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3 girls plead not guilty in suicide bullying case
MSNBC ^ | updated 1:15 p.m. ET, Thurs., April 8, 2010 | Unknown

Posted on 04/08/2010 1:54:49 PM PDT by Niuhuru

HADLEY, Mass. - Lawyers for three teenage girls accused of participating in the bullying of a 15-year-old girl who committed suicide entered not guilty pleas Thursday on their behalf to charges including civil rights violations and criminal harassment.

Ashley Longe, Sharon Chanon Velazquez and Flannery Mullins, all 16, did not appear in Franklin-Hampshire Juvenile Court for their arraignments.

A judge ordered them to have no contact with the family of Phoebe Prince, a South Hadley High School freshman who hanged herself in January after what prosecutors called an "unrelenting" three-month bullying campaign by six teenagers. Prosecutors say Prince was targeted after she briefly dated a popular boy.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bullies; bullying; crime; dead; death; hanging; harrassment; lowlifes; monsters; notguilty; phoebeprince; publicschools; publicschoolsystem; savages; scum; suicide
Just as I suspected, the scum pleaded not guilty.
1 posted on 04/08/2010 1:54:49 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Niuhuru
I was a little skinny kid in jr. high. I was bullied by 3 other girls, one was the ring leader. I finally said something to my mother, she went to the principal and the principal made excuses for the bullies. These girls were mean. One day in gym class before the teacher came in, the ring leader was picking on me. Punching me and circling me, little tap punches. Laughing and taunting. I knew if I hit her, I'd have to hit her hard. She was bigger than me. I knew exactly where I needed to hit her, where it would hurt the most. So with all my strength I let her have it, one good hard punch, knocked her down. She looked stunned got up walked away, and never bothered me again.

That back in the 60's. I think kids are even meaner now.

2 posted on 04/08/2010 2:12:54 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

what i want to know is at what age does a person have the constitutional right to defend themselves?

because this zero tolerance policy that schools have seems unconstitutional. a kid should be able to defend themselves.


3 posted on 04/08/2010 2:15:31 PM PDT by And2TheRepublic
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To: MsLady

OK, call me clueless, I know where it hurts the most for boys, but even at my age I’m still clueless about girls?

So where would that be?


4 posted on 04/08/2010 2:18:13 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: And2TheRepublic

I totally agree with that. Kids need to be able to defend themselves. Some of these kids/bullies are little monsters. I’m sure we can thank there parents or lack of parenting on most of that.


5 posted on 04/08/2010 2:19:00 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Hitting a bully back is a tried and true remedy but in today’s schools will get you suspended.


6 posted on 04/08/2010 2:22:22 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Balding_Eagle

Ok this is going to sound funny but, it sure worked. Me and my sister use to get into scraps, she would punch me in the arm right at the shoulder area, on the side. Hurts like crazy.


7 posted on 04/08/2010 2:23:50 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady
Good for you, that is usually the tactic that will make them stop.

Unfortunately today it seems these kids hide behind their IPODs, phones, twitter, I don't know what else these kids did to that poor girl, but I sure hope they are punished severly.

Brats all, and it seems to be ok with the parents, as long as their little precious is popular anything they do is OK.

Something is wrong in MASS., maybe they are eating to much lead base paint from all those old houses.

8 posted on 04/08/2010 2:25:45 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: MsLady

Chcukle, I was sure wondering. Thanks, and good for you, a strong action like you took can change the direction of someones life. For both you and the bully.


9 posted on 04/08/2010 2:25:54 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: MsLady
One of the most painful things I know of is paintball shots to the lower back.

That flat-out hurts.

10 posted on 04/08/2010 2:26:29 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: And2TheRepublic

They shouldn’t have to in the first place! I highly doubt stuff like this goes on in China and India. School is for learning, not self defense.


11 posted on 04/08/2010 2:28:51 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: AU72

Yep, it’s the only way. It’s the only thing a bully truly understands. Why can a bully get away with bullying and the other kid can’t defend themselves? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.


12 posted on 04/08/2010 2:30:07 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Same thing happen to me with the same results.

Glad to see I was not the only one who did something like that.

My short 91 year old uncle told me that same story also back in 1931 when he lived in Corona California.


13 posted on 04/08/2010 2:31:04 PM PDT by Calif4Palin (Proud Moosehead....)
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To: MsLady

I can empathize. In the 60s, I was the only Asian kid in my class and was constantly picked on by a group of “greasers”. I told my neighbor, who was on leave from Ft. Benning, and he proceeded to teach me self-defense tactics, which we practiced over and over. When the head “greaser” jumped me as we were getting off the bus, I used every move my neighbor taught me, including a couple swift kicks in the kidneys. Like your assailant, he and his friends left me alone for the rest of my junior high and high school years in the Chicago suburbs.


