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Homosexual 'weddings' should be celebrated in church, says Chris Bryant...(UK)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5723177/Homosexual-weddings-should-be-celebrated-in-church-says-Chris-Bryant.html ^ | July 2nd, 2010

Posted on 07/06/2010 12:47:10 PM PDT by TaraP

Homosexual "weddings" should be celebrated in churches, a Government minister has said in defiance of religious teaching.

Chris Bryant, who once posed in his underpants on a gay dating website, said he wanted clergy to be "much more open" to the idea of treating civil partnership ceremonies like traditional marriages.

However, his suggestion goes directly against the rules of the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church, which state that only the union of a man and a woman can be celebrated by a priest in church

It comes as the Government is pushing through an Equality Bill that religious groups fear will force them to give jobs to homosexual youth workers or secretaries, even if their faith maintains that same-sex relationships are sinful.

The minister replied: "All my friends who have entered into a civil partnership refer to it as their 'marriage' or their 'wedding' so the most important issue is that nobody should be discriminated against because of their sexuality.

"I would like to see churches be much more open to the idea of gay relationships or partnerships being celebrated in church."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: apostasy; celebratesin; churchandstate; culturewar; downisup; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage; sexpositiveagenda; sin; sodomites; thereisnoenglandnow

1 posted on 07/06/2010 12:47:13 PM PDT by TaraP
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To: TaraP

Let me guess, he wants to force the churches to do with the power of law?


2 posted on 07/06/2010 12:48:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: All

I wonder when the UK will welcome Pedophiles or Practice Polygamy and Beastiality into marying in the church?

The Ravenous Wolf works Overtime in the UK...


3 posted on 07/06/2010 12:50:23 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP

the government minister of underpants?


4 posted on 07/06/2010 12:52:29 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GeronL
This is what the deviants see as the next step. First, force government recognition of anal-sex-based marriages, then force religious recognition.

They might get all of that -- but I'm not sure it will help them in Hell.
5 posted on 07/06/2010 12:52:51 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: TaraP

“...said he wanted clergy to be “much more open” to the idea of treating civil partnership ceremonies like traditional marriages.”

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A perfect example of how the Left has seized the initiative concerning the wording that frames how issues are debated.

“much more open = embracing perversion counter to the norms of 5000 years of human history.

If we aren’t “open”, we are of course, “closed-minded”, “rigid” and “hateful”.
palp


6 posted on 07/06/2010 12:53:30 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: GeronL
*Disgusting* Minister Lynne Featherstone indicates gay marriage a step closer Homosexual couples could be allowed to “marry” in traditional religious ceremonies for the first time, a government minister has said.
7 posted on 07/06/2010 12:53:30 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP

How about NAMBLA?


8 posted on 07/06/2010 12:53:36 PM PDT by edcoil (Kingdoms have never survived. Don't let any new ones be formed.)
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To: TaraP
The minister replied: "All my friends who have entered into a civil partnership refer to it as their 'marriage' or their 'wedding' so the most important issue is that nobody should be discriminated against because of their sexuality.

Didn't they do this in the churches in Sodom and Gomorrah?

9 posted on 07/06/2010 12:54:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: TaraP

My how far Britian has fallen. Now they will dictate pagan practices for Christians? Interestingly obscene.


10 posted on 07/06/2010 12:54:09 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: atomicweeder

Saw a bumper sticker the other day: “Sin on brother! Hell aint half-full yet!”


11 posted on 07/06/2010 12:54:38 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: atomicweeder

Why stop at sodomy? Churches should “celebrate” adultery and envy as well. Why stop at celebrating just one sin?


12 posted on 07/06/2010 12:56:45 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: TaraP
Homosexual 'weddings' should be celebrated in church, says Chris Bryant...(UK)

He can form his own opinions. But the moment he FORCES the church via LEGISLATION to celebrate gay weddings, he crosses a line.
13 posted on 07/06/2010 12:57:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: TaraP

The church should not be mandated on what ceremonies they can or cannot perform for whatever reason.


14 posted on 07/06/2010 12:58:00 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: edcoil

That’s Proably Next!

Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, said the Coalition was considering allowing same-sex couples to include key religious elements in civil partnership ceremonies.

In a parliamentary answer, she disclosed that homosexual couples could be permitted to use “religious readings, music and symbols”.

“religious readings? like homosexuality being an abomination to GOD!

ROMANS 1:26-27
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


15 posted on 07/06/2010 12:58:00 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: EyeGuy
If we aren’t “open”, we are of course, “closed-minded”, “rigid” and “hateful”.

The Sex Positive Agenda calls Christianity "sex negative" because Christians recognize some pairings to be immoral. The Sex Positive Agenda seeks to end ALL moral judgements over ALL sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s). "Just say yes". Do as thou will is the whole of the law. Very 'satanic' philosophy on life.

