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I attended this hearing. The Dems on the subcommittee were left speechless.

Edward J. Erler Professor of Political Science, California State University, San Bernardino and Senior Fellow, The Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy

1 posted on 08/13/2010 3:37:38 PM PDT by La Lydia
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Senator Howard knew, as his reference to natural law indicates, that the republican basis for citizenship is consent.

I haven't read the whole speech yet but this obviously brings up a flaw in the reasoning that simply being born in the U.S. means that you're under its jurisdiction. Would a child born to a foreigner who does not desire U.S. citizenship for them be a U.S. citizen? According to the logic of those who say the 14th A. confers citizenship on anyone born on our soil citizenship would be forced on the newborns of foreigners who don't want it. That has never happened.

39 posted on 08/13/2010 5:32:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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Hmm...it’s not a new argument.


40 posted on 08/13/2010 5:46:35 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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That’s right. If you are here illegally, your CHILDREN do not become citizens. Your GRANDCHILDREN do not become citizens. Your GREAT GRANDCHILDREN do not become citizens.

There are probably many millions of “Americans” who are the direct descendants of illegals and whose entire family trees are either illegal or born to illegals! We need to weed them out and deport ALL of them. I think we should go back as many generations as we have to. If you don’t have a REAL American in the woodpile who could confer citizenship down the line, then OUT YOU GO.

America should be full of AMERICANS. That includes, of course, all LEGAL immigrants and naturalized citizens.

But there should be NO anchor babies or even anchor GRANDCHILDREN.


43 posted on 08/13/2010 6:32:14 PM PDT by USALiberty
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47 posted on 08/13/2010 7:54:25 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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I see a serious point for debate.

If Indians are NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, how did Charles Curtis become vice-president (Herbert Hoover) and potentially, presumably, also to be president?

48 posted on 08/13/2010 9:12:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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And a previous FR article with Edward J. Erler

American Jackpot: The Remaking of America by Birthright Citizenship

49 posted on 08/13/2010 10:12:58 PM PDT by Red Steel
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That the Dems were left speechless illustrates they are even dumber than I thought.

At my husbands place of work, every new hire receives a pocket sized Constitution and have done so in the 30+ years he’s been with the firm. One thorough read with reasonable reading comprehension should make it perfectly clear.

Were you able to keep yo face impassive at the sight of their bemusement?


51 posted on 08/14/2010 1:17:45 AM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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Ping to fabulous post


52 posted on 08/14/2010 1:36:53 AM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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" I attended this hearing. The Dems on the subcommittee were left speechless "

Translated, they where so overwhelmed by it, that they could not spin it fast enough to fool the public in what they heard... and they got owned.
54 posted on 08/14/2010 2:50:58 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USAis no civility in)
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Ping!

Good 14th Amendment article.


57 posted on 08/14/2010 5:34:53 AM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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61 posted on 08/14/2010 9:11:53 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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Of course children of illegal aliens should not be granted citizenship.


63 posted on 08/14/2010 4:51:31 PM PDT by Dante3
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Great post !

When does an anchor baby become a citizen? It seems to me they become citizens when they hand over their birth certificate to go to school, register to vote, get a driver’s license, or apply for a paassport.

It is the issuance of a State birth certificate that empowers them to claim citizenship. The birth certifcate is issued by the State. The State bureau of vital statistics is charged with the orderly and timely registrations of births. That doesn’t mean the child should be issued one. By issuing birth certificates, the States are in effect granting citizenship and they do not have that authority. One of the above posts stated that no case has been brought to challenge illegal alien babies becoming citizens. Why not?

If we wait for Congress to amend the Constitution or write a new law, we will be dead by time that happens.

I suggest that taxpayers sue their State for issuing birth certificates to babies of illegal aliens. Upon prevailing, the federal government will sue the State. I opine the federal government will not have standing. Issuing bc are a function of the State (at the moment), not the federal government.

No birth certificate, no citizenship, technically.

Then the aclu will sue the State on behalf of an illegal baby and it will go to the Supreme Court. But in the mean time, they will not have a birth certificate and that would be faster than waiting for hell to freeze over.

It will be necessary for one to determine if the Governor and the AG are friendlies. If they are and if they are not up for re-election (with a large hispanic pop) and if your State is not in the spotlight right now, this is doable.

What do you think? Are we going to wait for Congress or are we going to go after the Feds for breaking the law via the States for a change? Time is of the essence.


64 posted on 08/15/2010 1:00:26 AM PDT by jdirt
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I’ve been thinking about all the birther stuff. From the 0bama issue to this morning the anchor baby issue.

Can an anchor baby be President? Born in America to non-American parents here illegally?

Is the 0bama birth certificate issue, actually bigger than just the Office of the President?

If 0bama is found to be ineligible due to dual citizenships etc. (United States-Mom, Britain-Dad, and Indonesia-Legal Step Father), truly...how does that affect immigration and the anchor baby issue?

Why are they trying to keep it all under wraps? Maybe it is not just the Office of the President, but what the ramifications that result from it extending to the anchor baby issue.


66 posted on 08/15/2010 8:09:58 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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