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London 1802
William Wordsworth | William Wordsworth

Posted on 05/07/2010 5:58:28 AM PDT by Clive

Milton! thou shouldst be living at this hour:
England hath need of thee: she is a fen
Of stagnant waters: altar, sword, and pen,
Fireside, the heroic wealth of hall and bower,
Have forfeited their ancient English dower
Of inward happiness. We are selfish men;
Oh! raise us up, return to us again;
And give us manners, virtue, freedom, power.
Thy soul was like a Star, and dwelt apart:
Thou hadst a voice whose sound was like the sea:
Pure as the naked heavens, majestic, free,
So didst thou travel on life's common way,
In cheerful godliness; and yet the heart
The lowliest duties on herself did lay.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: england; greece; poetry; predictions; usa; wheretheusaisgoing; williamwordsworth

1 posted on 05/07/2010 5:58:28 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

Could you translate that into English?...............


2 posted on 05/07/2010 6:04:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you'll know that its desolation is NEAR. Luke 21)
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To: Red Badger; Clive

England was warned by their aristocratic poets who saw the doom of the society and downfall of England

Wordsworth is spelling it out poetically


3 posted on 05/07/2010 6:07:42 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Clive

Interesting how the greatest works of English literature were created in blank verse by Shakespeare and Milton....


4 posted on 05/07/2010 6:08:29 AM PDT by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: Red Badger
Could you translate that into English?...............

London in 1802 was a lot like the U.S. today with stagnant institutions and a lot of godless apathy.

Wordsworth was wishing for another John Milton to come around and get their minds right.

Milton was the poet Khan quoted at the end of the Star Trek TV episode where he first made his appearance.


5 posted on 05/07/2010 6:14:30 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: Clive

W. H. Auden’s no slouch either...

“Reason will be replaced by Revelation. Instead of Rational Law, objective truths perceptible to any who will undergo the necessary intellectual discipline, Knowledge will degenerate into a riot of subjective visions... Whole cosmogonies will be created out of some forgotten personal resentment, complete epics written in private languages, the daubs of schoolchildren ranked above the greatest masterpieces. Idealism will be replaced by Materialism. Life after death will be an eternal dinner party where all the guests are 20 years old... Justice will be replaced by Pity as the cardinal human virtue, and all fear of retribution will vanish... The New Aristocracy will consist exclusively of hermits, bums and permanent invalids. The Rough Diamond, the Consumptive Whore, the bandit who is good to his mother, the epileptic girl who has a way with animals will be the heroes and heroines of the New Age, when the general, the statesman, and the philosopher have become the butt of every farce and satire.”


6 posted on 05/07/2010 6:20:04 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Clive

“And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths, win us with honest trifles to betray’s in deepest consequence.

Cousins, a word, I pray you.”

Banquo, “Macbeth”
Act 1 Scene 3

“Were such things as we do speak about? Or have we eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner?”

Banquo, Macbeth
Act 1 Scene 3


7 posted on 05/07/2010 6:22:47 AM PDT by Bean Counter (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office -- Aesop)
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To: Red Badger

1. It is in English, and whomever can’t understand it shouldn’t have graduated high school.
2. Milton was just awful politically — a supporter of the dictaorship of Oliver Cromwell, and a dreadful Puritan.


8 posted on 05/07/2010 6:32:23 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: RaceBannon

Wordsworth, who adored the French revolution and its reign of terror.


9 posted on 05/07/2010 6:33:32 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Clive

Choruses from The Rock
T.S. Eliot, 1934
The Eagle soars in the summit of Heaven,
The Hunter with his dogs pursues his circuit.
O world of spring and autumn, birth and dying!
The endless cycle of idea and action,
Endless invention, endless experiment,
Brings knowledge of motion, but not of stillness;
Knowledge of speech, but not of silence;
Knowledge of words, and ignorance of the Word.
All our knowledge brings us nearer to death,
But nearness to death no nearer to God.
Where is the Life we have lost in living?
Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?
The cycles of Heaven in twenty centuries
Brings us farther from God and nearer to the Dust.

The world turns and the world changes,
But one thing does not change.
In all of my years, one thing does not change,
However you disguise it, this thing does not change:
The perpetual struggle of Good and Evil.

And now you live dispersed on ribbon roads,
And no man knows or cares who is his neighbor
Unless his neighbor makes too much disturbance,
But all dash to and fro in motor cars,
Familiar with the roads and settled nowhere.
Much to cast down, much to build, much to restore

I have given you the power of choice, and you only alternate
Between futile speculation and unconsidered action.
And the wind shall say: “Here were decent godless people:
Their only monument the asphalt road
And a thousand lost golf balls.”
When the Stranger says: “What is the meaning of this city ?
Do you huddle close together because you love each other?”
What will you answer? “We all dwell together
To make money from each other”? or “This is a community”?
Oh my soul, be prepared for the coming of the Stranger.
Be prepared for him who knows how to ask questions.
There is one who remembers the way to your door:
Life you may evade, but Death you shall not.
You shall not deny the Stranger.

