Still Stuck in '64

That’s apropos considering the discussion, dfw, and that’s actually a pretty funny skit if you watch. However, it’s tragic that even SNL would comment on something that’s taboo but unspoken nonetheless. Forget the fact that it has no basis in reality, it’s a perception and a bias that pervades all discourse in the realm of race relations, and I believe you’ve encapsulated my thoughts on the subject quite well through the use of a left-leaning mindset (e.g. SNL).

Being colorblind means seeing past color, Agamemnon. It means that we turn off the blackness or brownness or yellowness or whiteness and we see only people. That was the dream of MLK. He wanted us to judge people on the content of their character. He wanted us to shake our neighbor's hand, welcome them to the community, and get to know them.

And last time you said....

To be colorblind to race is to ignore fundamental differences in each other.

Poster digs hole still deeper. Statements manifest internal contradictions and the poster flails about in obvious confusion with a long-winded attempt to try to reconcile statements which are impossible to reconcile at their core.

So, first you said,...

Humans are animals like the rest of the orders, phyla, and geni on this planet. To be colorblind to race is to ignore fundamental differences in each other.

And here's what you now supposedly mean by it:

First, skin color. A black man has more melanin, thus he's darker complected. Fundamental difference.

Fundamental difference in what? Order, phyla, geni? Just so you know, you are arguing with a biochemist here, so make your case as convincing as you think you can. OK doofus, so what is it that causes some human beings to have more melanin than others -- their order, their phyla, or their geni? Oh and while you're at it can you name examples of phyla or orders that interbreed?

I'm going to put aside my commentary on my use of biological orders since I already admitted to using them as simply rhetorical flourish.

Yeah, because you were so busted when you tried to use terms with real meaning in biological science that you obviously don't understand to support your inherent shallownes. Idiot. Nope, not gonna let you off the hook. "Rhetorical flourish" you call it now? I call it BS.

Second, features. Black men and women have dark curly hair, often have issues with dryness to their skin (ashiness), have dark eyes. Fundamental differences.

Just "Black men and women..." exhibit these "Fundamental differences" right?

Never met any Italians, Greeks, Indians, Middle Easterners, Northern Europeans, Chinese, American Indians, Hispanics with any of those traits, or features have you?

Gonna have to crawl out from under that rock you live under and develop better refined powers of observation, unimpeded by bigotries borne of your painfully simplistic and intellectually flaccid penchant for what is merely banal stereotyping.

Third, social distinctions. Many black families are heavily extended. They often live in tight knit social groups together with elders (grandparents), aunts and uncles, cousins, and friends.

Right. Waaaaay different for "white" folk is it? "Black" skin color makes "Those people" that way does it? God forbid that any phenotypically "white" people would ever be accused of living in any manner which might suggest a "tight knit" group, or have any semblance of "extended family" whatsoever.

So that's all your proof for "Fundamental differences," is it?

Let's let you have at it: into what order, phyla, and geni do you put these "animals" -- or so you might call them?

"Yet with the effects of human migrations and cultural habits, people in one place can show tremendous variation in skin tone – like students from the Washington International Primary School.” ‘Unmasking Skin,’ Joel L. Swerdlow, National Geographic, Nov. 2002 p. 46-47.

So when are all these girls supposed to follow your "self-segregating" prescription there, Cooter?

OK next question to Mr. Shallowest of the Shallow, how about for these twin sisters? Where do you think they should "self-segregate" too -- over there to "these people," or over there to "those people"?

Yep. "Fundamental differences." That's the ticket alright.(/sarcasm off)

When I introduced a black woman I was dating to them, the tension was palpable. In a way, (Warning: potential admission of racism) I was using Michelle as a stick with which to prod my elders into discussing this taboo matter.

You are just a shallow bigot who used a "girlfriend" as a prop to needle the family of bigots he grew up with -- possibly including your single mother -- whatever relevance that ever had to this discussion. By the way, this is FR not MySpace. I'll bet your "girlfriend" loved the fact that you used her like that too.

Kinda makes a reader wonder what kind of a stage prop you use your current "girlfriend" for.

Ok, Agamemnon. You win.

Sometimes all I have to do around here is just sit back watch my opponent checkmate himself.

Wow, that fraternal twin combination is amazing.

Agamemnon,

First, you're an idiot. You failed to answer even a single question I asked. I realized after I posted that you never once answer any of the questions posed in any of my posts to you or to others. You're so singularly focused on what you can argue that you fail to give any quarter to what you can't. You are the archetypal "scientist" who sits in his little lab doing whatever empirical studies you are assigned to pass your day. You have absolutely zero rhetorical abilities. Your entire argument is based around logos and, just recently, ethos, so your ability to read any emotion into what I posted (pathos) is null. Congratulations, you fail miserably at constructive debate.

Second, you obviously are a single-issue debater. You are STILL completely and totally focused on what I used as a rhetorical flourish that you simply cannot let it go and that in the course of my lengthy post to you, I've successfully shut you down to the point that the only parcel of your previous arguments that you can tenuously hold on to is what you specialize in. For those scoring at home:

I've already admitted that I didn't use order/phylum/genus in their defined and proper way.

