Of Beck and the Birchers (is there an internecine warfare on the right?)

National Review ^ | 06/27/2010 | Daniel Foster

[RoadTest]

“Beck is the bamster’s TRANSPARENCY CZAR .”

That’s it!

[wideawake]

Do you think the old Hamiltonian East Coast Establishment can be appealed to or salvaged in any way?

I think that old school Hamiltonianism is so associated with traditional morality in the minds of the northeastern establishment that they will never readopt it in an unvarnished form.

However, Hamilton (like Jefferson) saw morality as the purview of civil society, not government.

The typical northeastern GOPer is a "fiscal conservative/social liberal" - and I would argue that Scott Brown has a neohamiltonian quality to him.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I think that old school Hamiltonianism is so associated with traditional morality in the minds of the northeastern establishment that they will never readopt it in an unvarnished form.

My point is that the northeastern establishment was originally "old school Hamiltonian"--in fact, it is their "native" ideology and they were its original champions. Why (and when) do you suppose they abandoned this ideology in the first place, and why do you think they will never readopt it?

What is your opinion of the right populist concept of the Old American Establishment being the people "secretly behind Communism," of the New Deal being the brainchild of Bernard Swope of the US Chamber of Commerce, etc.?

[Zionist Conspirator]

Not wanting to start a big fight here, but do you blame the old Hamiltonian East Coast Boston Brahmin Establishment for everything? If so, did they start it or just buy into it? Are you not troubled by sharing the villains of the socialist populists of the late nineteenth century?

Do you insist that Jeffersonian conservatism is the only true conservatism?

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

It has virtually NOTHING to do with that aside from a few boring gasbag Brahmin heretic eggheads buying into Illuminism and socialism. Why they are that stupid, who knows... Check the lobstuhs for mercury maybe. They do a lot of dumb things in New England. The problem with Obama's handlers (who are NOT Brahmins, btw) is that they are so sold on secular humanism they can't tell the difference and are too uninformed to understand their stupidity. Soros isn't from the East Coast and the ideas don't come from the U.S. They don't all pretend to be pole-up-the-ass preppies with noses in the air to fool people and throw them off from the anti-Christian occult agenda. Their stupid secular humanist dystopian agenda has very little to do with Hamilton and Jefferson contemplating their navels.

But sure, go ahead and follow these secret society kooks and socialist dorks depopulating the planet to make the world safe for golf courses. Who died and left them to play God? It's not a "theory" this is happening. They convict themselves by their own words, actions, and Malthusian roundtables. It's sad that Deweyite education has dumbed people down to the point they think this is a debate.

No more skeptical posts. It's not a debate.
Secret societies and power cabals pull Obama's puppet strings to impose socialism, population control, and dumbed-down statist education in an immoral, anti-Christian, and criminal conspiracy. The destruction of Christian civilization will lead to worse evils wherever the sick atheist dorks doing it come from originally.

[Zionist Conspirator]

But sure, go ahead and follow these secret society kooks and socialist dorks depopulating the planet to make the world safe for golf courses.

Good grief; I hope that's not directed at me. I was reading about the Illuminati over thirty years ago.

[Frantzie]

Go back to your TV serfdom and dhimini. Beck is a stooge for the Saudis who are owners in Fox. He and O have the same booses in Riyad.

Beck is all radio DJ entertainment. He gets rich off suckers who think he is making a difference.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

For any doubters, rhetorical.
Plenty trolling surely.
Why anyone would be questioning or pooh-poohing as a "conspiracy theory" that secret power cabals plot and conspire to impose socialism and depopulation at this point is bizarre.
Obama's own "science czar" Holdren has written a book promoting their Malthusian agenda.

Why there is a link connecting such ideas from Thomas Malthus, Social Darwinism, Karl Marx, and progressives in the northeast, sociologists and historians can speculate. Plenty of Californians and Southerners have joined in along the way. Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore. More of a gradual process of the expansion of Big Goverment ideas. Footnote to Karl Wittfogel, Hannah Arendt, and Norman Cohn.

Obama is certainly also a reflection of the Midwestern Chicago version in part with its own peculiar one-party rule and confusion of realms. There is a point at which progressivist centralized planning, liberal guilt, eco-socialists, and Malthusian Illuminati secret society sociopaths all meet and come together. What links an Obama with a George Soros and other population control freaks are not necessarily the same psychological reasons. How much of the agenda Obama actually understands clearly in his own mind, who knows. But it's not nearly as mundane as just the Hamiltonian tradition of federalist patriarchy.

[Saundra Duffy]

Beck is brilliant. People who question his patriotism, his motives, etc., are probably jealous of his success. Go, Glenn!!

[Sic Parvis Magna]

As a Hamiltonian conservative, I’m still here. Unfortunately, Hamilton has been so misrepresented (thinking of DiLorenzo) that many conservatives do not see him as a conservative.

[Zionist Conspirator]

As a Hamiltonian conservative, I’m still here. Unfortunately, Hamilton has been so misrepresented (thinking of DiLorenzo) that many conservatives do not see him as a conservative.

The entire JBS/palaeolibertarian complex has taken aim at Hamilton and the Federalists (and their Whig and Republican successors), basically blaming contemporary Leftism on them. Thomas Jefferson's strict construction is now the "one true official" Constitutional interpretation.

So, what do you think of abolishing the Fed and replacing it with a bank such as Hamilton created in 1791? Most conservatives today are rabidly anti-bank and so far as I know the only person who advocates this is the nut Lyndon LaRouche (who also considers FDR to be a Hamiltonian hero).

[Sic Parvis Magna]

I haven’t really given much thought to abolishing the Fed and replacing it.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I haven’t really given much thought to abolishing the Fed and replacing it.

So, as a Hamiltonian you don't have the objections to the Fed that so many contemporary conservatives do?

[dragnet2]

We stopped watching TV news and orchestrated TV talk shows long ago when it become clear 95 percent of it was absolute slanted state run bull sh*t.

[Sic Parvis Magna]

Not really. I think they do make mistakes, but the Fed is not the only way to control inflation, and they don’t have a lot of help on the fiscal front.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Thank you.

So much contemporary conservatism is Jeffersonian/Jacksonian/populism (with a little whiff of anti-Semitism now and then) that I often wonder what genuine Hamiltonians think of the Fed.

[Zionist Conspirator]

I mentioned earlier that LaRouche considers himself a Hamiltonian. I neglected to mention another "conservative" who seems to lean to Hamilton rather than Jefferson--Pat Buchanan.

Of course, I don't think Buchanan's Hamiltonianism extends to the central bank (we all "know" who runs the central banks, don't we? [/sarc]).

I notice though that the "Hamiltonian" Buchanan seems to get along just swimmingly with Jeffersonian palaeolibertarians like DiLorenzo, Rockwell, Sobran, and the JBS. I guess the destruction of Israel outranks all other considerations for some people.