They constantly try to escape
From the darkness outside and within
By dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good.
But the man that is shall shadow
The man that pretends to be.

But it seems that something has happened that has never happened
before: though we know not just when, or why, or how, or where.
Men have left GOD not for other gods, they say, but for no God; and this has
never happened before
That men both deny gods and worship gods, professing first Reason,
And then Money, and Power, and what they call Life, or Race, or Dialectic.


10 posted on 05/07/2010 6:43:20 AM PDT by valiant4thetruth
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To: Clive
There was once a young President from Kenya,

Who went by the name of Obama,

He learned from his Mommy,

How to be a true Commie,

And to not stutter with a teleprompta.

11 posted on 05/07/2010 6:58:51 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: kabumpo

our next revolution wont be based on Biblical laws and freedom, it will be a French one, violent, anti-aristocratic, Anti-Christian and negative in it’s outcome


12 posted on 05/07/2010 7:43:16 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: kabumpo

wow, didnt know that about Milton.

Thankg God for Milton! He knew right from wrong!

Thank Gof for Cromwell and the Puritans, too!


13 posted on 05/07/2010 7:46:38 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Clive

All is dust...


14 posted on 05/07/2010 8:05:30 AM PDT by strider44
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To: RaceBannon

Milton & the Puritans great if you want no Christmas, no birthdays, no theater, restrictions on literature, no activity on Sunday, no religious tolerance — in short, a Taliban-like state.


15 posted on 05/07/2010 9:46:31 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Clive
Oddly enough, this sort of prose is exactly the sort I use when I speak to my cats:

Why doest thou puketh on the floor, even tho in times as numerous as the stars in the sky I have chastised thee for eating plants?

Doest thou thinkest that Daddy will not spank you? For I have spanked many a bad cat, and you shall be no different.

Hide! Hideth now, under the bed goest thee! For once Daddy hast cleaneth up thine green pukiness, his hand will smite thee ...

Nay. It shant be so. I will carresseth thee gently, and offer soothing words, and thou knowest this to be so. Perhaps this is why thou eat the plants ... for love!

Anyway, it's usually something like that. They seem to enjoy it.

16 posted on 05/07/2010 10:07:44 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: kabumpo

Since Jesus wasn’t born in December, and Porn destroys lives and theater is filled with homos and honoring God on Sunday is a good thing and Christianity is the only true religion and Puritans NEVER persecuted anyone for their religion...yeah, I’d like to see people who genuinely believed that, yeah...

In fact, it was everyone else who persecuted the Puritans, the state, the RCC...gosh, it was Puritans who fled the STATE church to found the USA!


17 posted on 05/07/2010 10:46:56 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: kabumpo
It is in English, and whomever can’t understand it shouldn’t have graduated high school.

The same might be said of of whomsoever uses 'whomever' for 'whoever'.

18 posted on 05/07/2010 1:47:44 PM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Clive

Don’t worry, we in the Commonwealth will probably see the writing on the wall. It is the Mother Country itself who can’t.


19 posted on 05/07/2010 5:30:41 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: RaceBannon

So you want to abolish Christmas, great — there’s a job for you in Cuba. The theater brought us Euripides, Shakespeare, Moliere, O’Neill... the core of Western civilization going back to the ancient Greeks — so yes, let’s wipe all that off the face of the earth.
The Puritans did persecute anyone who didn’t conform — that’s why Roger Williams had to leave to found Rhode Island.

You are the Taliban in Western clothing.


20 posted on 05/08/2010 8:30:43 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Clive

Egad, the USA needs a William Wordsworth right now!!!

Otherwise we’ll be Greece sooner, not later.


21 posted on 05/08/2010 8:42:36 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Red Badger

I wanna hear Snoop Doggy Dogg recite that....


22 posted on 05/08/2010 8:43:36 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Clive

What a perfect poem for the United States 2010. Profound beyond words...

Can you please ping me when you post anything like this? Thanks!


23 posted on 05/08/2010 3:55:04 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: valiant4thetruth

Brilliant


24 posted on 05/08/2010 4:00:47 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Wordsworth had something to say about the freedom of the press too:

The Third of February, 1852

25 posted on 05/08/2010 4:12:13 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
OOPS, forgot.

That was Tennyson.

26 posted on 05/08/2010 4:13:18 PM PDT by Clive
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