Posted on 08/09/2010 8:55:51 PM PDT by RobinMasters
The jokers presidency is more about getting to the payday that they will receive in his con about trading exposed by Glen Beck some months ago. Its all about the money for zero IMHO. He’s nothing more than a sock puppet being played by whomever writes the checks.
Everything is possible when it comes to this open book of bio, EVERY THING!!!
He is a planted mole for a long time here on FR and a FINO!!!
Children of CITIZENS be they born overseas ,shall be considered Natural born. (1790). A child born overseas to PARENTS who are American citizens is considered NATURAL BORN BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY IS BASED ON JUS SANGUINUS. Citizenship comes from the parents not place of birth. In obama’s case IF he was born in Kenya , his mother was to young to convey citizenship under the laws in 1961, and thus making him a Kenyan national. If obama was born in Hawaii,he would qualify as a native born citizen under the 14th amendment. Native born because he held dual citizenship at birth(Kenyan) and thus disqualified from being President under Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
The purpose of Article 2 of the Constitution was to prevent foreign influence in the White House by requiring that both parents of the President be U.S. citizens at the time of the President’s birth.
Any passports used by 0 have left the building. The Passport Office was raided during the ‘08 campaign. A witness was murdered before he could testify. No wonder 0 is amused.
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You got it. It is amusing only to narcissistic, sociopathic megalomaniacs.
Could it be that he isn’t the “genius” he is purported to be
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He’s most definitely not a genius. Some of his teachers are already on record saying he got B’s or worse. He’s a classic case of social promotion. And like a classic case of social promotion, he truly believes he made the grade on merit.
Well, he may be right that Obama is enjoying this. He is a malignant narcissist who is pleased with himself for pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes.
And since he has shredded all the document by this time, and murdered at least one inconvenient witness, he feels he has nothing to worry about.
“Come and get me, coppers!” as the insane mobsters used to shout in those old Hollywood movies.
On the other hand, Bilbray really needs to study the constitution that he is sworn to uphold and protect.
Some of the “idiot Republicans” are hoping for a Jindal presidency. He’s got similar eligibility problems. He was born in the US, but neither parent was a citizen at the time.
Some of the “idiot Republicans” are hoping for a Jindal presidency. He’s got similar eligibility problems. He was born in the US, but neither parent was a citizen at the time.
From Curiosity's Profile page.
Quote; "Recently I've become somewhat obcessed with debunking birthers. Not sure why, but I find it somewhat addictive."
Bilbray said it doesn’t matter that Obama’s father, governed by his Kenyan nationality, was a British subject when Obama was born.
*** But he also explained parents can denounce a U.S. citizenship for a child, and that’s why Obama critics should be hunting not for any birth documentation but the passports on which Obama traveled earlier in his life. ***
Personally, Bilbray said he believes Obama was born in Hawaii, “but I don’t know what his status is.”
“He’s a U.S. citizen until proven otherwise,” he said.
“I think the president is enjoying this exercise,” he told WND.
“I think he doesn’t want to clarify it.
I think he’s enjoying it.
“It’s an exercise that he uses to try to discredit his opponents.
(I agree. And this would make Obama a very sick person. i.e., Obama enjoys “birthers” being labeled crazy and racists.)
A lot of this is a distraction.
This citizenship issue is used as a way of distracting from what he’s doing politically,” he said.
He called Obama the “most extreme left-wing president ever.”
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And also the most divisive president ever.
Two points. 1) that provision of the law applied to children born overseas and 2) the law in question is not loger in effect.
Citizenship comes from the parents not place of birth.
Not true. See the 14th amendemnt to the US Constitution.
In obama’s case IF he was born in Kenya , his mother was to young to convey citizenship under the laws in 1961, and thus making him a Kenyan national.
Not if her marriage to his dad was invalid, which is pretty likely given that he already had a wife back in Kenya when he married Stanely Ann. Under the laws at the time, a single mother of any age would convey citizenship. On the other hand, it's possible that Obama Sr.'s first marriage was a tribal ceremony not recognized by the state, in which case you would be right that she, as a married woman, would be too young to convey automatic citizenship.
