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Officer Involved in Costco Shooting Involved in 2006 Shooting(NV)
8newsnow.com ^ | 12 July, 2010 | NA

Posted on 07/13/2010 4:07:32 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: chuck_the_tv_out
I think when they sign on the dotted line to be a cop, they have placed their life above others. It seems the police have an easier ROE than the boys in the STAN do. If any of them had tried this in the Helmand, he would be right along Stan Macchrystal right now. COPS should be all charged with murder, If I have to expect to be able to show good judgment when getting shot at, they should show good judgment when no shots are fired Ranting off
21 posted on 07/13/2010 5:14:55 AM PDT by hoskinsr3106
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To: biggredd1

Wow! Were you there? Did you see him damaging property and rampaging the store? It sounds to me like a WHOLE BUNCH of people over reacted!

I legally CC all the time. If a guy in a store starts waving a gun and rampaging, I’ll make sure I take him out while you hide under the produce...

It’s EASY to side with the police. Do a little research first... The case in New Mex was domestic.


22 posted on 07/13/2010 5:21:50 AM PDT by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: Krankor
I agree wih your assessment up to the point that you credulously accept the circumstances of the second gun.

At this point, I find it just as likely that the second gun is a throw-down to help (as you note) the cops' case. Most cops are fine and upstanding public servants that are in it for the right reasons. But there are more ignorant, overzealous, and downright evil bastards "protecting us" than will ever make me comfortable. The Atlanta PD shooting of a 92 year old woman in a botched raid and the subsequent planting of evidence and coverup opened my eyes permanently.

This case stinks to high heaven. I pray the CCTV video A) exists undamaged, B) is in control of an independent agency, and C) is clear enough to resolve this without question one way or another.

23 posted on 07/13/2010 5:31:16 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: Spktyr

The “blue wall of silence” doesn’t work very well when a camera is present.


24 posted on 07/13/2010 5:33:02 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: biggredd1

“The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun,...”

Not true, and I wasn’t even there! Better read some eyewitness stories before you make stuff like that up!


25 posted on 07/13/2010 5:38:14 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: AngryJawa

Yep, either a totally normal, upstanding guy suddenly had a breakdown one day (which is definitely possible), or a set of circumstances developed where an innocent man was gunned down by some overzealous and/or poorly trained cops- who may now be trying to cover it up.


26 posted on 07/13/2010 5:50:01 AM PDT by Krankor (I'm just a soul whose intentions are good.)
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To: Spktyr
I've seen new cameras with built in flash drives built into chest mikes. Something like that could record a situation in its entirety from the officers POV. It is My opinion that this sort of thing will become as common an in-car cameras. They serve to reduce a departments liability while weeding out the small amount of jerks on police forces that seem to cause most of the trouble.

CC

27 posted on 07/13/2010 5:50:22 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (ostende mihi pecuniam!)
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To: biggredd1

Then I’m sure there is security camera footage showing this. In fact it’s probably been released right? Oh wait, it hasn’t. Wonder why?


28 posted on 07/13/2010 5:54:49 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: marktwain

I think it might be a good idea to know which areas Officer Mosher is assigned to patrol, and to make a determined effort never to go there.


29 posted on 07/13/2010 5:55:08 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Krankor
“Costco employee points out the victim. The cops start screaming at him- “Drop your gun”, “Get down on your knees”,”Hit the ground”.”

I suspect your theory is the correct one.
Statements from the victims employer...”model employee, best salesman”, graduate of military academy, etc don't tend to support a rampaging lunatic creating panic.

For the sake of argument, let's say that he did become angry and “destroy merchandise”. What would be the sense of driving him, along with all the customers in the store, out the front door and into a confrontation with police officers?

30 posted on 07/13/2010 5:56:26 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 507)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I think the police need full time recording devices facing ahead of them.

Albuquerque Police now wear minature video cameras clipped on their uniform (in addition to sound recording). Some officers bought them prior to being issued.

APD does a pretty good job, the first officer was on scene of the workplace shooting yesterday within a minute and they were removing the wounded and moving in on the shooter (who offed himself - another brave guy) within three minutes.

31 posted on 07/13/2010 5:57:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: biggredd1
Unh? There are eyewitnesses standing within a couple of yards who are saying it happened differently.

If you have some videos of the event, come forth ~ you will be needed as a witness.

