EPA says dispersants no worse than oil alone

WWL TV ^ | August 2, 2010 | Matthew Daley

[Wonder Warthog]

"And you trust the EPA? The same people that want to regulate CO2 and farmers dust."

Two different groups. The first is the folks that do science, who I "do" trust. They know that their data will be fact-checked by others. The second are the political appointees, who make decisions often-timed NOT supported by the science generated by the first group.

[rhombus]

During WW II many, many of miles of east coast beaches were were covered by oil blasted from oil tankers sunk by German U-Boats. Have any of those beaches become usable yet?

I don't know what they were like in 1946, 47 or 48. I was just wondering if using the dispersants was a choice of the lesser of two evils (sort of like voting).

[SeaHawkFan]

Many years ago when I owned a water damage restoration business, a customer has cellulose insulation in his walls. Asked him why he didn’t have fiberglass insulation. He then asked if I didn’t think natural products were better and safer than artificial ones. My response was, “If that were always true, why didn’t he have asbestos insulation. Doesn’t get anymore natural than that.”

[Wonder Warthog]

"I'm concerned that oil broken down by the dipersants will more easily find its way into fish and the food chain than it would've otherwise."

The data presented here says that doesn't happen. Neither the dispersant nor the more toxic components in the oil simply don't stick around long enough for much in the way of bio-accumulation to happen. Too many hungry bacteria in the Gulf.

[Wonder Warthog]

"There are so many things wrong with this. If the dispersants aren't bad, why did BP need to use them?? And, if the oil, by itself, isn't bad what was the panic about??"

Neither of those comments reflect what went on. NOBODY has said that the oil "wasn't bad". The whole point of using the disperants was to prevent many of the "bad effects" of oil. But what has been the propaganda all along was that the combination of oil plus dispersant was MORE toxic than the oil by itself.

"I listened to another EPA dipwad on the radio this morning saying basically that the earth has already dealt with the oil; that's why no one can find it anymore. So, again, the question must be asked, what was the panic all about??"

The "EPA dipwad" is pretty much right. And the "panic" was generated by the green socialists, which you and many others here fell for like a ton of bricks.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

I caught a short section of Rush where he was talkin’ ‘bout this.

[DustyMoment]

You apparently missed this part at the bottom of my post:

(It's a rhetorical question. After 18 months of 0bama, I KNOW the answer!)

[Diogenesis]

"simple tests could miss subtle but important details.
For example, some of the ingredients in a seemingly acceptable dispersant called Sea Brat #4
may degrade into nonylphenol, an endocrine disrupter
that could bioaccumulate in ever-higher concentrations up the food chain."

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"The Corexit 9527 product has been designated a “chronic and acute health hazard” by the EPA.
It is made with 2-butoxyethanol, a highly toxic chemical that has long been linked to the health problems
of cleanup crews who worked on the Exxon Valdez spill."

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"Exxon researchers have already admitted that its dispersant products, Corexit 9527A and Corexit 9500A,
are significantly toxic for aquatic life.
.... the key word to look out for is”Norpar,” Exxon’s line of solvants.
... (Norpar) is basically kerosene... and napthalene …
The story is that Norpar solvent is the primary ingredient in Corexit."

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"Despite Nalco's claims that Corexit is safe, biodegradable, and free of carcinogens,
it happens to contain substances that--you guessed it!--are dangerous, non-biodegradable, and carcinogenic.
For example, there's 2-butoxy ethanol.
2-Butoxy Ethanol can affect you by ingestion and may be absorbed through the skin.
2-Butoxy Ethanol should be handled as a CARCINOGEN--WITH EXTREME CAUTION.
Contact can irritate the skin and eyes with possible eye damage.
Inhaling 2-Butoxy Ethanol can irritate the nose and throat.
2-Butoxy Ethanol can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain.
Exposure can cause headache, dizziness, lightheadedness, and passing out.
2-Butoxy Ethanol may damage the liver and kidneys. "

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"Corexit is also being air sprayed across hundreds of miles of oil slicks all across the gulf.
There have been widespread reports of oil cleanup crews reporting various injuries including respiratory distress, dizziness, and headaches.
Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco of Naperville, Illinois.
Corexit is is four times more toxic than oil
(oil is toxic at 11 ppm (parts per million), Corexit 9500 at only 2.61ppm).

Corexit 9500 was found to be one of the most toxic dispersal agents ever developed.
.... Corexit mixed with the higher gulf coast water temperatures becomes even more toxic.
The warnings on the Corexit packaging is straightforward. Breathing in Corexit is not recommended."

[Wonder Warthog]

Links to green garbage will be ignored.

I checked one just for grins. "Secret Ingredients in Corexit Dispersant are Carcinogenic and Absorbed Through the Skin". There ARE no "secret ingredients" in either Corexit. NALCO long ago published the full contents of each.

I suspect all the rest of them are equally bogus, but I'm not going to waste my time going through them.

[Diogenesis]

Wonder Warthog, hi. Glad someone is here to defend
BP, the neo-Anglo-Persian oil company
and COREXIT. Too bad you always ignore the medical,
toxicity, neurologic, endocrine, and reproductive issues.