At any rate, it's a moot point, since hew as born in Hawaii.
If obama was born in Hawaii,he would qualify as a native born citizen under the 14th amendment.
Native born and natual born are synonymous.
Native born because he held dual citizenship at birth(Kenyan) and thus disqualified from being President under Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
There's nothing in Article 2 of the constitution that disqualifies dual citizens from the presidency.
He also happens to be correct.
But he also explained parents can denounce a U.S. citizenship for a child,
On this he is incorrect.
The paragraph also happens to be correct, and all the name calling in the world won't change that.
Framers are not infallible, and the opinions they express on the floor of Congress carry no legal weight.
On the other hand, every single SCOTUS decision that touched on the matter (not to mention the body of English common law, which is the basis of our own legal system) supports the notion that native born and natural born citizenship are synonymous.
If having two US citizen parents is an eligibility requirement, why is it that no one objected to the candidacy of Sipro Agnew? Or Chester Arther? Why is it no one ever inquired into the citizenship status of the parents of a single native-born presidential candidate in the entire history of the United States?
Well it's likely if he was a 1600 SAT, 4.0 in college and ripped the LSAT, those documents would be framed and hung in the WH press briefing room. Since they're in a "lockbox" they're likely nothing to brag about. Baraq was a "ghost" much of his life with an incredibly small amount of documentation associated with him.
Related:
I also stumbled upon some posts by a “svenmagnussen” like this one:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2501382/posts?page=42#42
To: Genoa
The Foreign Affairs Manual has some great information in it.
Check out this link for information on a minor renouncing his citizenship …
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120538.pdf
Be sure and look at page 10, 7 FAM EXHIBIT 1292, A SAMPLE LETTER TO ACCOMPANY CLN FOR MINOR RENUNCIANTS
42 posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:00:27 AM by SvenMagnussen
Related:
http://www.usvisalawyers.co.uk/article3.htm
Renunciation of Citizenship
A US citizen always has the option of voluntarily relinquishing US citizenship by formally renouncing his or her citizenship status before a diplomatic or consular officer in a foreign state.
A person wishing to renounce US citizenship must appear in person before such a US official, in a foreign country—normally at a US embassy or consulate—and sign an Oath of Renunciation.
Thus, US citizens cannot renounce citizenship while in the US (except in time of war), nor can parents renounce citizenship on behalf of their minor children.
A US citizen under the age of 18 must convince a diplomatic or consular officer that he or she understands fully the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his or her US citizenship.
*** If a US citizen child is under the age of 14, US common law requires that the child’s understanding be established by substantial evidence. ***
The US Department of State has determined that there can be no intent to relinquish US citizenship if the renunciant intends to continue to reside in the US unless the renunciant demonstrates that any residence will be as an alien properly documented under US immigration laws.
Renunciation of US citizenship is irrevocable and cannot be set aside without administrative or judicial appeal, except in the case of a former US citizen who officially renounced his or her citizenship prior to attaining the age of 18.
*** Such a renunciant can have citizenship reinstated if he or she makes known that desire to the Department of State within six months of attaining the age of 18.***
When a determination of loss of citizenship has been approved by the Department of State, the Department issues a Certificate of Loss of Nationality (‘CLN’) which is sent to the former US citizen, together with that person’s cancelled US passport.
The CLN will state that citizenship was lost at the time of renunciation or when another expatriating act was performed with the intention to relinquish US citizenship.
When a former US citizen has expatriated, that person will be subject to the immigration laws of the US the same as any other alien, including being subject to all of the grounds of ineligibility for visas and inadmissibility to the US.
Then there’s always the possibility that what Obama doesn’t wish us to see wouldn’t necessarily make him ineligible.
But it might be hugely embarrassing or worse an impeachable offense.
Like more than one Social Security number.
What’s that all about?!
Just speculating.
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