In the meantime everybody else in the country is going to get busy organizing a ruinous boycott of COSTCO. People cannot feel safe there if employees can call in shooters like that.

32 posted on 07/13/2010 5:59:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
It isn't just Costco and it isn't just employees that call in bull$hit MWAG calls on legal concealed and open carriers. It happens all the time. Best case: A law-abiding citizn exercising his rights is detained by a cop who understands the law and moves on quickly. Too often, the ccw carrier ends up tasting pavement, being forceably disarmed at gunpoint, and cuffed. Worst case: See above.

It's unacceptable - all of it.

33 posted on 07/13/2010 6:09:17 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: biggredd1
The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.

No one is certain what happened at this point. So take it down a few notches.

I take that back. We do know a few things. One, we know that an employee called police and said the guy had a gun. Two, we know that people were thrown into a panic when the police arrived. Three: we know that the police shot the man dead and that he in fact had at least one concealed weapon. Four, we know that the dead man was a graduate of West Point and Duke, that he held down a good job, and that he had taken the precaution to obtain a concealed carry permit.

There are factual scenarios consistent with those facts that do not make the dead man out to be a crazed, gun-waving nutjob.

I wil also say this: people tend to see what they want to see, what they expect to see. If the police arrived at COSTCO expecting to see a crazed, gun-waving nutjob, that's what they are likely to see even if in fact all that happened is that a gun-hating employee saw an ordinary guy acting ordinary, and spied a concealed carry weapon on him.

A tragic case. It is NOT going to impact my concealed carry habits in the slightest.

34 posted on 07/13/2010 6:10:14 AM PDT by behzinlea (a)
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To: hoskinsr3106

“any of them had tried this in the Helmand, he would be right along Stan Macchrystal right now.”

It’s an interesting point, but I’m not sure.

I feel like this cop will be convicted of manslaughter if it’s anything like the eyewitness story. Probably no jail time, but lose his job.


35 posted on 07/13/2010 6:10:33 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: AngryJawa
Yes, it is unacceptable and that's why COSTCO must be put out of business.

A slogan "COSTCO DELANDA EST"

36 posted on 07/13/2010 6:18:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Scott was crouched down with a backpack in front of him in a sporting goods aisle, the witness said. Scott had taken a large package of sport drink bottles off the shelf and placed it on the floor in front of him. He had torn open the package to get at the contents and was placing the bottles in and out of the backpack.

"It was like he was trying it out," the man said. "I think possibly he was trying to see if it would fit in his backpack."
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37 posted on 07/13/2010 6:19:58 AM PDT by kanawa (Obama - "It's going to take a while for us to dig ourselves out of this hole.'')
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

ANY motion, including “getting down on the ground” would be taken by these officers as threatening and they would shoot. Once they have shot him once they have to finish the job so he can’t tell a story different from theirs. The constant flood of stories of cops shooting dogs who barked or who took no notice of the cops and the many women who get multiply “tazed” implies to me that people join the force with the expectation that they get to shoot or at least “taze” someone if they go out on a call. Maybe it is in the union contract. Hereabouts I would not hesitate to call police to a situation on the beach because the beach police are part of the tourist industry and don’t wish to scare off the tourists. In the burbs back of the beach I would not call a policeman to a situation for any reason. They do not feel constrained by the need to keep the goodwill of any tourists.


38 posted on 07/13/2010 6:20:26 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: behzinlea
A tragic case. It is NOT going to impact my concealed carry habits in the slightest.

It'll certainly impact mine.

I plan to start *physically* practicing the art of safely surrendering to the cops just like I dryfire and live-fire at the range. I'll add a traffic stop scenario to that as well. Just educating yourself and tossing it around in your mind doesn't seem to be enough anymore.

This incident has really ramped up my discomfort with our encroaching police state.

39 posted on 07/13/2010 6:31:49 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: marktwain

I read another acct that witnessed the so-called berserk behavior.

The witness said the guy was trying to see if some sports drinks fit into a backpack he was thinking about purchasing. The employee noticed the gun on his person and confronted him. The only thing the witness heard was, this would not be a problem in TX. The employee walked away and went to another employee and the store was then told to evacuate. The witness said once outside he did see the gun in a holster,the victim he was told different orders by each officer. The witness said he looked to reach for the gun to remove it, not threaten, he never made it to the holster before they shot him.


40 posted on 07/13/2010 6:36:18 AM PDT by panthermom
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