Report: 8 percent of U.S. newborns have undocumented parents (Totally unsustainable)

cnn ^ | 8/11/2010 | STAFF

[tobyhill]

One of about every 12 babies born in the United States in 2008 was the offspring of unauthorized immigrants, a Pew Hispanic Center study released Wednesday concluded.

According to the study, an estimated 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in this country that year had parents who were in the United States without legal documentation.

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution stipulates that those children automatically become U.S. citizens, but some members of Congress are pushing to change that provision. That effort -- rooted in the debate over illegal immigration, particularly of people from Mexico -- has created some controversy.

[BenLurkin]

The Washington politicians are getting what they want — voters that aren’t unhappy with them and who don’t give a rip about the Constitution.

[Chuzzlewit]

amazing. jump the fence, have your baby, and voila.. you can’t be sent home.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

This is why we need Comprehensive Deportation Reform.

[darkwing104]

Why is my meter pinging?

[OldDeckHand]

In 25 years, the Republicans will be lucky to have 35 seats in Senate. That is the practical reality. And, if the Democrats manage to get their coveted "pathway to citizenship" enacted, it will be worse - way worse.

Might want to think about carving up the country. Demographically it's no longer sustainable, and economically it's no longer sustainable.

[tobyhill]

Why? Because it’s more like 25%?

[umgud]

an estimated 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in this country that year had parents who were in the United States without legal documentation

340,000 free birthing events, imediately followed 18 years of welfare, then registration as a democrat.

I also gotta wonder how many anchor babies are now produciing their own babies.

[tobyhill]

Yep. That’s 8% Rat voters accumulated year after year beyond the age of 18.

[OldDeckHand]

I think it's quite accurate. For instance, at Parkland Hospitial in Dallas TX, 70% of the women who give birth, are illegal aliens (1Q 2006), and Parkland delivers roughly 16K babies each year.

While Parkland is perhaps an extreme case, it's not a unique case insomuch that illegals are accounting for a sizable percentage of birth in the US.

[pieceofthepuzzle]

If this is the left’s strategy, then our response should be to have as many children as we can possibly afford. At least until the left limits us to one.

[darkwing104]

Why? Because it’s more like 25%?

Somewhere between the two...However, I have to consider the source...

a Pew Hispanic Center study released Wednesday concluded.

[Fast Ed97]

In 25 years, the Republicans will be lucky to have 35 seats in Senate. That is the practical reality. And, if the Democrats manage to get their coveted "pathway to citizenship" enacted, it will be worse - way worse. Might want to think about carving up the country. Demographically it's no longer sustainable, and economically it's no longer sustainable

I think I came to that realization in 2004, when Bush narrowly won over a left-wing radical from Massachusetts. 16 years earlier in a similar race against a lib from Massachussetts, the elder Bush won in a landslide carrying such states as California, New Jersey and Illinois. Now those states are not even competitive.

[BenLurkin]

And still don’t speak English.

[patriot08]

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Help Texas watch her borders.
Watch live on 14 cameras and report illegal alien invaders.
Night cams in operation

http://www.blueservo.net/index.php?error=nlg

Does it work? Yes.
Best time to catch them is at night.
Recently caught on cam and reported:
String of illegals running through brush with backpacks
Numerous sightings of boats crossing the river
Numerous vehicles late at night in isolated areas
IMMENSELY satisfying

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[darkwing104]

While Parkland is perhaps an extreme case, it's not a unique case insomuch that illegals are accounting for a sizable percentage of birth in the US

The key word is undocumented parents How many more had phony documents?

[Longbow1969]

In 25 years, the Republicans will be lucky to have 35 seats in Senate. That is the practical reality. And, if the Democrats manage to get their coveted "pathway to citizenship" enacted, it will be worse - way worse.

Correct. This is the reality. There are just not enough white people and the major minority blocks just vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Maybe attitudes will change, but it is difficult to reach ignorant people who have no idea what made America work in the first place.

[Jacquerie]

According to CNN

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution stipulates that those children automatically become U.S. citizens

Yep, its right next to the abortion, only cops and military can own weapons, and separation of church and state amendments.

[OldDeckHand]

"The key word is undocumented parents How many more had phony documents?"