I can use much bigger fonts for you if your vision is impaired, because you seem to have missed the numerous times I've already admitted that I wasn't using them in the way you think I was. Furthermore, allow me to dissect and parse my post for you to understand it rhetorically:

Humans are animals like the rest of the orders, phyla, and geni on this planet.

First, "Humans are animals..." Pretty straightforward, nothing factually incorrect about that. Then, "...like the rest of the..." a simile is used in order to make a comparison to something. In this case, the words that follow will be compared to "Humans are animals..." "...orders, phyla, and geni..." And these four words are EVERYTHING that you're arguing about. First off, Mr. Scientist, are "phyla" and "geni" even correct pluralizations of the words? I've already admitted I didn't use the words deliberately, and I'll make another admission here: I didn't even look them up to see if they have plural conjugations. Aww... what's wrong Agamemnon? You still upset that you can't keep arguing because the target of your attacks raised the white flag three posts ago?! And finally, "...on this planet," concludes the sentence to infer that I am speaking solely of all living creatures on this rock we call Earth. I couldn't give one red cent about the definitions of your damn words, because I wasn't using them deliberately. If I cared, I would've studied biology in college, but *gasp* I studied physics instead... imbecile!

Next, you've taken to personal attacks. You've insulted a girlfriend about whom I cared deeply; you've insulted me on numerous occasions; and you've insulted my family. You're batting a thousand there, my friend. Congratulations, you've succeeded in nothing but insulting someone for their beliefs without having a rational, calm, and constructive discussion instead. I hope you've reached a level of self-satisfaction that even the most ardent masturbation couldn't achieve.

Finally, listen putz, if you want to talk to me, how about addressing me as a person instead of speaking to some audience who couldn't give a whit about your puny little ego and referencing me as "Poster..." It's doing nothing for you since you obviously can't address me on a personal level, something I've done throughout this conversation, and it makes you look insignificant and incapable of constructive, rational thought. I hope that whoever ridiculed you in the past for whatever shortcoming you have is happy that they've made you into the person you are today, because you very obviously have social interaction issues and can't read and answer simple questions as posited in my previous post.

Also, consider a thesaurus and go for the simpler words. Rule number one in informal writing: simpler word choice makes for a wider audience. I understood every word, but they only served to make you looked puffed up and fake.

If you wish to continue lambasting me for my views, proceed. Rest assured that I will respond to every one in turn. You're a phony little pissant of a man, Agamemnon.

Regards,
Ron

Actually, Ags, I’m done with this conversation. Call it what you want: a win, a conquest. Your overwhelming disdain for my viewpoints and your constant barrage of negativity has worn on me. My fiancee has noticed, my boss has noticed, my co-workers have noticed, and I’m a fool for letting you get to me.

I post on FR to share ideas, to discuss the events of the day, and to converse with like-minded individuals. You and I obviously don’t see eye to eye or are incapable of communicating ideas in a manner understood by the other. You’ve not answered a single damn question I asked, and the entire point to the article and to my initial post was concerning the laws (with which I disagree) that were passed by bigots during the Civil Rights era. I reiterate, I wasn’t alive then. I have no frame of reference, and all I was asking was for some help understanding the era. You’ve done nothing to advance my understanding and have done nothing but put me down for asking questions and for improperly using some biological terms that I’ve repeatedly admitted I used rhetorically.

I apologize for whatever real or perceived grievance you have with me or my manner of writing and speech. Call me a racist if you want. I simply want blacks to aspire to greatness. I don’t understand why they think we’re holding them back when we’ve given them everything by government fiat.

You’ve reduced my faith in the goodness of men, Agamemnon. You are arrogant, haughty, and you obviously like to correct people for their logic as evidenced in other posts I reviewed under your name. I’m sad that my last post degraded to petty insults, but you’ve done nothing to further my understanding of anything and have insulted everyone close to me.

I have no fight left in me. I’m depressed because of you and have lost sleep over this stupid argument. I’m not a racist and would prostrate myself at the feet of a black man to prove it. I hold no grudge and do not think myself superior to anyone; something to which you obviously have a problem admitting guilt. I bid you good day, and I will pray that I never have to cross your path again on these forums.

Regards,
Ron

So can we assume then that you won’t be using the “some of my best friends are black” thing again?

I don’t see the point in arguing about it. There’s nothing untrue about my having black friends. I understand the cliché, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Besides, my problem wasn’t with you, Drew. I expected some ribbing on that sort of thing, but not like I got from “The Arrogant Commander.”

Have you ever been to a “lunch counter”?

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Maybe because my wife and I prefer back roads to superhighways (as long as there is no timeline), I see them all the time.

And you are right, they are one-offs, little places in forgotten towns.

Last 2, outside of Storrs CT, and in Oakland MD.

There are whites with the same kind of mentality. The best example was when I worked at a concert venue. My co-workers were such a melting pot that the only time the issue of race came up was to joke around with each other. Generally, I didn’t even notice their race as much. Srtiously.
Then, there were the rap concerts. The people that came through those doors were so animalistic. It didn’t matter if it was a black guy or a white guy. They just had this certain air about them. “ghetto” is what I called it.

When travelling with my father, I would go into little bars in towns like that - where they’d only sell soda to a neatly dressed girl with her dad, even if the girl was 30!