Which is LEAST likely (pick one; Test time = 1 minute!!):
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1. Pres_ _ent Obama was the biggest recipient of BP cash
2. British Petroleum (BP) pumped $71,000 into Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign
3. Pres_ _ent Obama's White House chief is tied to a BP adviser
4. Pres_ _ent Obama's White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is connected to BP
5. Pres_ _ent Obama shrewdly made money in the dispersements.
6. The dispersants contain PCB made by NALCO is based in Chicago with subsidiaries in Brazil, Russia, India, China and Indonesia.
7. BP's Fallen Deepwater Horizon was tapping second largest oil deposit in the world
8. Pres_ _ent Obama exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study
9. Pres_ _ent Obama did this despite BP's long record of legal, ethical violations
10. Pres_ _ent Obama's Federal Regulator Repeatedly Failed to Inspect Deepwater Horizon
11. Pres_ _ent Obama exempted BP's Gulf drilling from environmental impact study
12. Pres_ _ent Obama sheltered BP's Deepwater Horizon rig from regulatory requirement
13. Pres_ _ent Obama continued this despite that "Red Flags Were Ignored Aboard Doomed Rig
14. Pres_ _ent Obama allowed drilling 'without required permits' (also Drilling Without Needed Permits)
15. Pres_ _ent Obama will willingly release his birth certificate, like every other American citizen.

[Diogenesis]

You dont like post #28 because the information shows
that what you posted was a lie. COREXIT is more toxic than oil.

COREXIT is not like food in your refrigerator, as you claim.

“128 BP oil cleanup workers sickened in Louisiana; Told not to go to public hospitals
Louisiana’s Health Department has reported 128 cleanup workers who have been sickened.
State clinics are telling us something else as well, that cleanup workers are being told
to report to BP’s own health clinic on Grand Isle, not to go to state facilities.”

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“Effects of a Brazilian oil spill 10 years on

The mud is thick, black and lifeless. And it stinks.
Dead stumps - what used to be thick green mangrove swamps -
protrude out from the mud as far as your eyes see.
It looks like a scene captured by a camera attached
to an unmanned spacecraft that has just landed on a lifeless planet in another galaxy.”

[Wonder Warthog]

"Too bad you always ignore the medical, toxicity, neurologic, endocrine, and reproductive issues."

I ignore nothing based on real science. OTOH, I "do" ignore green propaganda, which is basically all that you post.

[Wonder Warthog]

"COREXIT is more toxic than oil."

The recent SCIENTIFIC EPA study has proven this to be wrong.

[Diogenesis]

You certainly miss the mark regarding truth.
Readers of your posts deserve a warning label.

First, COREXIT (and which types were used, and their amounts delivered
is not clear) is not for humans.

Second, you posted a lie regarding its toxicity.

Third, you have already shown that you are neither knowledgable about
nor really care about human endocrine, neurologic, reproductive, renal, pulmonary effects
of these varied (and a variety were delivered) toxic materials.

Fourth, a few of the threads about COREXIT are on FReeRepublic. "Green" enough for you?
Enjoy.

Censored Gulf eyewitness testimonies of coughing up blood and other horror stories"

Fired BP Contractor Claims Photo Flap Led To Dismissal"

Effects of a Brazilian oil spill 10 years on (Our Gulf is SCREWED!)"

CNN: 128 BP oil cleanup workers sickened in Louisiana; Told not to go to public hospitals (VIDEO)"

Gulf Spill Pictures: Toxic Oil Found Just Under Beaches."

What is oil spill doing to our health? Many questions, few answers in ongoing catastrophe"

CONTAMINATION - Coming Soon to Food Near You - Produced by Nalco Corexit - Directed by Barack Obama"

Alert! Epidemic Hazard declared - Corexits Reign of Terror"

Toxic Corexit dispersant chemicals remained secret as feds colluded with Big Business"

[Wonder Warthog]

"You certainly miss the mark regarding truth. Readers of your posts deserve a warning label."

Yeah. It should read "Real Science Found Here". As opposed to the tripe you post. Conspiracy theory and/or green bullshit.

[Diogenesis]

To see if you were correct, went back and read your posts
in this thread.
Nope. Not one (1) was systematized knowledge.

So you need a “WARNING LABEL” after all.

Also, toxicity studies are neither conspiracy nor the
other phrase you tend to throw about whenever things
are far over your sophomoric head trained in some
aspects of the oil field.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Not one (1) was systematized knowledge."

Uh, the main article was related to the acquisition of "systematized knowledge". I assume that people are sufficiently intelligent to go from that article to the EPA website and find the information on the study itself.

"Also, toxicity studies are neither conspiracy nor the other phrase you tend to throw about whenever things are far over your sophomoric head trained in some aspects of the oil field."

LOL, nothing you posted was about any "toxicity study", just anecdotal comments about people who "have symptoms" with zero proof of actual connection with any actual toxin.

Please stop wasting my time with garbage.

[Diogenesis]

Wonder Warthog to Diogenesis
Diogenesis: [referring to the half-baked posts of Wonder Warthog]
"Not one (1) was systematized knowledge."

Wonder Warthog: [changing the subject to defect from the truth]
"Uh, the main article was related to the acquisition of "systematized knowledge".
I assume that people are sufficiently intelligent to go from that article to the
EPA website and find the information on the study itself."

You changed what I posted about to something else.
That seems to be your SOP: Deflect, Disingenuity, Insults.

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Diogenesis: "Also, toxicity studies are neither conspiracy nor the other phrase you
tend to throw about whenever things are far over your sophomoric head trained
in some aspects of the oil field."


Wonder Warthog: [changing the subject to defect from the truth]
"LOL, nothing you posted was about any "toxicity study", just anecdotal
comments about people who "have symptoms" with zero proof of actual
connection with any actual toxin."

Reading and truth are not a big thing with you.
Readers will decide for themselves, but imho, you need a 'warning label'
as you post here nonsense for BP and the COREXIT-making companies.