At Parkland specifically, probably not that many more, only because Parkland is a county/state hospital where the illegals have free access to health care. They don't have to steal someone's identity at Parkland to get treatment, like they do at other hospitals. Parkland - and by Parkland, I mean the Texas and US tax-payers - treats all comers.

I read a figure during the Obamacare debate about the amount of money hospitals have to write off due to identity fraud. I can't remember the exact number, but it was billions, not millions.

My brother is a physician, and the managing partner at a pretty good sized practice. One of the reasons they stopped accepting medicare patients is because of identity theft. It's rarely talked about in the media, precisely because so much of it is committed by illegals.

[darkwing104]

My brother is a physician, and the managing partner at a pretty good sized practice. One of the reasons they stopped accepting medicare patients is because of identity theft. It's rarely talked about in the media, precisely because so much of it is committed by illegals.

I can understand that and I don't blame him one bit.

My gut tells me that the number of illegals giving birth here is closer to 10%. I can't blame the children, they are innocent, but I really don't like the idea of supporting deadbeats and schemers.

[Lurking Libertarian]

amazing. jump the fence, have your baby, and voila.. you can’t be sent home.

Not true. Under current immigration law (as chnaged in the 1990s), a citizen under age 18 cannot sponsor any non-citizen relatives for immigration. So, if the parents are caught, they are sent back, but the child is issued a U.S. passport and can return at age 18.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Yep, its right next to the abortion, only cops and military can own weapons, and separation of church and state amendments.

Nope, this one is really in the Constitution:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

[Pearls Before Swine]

My brother is a physician, and the managing partner at a pretty good sized practice. One of the reasons they stopped accepting medicare patients is because of identity theft.

Medicare or Medicaid? If Medicare, then the practice doesn't take anyone over 65. Is that correct?

[SunkenCiv]

One of about every 12 babies born in the United States in 2008 was the offspring of unauthorized immigrants

for "unauthorized immigrants" read "illegal aliens" and add "who should be deported along with their newborns".

[HiJinx]

Ping!

Okay, now this is getting ridiculous - various sources are saying that based on this study, one in 8, 10, 12, or 15 babies is born to an illegal parent.

No wonder they think there are still only 10-11 million illegals in the country...

[tbw2]

It may be the difference between one illegal parent and two illegal parents. And Hispanics who may be witholding documentation to have the baby for free.

[kearnyirish2]

Here in northern NJ more like over 50%; over the years when my children have been born the maternity wards would have 2 white babies, 3 black babies, 1 Asian baby, and 10 Hispanic babies with non-English-speaking family & visitors...

The whites that would have children wouldn’t have them in NJ if they could help it (maybe in western NJ).

[Jacquerie]

Illegal Mexican citizens tripping over the border in time to pop a kid are not subject to our jurisdiction.

No jurisdiction, no citizen.

[OldDeckHand]

'Medicare or Medicaid? If Medicare, then the practice doesn't take anyone over 65. Is that correct? "

Sorry, I could have Medicaid/Medicare confusion. No, they have patients over 65.

[OldDeckHand]

As I think about it, his practice may not take either. He does have patients over 65, but I think those are private insurance patients. I'd have to ask him to be sure.

[PghBaldy]

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution stipulates that those children automatically become U.S. citizens, It actually says the opposite. Only people born of citizens are citizens.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Illegal Mexican citizens tripping over the border in time to pop a kid are not subject to our jurisdiction. No jurisdiction, no citizen.

Foreign diplomats are not under our jurisdiction-- they have diplomatic immunity. Illegal aliens are under our jurisdiction, otherwise we could not prosecute them for illegal entry or any other crimes they commit. No jurisdiction, no criminal prosecution.

[Regulator]

Wrong, paleface. You're confusing territorial jurisdiction (a policing concept) with political jurisdiction (a nationality concept), as has been explained here a thousand times.

The sentence is not written to be redundant.

[PghBaldy]

That’s not what it means. It means citizen or subject, not some nomad traveling through. It has been changed by libs recently to mean something else.

[cmj328]

Part of the problem is that American citizens aren’t having babies.

Now we know 8% are illegal-born. How many were born to legal immigrants?

[Clintonfatigued]

Ping

[rmlew]

This study was released by Pew Hispanic center. They are likely under counting. But lets assume it's correct. Left, corporations, and usefuly idiot libertarians claim there are only 12 million illegals. That is 4% of the population. This means that they have double the native birthrate. That's what, 4 anchor babies per illegal alien woman?