16 posted on 07/06/2010 12:59:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: TaraP

Plenty of Unitarian churches out there that will happily perform the ceremonies, no need to force other churches or temples to perform a ceremony the congregation doesn’t want performed.


17 posted on 07/06/2010 12:59:56 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: a fool in paradise

“The Sex Positive Agenda calls Christianity “sex negative” because Christians recognize some pairings to be immoral. The Sex Positive Agenda seeks to end ALL moral judgements over ALL sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s). “Just say yes”. Do as thou will is the whole of the law. Very ‘satanic’ philosophy on life. “

Thier idea is flawed because sex is more than just the act of mating, it is power that if one part is too young, or not human, too related, etc cannot be shared equally and can thusly cause issues that can negatively impact one’s emotional well being.


18 posted on 07/06/2010 1:04:32 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: TaraP

Is the Bible considered an inconvenient detail in this guy’s church? I’ve always been of the opinion that churches should welcome all who are sincerely seeking God, including those struggling with homosexual temptations, but that there is no connection between welcoming the person and embracing their behavior. I don’t believe that someone sincerely seeking God could believe that a Christian church should celebrate homosexuality, any more than a sincere believer could argue that we should celebrate adultery or murder. God is entitled to change the rules on this issue, but a real Christian would wait for God to tell us about His decision to make that change, rather than changing the rules and God’s Word on our own initiative.


19 posted on 07/06/2010 1:08:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: GraceG

When the Equality Bill was being debated earlier this year, an amendment was added by Lord Alli that permitted civil partnership ceremonies to take place in places of worship if the relevant religious group permitted it.............

Quakers, Unitarians and the Liberal Judaism movement will ask to be allowed to host the ceremonies but the Church of England will resist it, despite the wishes of some liberal clerics, as will the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales.


20 posted on 07/06/2010 1:08:48 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP

Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, said the Coalition was considering allowing same-sex couples to include key religious elements in civil partnership ceremonies.

How Orwellian is this?

*Equalities* Minister?????????
*allowing to include key religious elements*??????

Those government gits truly are pompous perverts!!!!!


21 posted on 07/06/2010 1:08:55 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle

“Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister, said the Coalition was considering allowing same-sex couples to include key religious elements in civil partnership ceremonies.

How Orwellian is this?

*Equalities* Minister?????????
*allowing to include key religious elements*??????

Those government gits truly are pompous perverts!!!!! “

This is what happens when the Government is allowed to get FULLY INVOLVED in every aspect of the consituents lives.


22 posted on 07/06/2010 1:11:31 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: TaraP
The Church is used for Holy Matrimony - the union of a male and female to make a whole.
Two people engaging in some kind of weird sex fetish is not considered Holy. Nor is it anything like Matrimony. It's nothing but dysfunctional sex on steroids, so take it back to the rest rooms where it belongs.
23 posted on 07/06/2010 1:12:57 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TaraP

This is exactly why some religions are against gay marriage. They knew it wouldn’t be long before they were forced to sanctify them. The Libs keep proving us right, and unfortunately, no one cares.


24 posted on 07/06/2010 1:13:11 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: GraceG
The church should not be mandated on what ceremonies they can or cannot perform for whatever reason.

Stay in the United States and thank God for the establishment clause.

25 posted on 07/06/2010 1:15:18 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: GraceG

Precisely!!!

In the UK, and other European Nations - the old feudal system is still in the DNA. Add to that innate deference, the Christian guilt for the Crusades, the colonial guilt for industrial/resource expansion into undeveloped countries, the guilt for 1776, the guilt for all other perceived offenses, coupled with a reverence for Eton, Cambridge and Oxford trained nannies - we once again have serfs and servants under the boot of a nanny state. Deja vu medieval again.


26 posted on 07/06/2010 1:22:33 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: TaraP

Homosexual divorces, however, deserve their own reality show! Oh, get the popcorn, Michael and Chad are going to gouge each others’ eyes out over the Liza Minella autograph and custody of their 2 siamese cats, Celie and Sugar. Oh no, you DIDN’T claim the Titanium cookware from Germany!! You bitch!!


27 posted on 07/06/2010 1:24:41 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
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To: TaraP

And the “significance” of the ring on the right hand is . . . ?


28 posted on 07/06/2010 1:28:20 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: TaraP

They should build special chapels in toilet stalls.


29 posted on 07/06/2010 1:28:19 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: concerned about politics

This is just the beginning. Sadly, many Christian Churches in England are being used as Mosques, Community Centers, Theatres etc., because they have no congregation or sufficient collections.

Wait for those same government cretins to ask that the Churches be forced to perform public post-abortion blessings on the wombs of the wanton. It will be called health care.


30 posted on 07/06/2010 1:30:30 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: TaraP

Unnngh!!!


