength among the elites is almost nil.


Or, moral decrepitude is sky high.


96 posted on 08/16/2010 12:53:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Another “exactly!”

I should just shut up and let you guys do the talking; you are right on!


97 posted on 08/16/2010 12:53:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

I remember that run on the bank , and no one did anything about it. They never looked up where it came from, it is like it never happened.

I knew then that these type things cannot happen woithout someone knowing. but they were all frightened to find out who and to reveal that person. I too believe Soros was the only one with that kind of power.


98 posted on 08/16/2010 12:56:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: MODELSHIPS; Candor7

Thanks, MODELSHIPS - and Candor, make sure you read his little story about what happened when he talked to the SCOTUS clerk.

There are evil doings everywhere. Blackmail, bribes, threats - I am sure all have been used generously.


99 posted on 08/16/2010 1:01:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: butterdezillion

Your comments are among the best.

I’m just a member of the peanut gallery on these threads.

Reading and learning, and walking over the piles of dog poo.


100 posted on 08/16/2010 1:03:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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