Still unsustainable. Howver, I think the trye figures are 20 million illegals and 12%+ for anchor babies.

The Goths have crossed the Danube. If we do not expell them, Adrianople and the fall await.

[rmlew]

Thanks to the 8% and like true figure of 12%+, white children born today are a minority. And thanks to political correctness (Cultural Marxism), Grievance Politics, and affirmative action these white children are a despised, indoctrinated-into self-loathing, and official persecuted minority.

As a son and grandson of Holocaust-survivors, I really don't like where this is going. I am still stunned that the people who created this country allowed it to happen.

[citizenredstater9271]

Mexofascism at its greatest. Illegal mexicans pour into America as part of the reconquista then have babies to avoid being deported. And whos supposed to pay for all these anchor babies? Where in the Constitution does it say illegals can stay if they have babies in America? Who is John Galt?

[superloser]

That’s 8% Rat voters accumulated year after year beyond the age of 18.

Also a revenue source. As I recall, the Selective Service Act doesn't distinguish between legal, illegal, or otherwise.

Let the fines begin!

[DemonDeac]

“More than three-fourths of all unauthorized immigrants in the United States in March 2009 were Latinos, the researcher said. And nearly one of every four children under age 18 in the nation was a Hispanic.
That trend is likely to continue, the study concludes.
“Overall, Hispanics who live in the U.S. have higher rates of fertility than do whites, blacks or Asians,” the report states. “And among Hispanics, the foreign born have higher rates of fertility than the native born.””

This is why the Republican party is in trouble in the long term. These people will most likely go for those who promise them the most goodies. Hispanics are a friendly demographic for Democrats and there is no reason to suspect that that’ll change.

[CriticalJ]

“The 14th Amendment to the Constitution stipulates that those children automatically become U.S. citizens . . .”

No. It stipulates that citizens born to parents under the jurisdiction of the US are citizens. Some would argue that illegal immigrants are not under the jurisdiction.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Report: 8 percent of U.S. newborns have undocumented parents

That means they have no parents. They should be taken by the DHHS and placed in foster homes.

The illegal invaders should be spirited back across the border.

[jamese777]

No. It stipulates that citizens born to parents under the jurisdiction of the US are citizens. Some would argue that illegal immigrants are not under the jurisdiction.

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Those “some” don’t know what they are talking about. A century of Supreme Court decisions has determined that those aliens with diplomatic immunity and members of foreign occupying militaries are about the only people who aren’t “under the jurisdiction thereof”.

Our prisons are loaded with illegal aliens who committed crimes “under the jurisdiction” of the US. We deport illegals when we catch them under the jurisdiction of US law and just because an illegal alien’s child has US citizenship doesn’t mean that the parents can’t still be deported. It happens quite frequently: the illegal can either leave their American child behind with legal relatives or they can take their American citizen child back across the border with them when they are deported.

[CriticalJ]

‘Those “some” don’t know what they are talking about. A century of Supreme Court decisions has determined that those aliens with diplomatic immunity and members of foreign occupying militaries are about the only people who aren’t “under the jurisdiction thereof”. ‘

Those SC decisions do not mirror the SC decisions of 19th century. There were multiple cases about this.

Only when the constitution became a living, breathing document did things start changing.

[jamese777]

Those SC decisions do not mirror the SC decisions of 19th century. There were multiple cases about this.

Only when the constitution became a living, breathing document did things start changing.

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I can’t think of any Supreme Court decisions that limited citizenship that came AFTER the ratification of the 14th Amendment in 1865 which is where the term “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” originated. Once the Constitution limited citizenship to only two categories: born citizens and naturalized citizens, things changed, regardless of the ideological majority on the Court. For example, there has been a five-four conservative, originalist, strict constructionist majority on the high court for quite a while now and no decision has come down altering the anchor baby situation.
The last time that there was a solid liberal majority on the Supreme Court was in the 1960’s.
When he was a Congressman, the primary author of the Constitution, James Madison said the following from the floor of the House of Representatives: “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will, therefore, be unnecessary to examine any other.”—James Madison, Founding Father, Framer of the Constitution, 4th President of the United States