31 posted on 07/06/2010 1:32:53 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Rule One: NO POOFTERS!")
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To: Pollster1

God never changes His mind on good and evil.


32 posted on 07/06/2010 1:39:51 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: TaraP

As I read it (mostly from Mark Steyn) the U.K. has been circling the drain for some time. As the welfare state slowly disintegrates, Muslim influence is growing stronger and stronger while loony-left politicians keep pushing evermore radical ideas - and apparently, the British people are buying into all of it. Bureaucrats from government agencies with nice-sounding names attempting to ‘mandate’ that independent churches perform ‘weddings’ for same-sex ‘couples’ is just another move in the direction of oblivion for jolly old England. Too bad. I always wanted to visit London. Not so much, now.


33 posted on 07/06/2010 1:40:35 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: GeronL

Yep and then it will come to America and preachers who adhere to the Bible will be arrested for refusing to marry them.


34 posted on 07/06/2010 1:56:48 PM PDT by beckysueb (January 20, 2013. When Obama becomes just a skidmark on the panties of American history.)
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To: TaraP
Nothing keeps those freeks from starting their own church and religion.
35 posted on 07/06/2010 1:58:55 PM PDT by MaxMax (Conservatism isn't a party)
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To: All

We are in the *Last Days* friends....

*Let us hope worthy to stand in front of the *Lamb of GOD*


36 posted on 07/06/2010 2:00:09 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: MaxMax

Liberalism is not about solving a problem. It’s about forcing others to share your misery.


37 posted on 07/06/2010 2:01:06 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: beckysueb

lovely


38 posted on 07/06/2010 2:02:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: GraceG
Plenty of Unitarian churches out there that will happily perform the ceremonies, no need to force other churches or temples to perform a ceremony the congregation doesn’t want performed.

Thats exactly why they want it. They are advancing their agenda. They want to go into territory where they haven't been allowed.

39 posted on 07/06/2010 2:02:14 PM PDT by beckysueb (January 20, 2013. When Obama becomes just a skidmark on the panties of American history.)
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To: Mom MD

Male Faggots have a hard time leaving their friends behinds!


40 posted on 07/06/2010 2:02:52 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: a fool in paradise

and funded by tax dollars of course


41 posted on 07/06/2010 2:03:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: JimSEA

I am sure these are “oopen marriages” too


42 posted on 07/06/2010 2:05:01 PM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: Republic of Texas

“This is exactly why some religions are against gay marriage. They knew it wouldn’t be long before they were forced to sanctify them.”

You’re right on the money there. My husband was having an argument about gay marriage with a friend of his who was gay and the minute he brought up the issue of “what if certain churches won’t marry a gay couple” his friend shut right up—it was apparent he knew this would be the next step after gay marriage was made legal.

I had my own experience with this last year. I perform wedding ceremonies for relatives and friends, and last year did a wedding for a co-worker’s son.

After the wedding, a bunch of the groom’s family members came up to tell me how much they liked the ceremony I’d written and delivered, and the groom’s step-brother, who is gay and in a long-term relationship, asked me how often I do weddings.

I couldn’t help but feel like he was wondering if I would officiate at a ceremony for him. It’s something I would adamantly refuse to do, and it caused me quite a bit of worry (both on the legal front—I don’t think he’d sue me for refusing, although that’s always a concern—and from a “you’re such a bad person; you must be a homophobe” angle).


43 posted on 07/06/2010 2:26:26 PM PDT by The4thHorseman
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To: The4thHorseman

It’s coming, so get ready.


44 posted on 07/06/2010 2:35:42 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Genoa

“The church should not be mandated on what ceremonies they can or cannot perform for whatever reason.

Stay in the United States and thank God for the establishment clause. “

Most libtards think the Primary purpose of the Establishment clause was to protect the Government from a state church, but it was also to protect the Churches from the Government and Government meddling.


45 posted on 07/06/2010 2:58:35 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GeronL
Let me guess, he wants to force the churches to do with the power of law?

Vickie Gene Robinson has said exactly this here in the U.S. We are just a few years behind Great Britain in perversion.

46 posted on 07/07/2010 4:18:34 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Republic of Texas
They knew it wouldn’t be long before they were forced to sanctify them. The Libs keep proving us right, and unfortunately, no one cares.

That's because many of the Libertarian mindset despise religion and those who embrace it. They don't care if Christians are oppressed and churches overrun.

Selective "liberty?"

47 posted on 07/07/2010 4:24:50 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: GraceG

What makes you think a measly constitutional “establishment clause” will stand in the way of this Abominstration?


48 posted on 07/07/2010 4:26:59 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: beckysueb

The 1st way they will punish churches for refusing to marry gays will be to remove their tax exempt status.

I doubt the same will happen to mosques.


49 posted on 07/07/2010 4:30:00 AM PDT by dforest
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