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Gold Coin Sellers Angered by New Tax Law
abcnews.com ^ | 07/21/10 | RICH BLAKE

Posted on 07/21/2010 8:25:54 AM PDT by DFG

Those already outraged by the president's health care legislation now have a new bone of contention -- a scarcely noticed tack-on provision to the law that puts gold coin buyers and sellers under closer government scrutiny.

The issue is rising to the fore just as gold coin dealers are attracting attention over sales tactics.

Section 9006 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will amend the Internal Revenue Code to expand the scope of Form 1099. Currently, 1099 forms are used to track and report the miscellaneous income associated with services rendered by independent contractors or self-employed individuals.

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KEYWORDS: barter; gold; goldbugping; obamacare
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To: Errant

Agreed, see tagline.


41 posted on 07/21/2010 9:54:32 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: DFG
The consequences of the 1099-K law, if it ever goes into effect, have ramifications FAR beyond the coin business.

99+% of the harm will be done to small businesses that have never heard of coins.

42 posted on 07/21/2010 9:58:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Same here! Going Galt or leaving the Matrix took me about 6 months to break the lifelong indoctrination to be a obident little tax paying engine. I actually felt guilty.

Never again will I fall for their propaganda or allow them to take even one second of my remaining time on earth without a fight.

Life and freedom to live it your way is too precious, too short and too wonderful to die a slave.

43 posted on 07/21/2010 10:07:27 AM PDT by Errant
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To: DFG

Couldn’t this make silver more popular as a backlash?


44 posted on 07/21/2010 10:25:13 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: KarlInOhio

So...guilty until proven innocent?


45 posted on 07/21/2010 10:28:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: ctdonath2
So...guilty until proven innocent?

I think that's carved above the door to the IRS, right below "Abandon all hope ye who enter here".

46 posted on 07/21/2010 10:34:09 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Re last post...

Seriously, if I hold a garage sale and sell $700 in stuff, I have to file the 1099s form and pay confiscatory taxes unless I can produce receipts for the stuff showing I had a loss? Like I’m going to have receipts for books, camping gear, dishes, etc. I’ve had for a couple decades?

They’re drawing a line in the sand where I cannot avoid stepping over it, but somehow it will be my fault...


47 posted on 07/21/2010 10:34:47 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: ctdonath2
1099s are produced by the buyer. Thus is some company saw your garage sale and bought $600 or more from you, they would have to send you a 1099 under the new rules. You don't have to produce one on what you sell.

I don't know what the exact rules are on garage sales, but if you are making a profit (such as making artsy-craftsy stuff and selling it from more than the cost of goods) then you are supposed to report and pay taxes on the profit. If you are selling off old junk for a loss (like most garage sales) then you don't have to report the income. Sorry, I can't quote the exact tax form and if you get arrested for using my advice, please tell me so I can send you a file in a cake.

48 posted on 07/21/2010 10:49:49 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: Errant

Way to go! Not all of us have the ability to do this. I am self-employed, my wife had a reg job. When I saw that Obama was doing what we all feared, I had her retire and I went into semi-retirement. We have cut our taxable income by around 70%. We will not pay much in fed taxes going forward. We were already headed this way, but moved everything forward a few years. Best decision evah.

Sold the city house, moved to the country. The libs can pay for Obama’s utopia.


49 posted on 07/21/2010 11:33:35 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: drpix
This is only Act-1. It is meant to track the Gold to better implement Act-2 which be either the FDR move - confiscation - or the European one - a “wealth tax.”

Wealth tax?

Where in the Constitution is it written that the Feds can tax the same earnings an indefinite number of times?

Far as I can tell, folks can ony buy gold with after tax money."

For the record, I don't own gold.

50 posted on 07/21/2010 12:01:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("We don't want to hear words; we want action and results.")
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To: drpix
This is only Act-1. It is meant to track the Gold to better implement Act-2 which be either the FDR move - confiscation - or the European one - a “wealth tax.”

Wealth tax?

Where in the Constitution is it written that the Feds can tax the same earnings an indefinite number of times?

Far as I can tell, folks can ony buy gold with after tax money."

For the record, I don't own gold.

51 posted on 07/21/2010 12:01:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("We don't want to hear words; we want action and results.")
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To: donmeaker

Hmmm... I have lots of both.

What does that make me?


52 posted on 07/21/2010 12:11:51 PM PDT by super7man
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To: DFG
The last line in the story:

The office of the National Taxpayer Advocate, a citizen's ombudsman within the IRS, issued a report June 30 that said the new rule "may present significant administrative challenges to taxpayers and the IRS."

What an unmitigated disaster this Kenyan Clown's circus is for our country.

53 posted on 07/21/2010 12:12:25 PM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Yeah, but at least had employment for life, three hots and a bench, as short as it was. lol


54 posted on 07/21/2010 12:17:47 PM PDT by Dem Guard (Throw the trash out on November 2nd!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

I can’t believe no one noticed this gold tax before today. The bill has been out there for many weeks now.


55 posted on 07/21/2010 12:36:11 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: SaxxonWoods
That sounds familiar. I took early retirement 7 years ago, started a profitable business and closed it when Obama took office. It's my way of protesting what has happened in our country. Besides, if things change, I can always start another and they're going to take our guns, gold, savings, SS, and property anyway. Since then, I've increasing worked to become self-sufficent and have taken every advantage to do so (i.e. government subsidized energy production/savings programs).

It is a peaceful and lawful method of defeating the socialist progressive takeover that may actually work, not that supporting the Tea Party movement or protesting isn't helpful. DIY is a terrific part of this plan. Your labor isn't taxed, the cost you'd pay to have it done isn't taxed and you get a great feeling of accomphisment when it's finished. The tools you purchase become additional resources for your self-sufficeny arsenal and may be used for a future source of income or trade.

Most of my time now is spent around the people I love and care about. We enjoy catching, growing, preparing and preserving foods.

You have to stay in shape and that means biking, long hikes, exercise and so forth.

Not everyone can leave the matrix but everyone can take a step in that direction. For benefit of others, they can begin by dropping pay TV, newspapers, magazines. Buy and store foods in bulk, purchase food processing equipment, start a DIY project (look to youtube for how to vids), cut back on spending, keep some cash at home, start saving more, go enjoy the outdoors through some low cost means (i.e. camping, biking, hiking, canoeing, build a wooden boat) and stop wasting time. Our good days are numbered.

56 posted on 07/21/2010 12:50:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: DFG

Humph. This all based on compliance. If no one complies it remains invisible.


57 posted on 07/21/2010 1:22:16 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: Errant

You have the right idea. Are you on dial up or high speed internet and is that your only vice.


58 posted on 07/21/2010 1:25:10 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: super7man

It does not matter. You could not comply with the code if you tried. We are all unconvicted felons and they can hassle us anytime. The code is written to make us confused and easily controlled.


59 posted on 07/21/2010 1:27:47 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: dennisw
I actually have two vices... :) DSL and aircard as a hold over from my business.

I'd like to drop one but I have a security system that depends on a phone line. I would like to drop the DSL and long distance plan from AT&T that will save about 125 a month and use the aircard @ 65 a month (I will have to get some type of voice over IP for the security system) and keep my cell phones.

I have dropped sat TV, newspaper and my only mags are from the associations that I belong to and no more 1099s to fill out this year.

60 posted on 07/21/2010 1:32:44 PM PDT by Errant
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