14 posted on 04/08/2010 2:33:27 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Yep, I had trouble sticking up for myself. Never quite knew how to handle it, until after that. It was a light bulb going off in my head. That’s the only thing a bully really understands. You have to put your foot down right away, totally not tolerate it. Being nice to a bully never works, ever. The bullying only gets worse over time. The more they bully, and you allow it, the worse the bullying becomes.


15 posted on 04/08/2010 2:33:59 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Fights in school used to be no big deal. You’d get marched off to the vice principal’s office and meet with the board of education. Same thing if you got lippy with a teacher. If you were rude to another student to the point the teacher found out about it you got after school detention.
Regardless of the punishment it was nothing compared to what awaited you at home when the old man got home from work.


16 posted on 04/08/2010 2:39:26 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Niuhuru

An innocent girl is dead because of these little snots.


17 posted on 04/08/2010 2:40:48 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

The good old days.


18 posted on 04/08/2010 2:42:23 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: annieokie

If you don’t have God in the home, things will go badly. It’s hard enough even if you do have that strong belief in God. It’s even worse when you don’t. Combine that with what these kids see on tv, movies and video games. Along with disconnected parents, no discipline. And kids that can do no wrong in there parents eyes and get to much. That’s a great combination for raising a self absorbed monster.


19 posted on 04/08/2010 2:44:31 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

No kidding!!! That’s what kept me from doing things I shouldn’t. My dad only had to give me that look. And my sister would start crying even before he walked in the room...lol


20 posted on 04/08/2010 2:47:23 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Absolutely, and now they are getting elected to offices and in control of our future. Very scary.


21 posted on 04/08/2010 2:50:44 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Niuhuru

Does anybody know if the victim’s family has any IRA members? I know there are quiet a few of them living in the Mass. area, and I was wondering if they would get some revenge on the cowards.


22 posted on 04/08/2010 2:50:59 PM PDT by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist thug and a dottering old fool.)
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To: Niuhuru

It was why it was possible for a single teacher, usually female, to handle and teach 35 students per class.
DISCIPLINE!


23 posted on 04/08/2010 2:57:42 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: annieokie

Yep, I’d say you are right on that!!! The dems and liberals in general do seem to have a bully mentality.


24 posted on 04/08/2010 3:18:00 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I went to a 2 ROOM school with ONE NUN teaching all 4 grades....and DISCIPLINE was the key!!


25 posted on 04/08/2010 3:19:27 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MissEdie

Who knows. But the fact that hte country is up in arms over this and hopping mad shows that jail may be the only safe place for them.


26 posted on 04/08/2010 3:42:09 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; Ann Archy

I retired from teaching 5 years ago, after 20+ years in the classroom. Over the course of my career, student behavior changed dramatically — because parents changed dramatically.

The teachers that you and I had were able to exercise control in the classroom through discipline, as you said, but that was possible only because our parents required good behavior from us, also. Many children today are raised with no sense of deference to any adults, including reachers and police.


27 posted on 04/08/2010 3:49:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Bigg Red

“children today are raised with no sense of deference to any adults, including reachers and police.”

Everything is one big joke to them. Bullied kid dies, funny, teacher gets upset, funny, suspended, funny. This stuff never used to, in a million years, even be imagined as funny, much less actually become something that they or anyone else could consider funny.


28 posted on 04/08/2010 3:52:09 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
It was why it was possible for a single teacher, usually female, to handle and teach 35 students per class. DISCIPLINE!

Same thing today. A really good teacher will never smile before Christmas.

29 posted on 04/08/2010 3:53:04 PM PDT by WesternPacific (Deafness has its Advantages)
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To: Bigg Red

That is true.
Also, state legislatures outlawing butt whippings, and schools being fearful of lawsuits.
Further, there has been a big shift in the political leanings of too many teachers and administrators towards moonbat philosophies resulting in the dumbing down of education.
I had a former sis in law who was a first grade teacher. She came to dinner and was damn near high with joy because she had been taught at some teacher seminar to teach the kids that 1+1 doesn’t necessarily equal two. First grade! This was to teach the first graders to think, according to her. What absolute poppycock. I suggested that teaching 1+1 = 2 and other rote lessons at that age was more appropriate and had worked as a teaching method for 4,000 years.
I got the “You are such a Neanderthal” look for my troubles.


30 posted on 04/08/2010 3:59:40 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: MsLady

My dad was a career NCO in the army. Then he became a junior high school teacher. First rule was “Never embarrass your parents”. Anyone calling our parents and telling them we had misbehaved was an embarrassment. Discipline was swift, sure and unpleasantly painful.
That made me and my two older brothers cautious about acting stupidly, most of the time.


31 posted on 04/08/2010 4:07:15 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Bigg Red

Plus the PARENTS are on the side of the KIDS instead of the teachers’ side!!


32 posted on 04/08/2010 4:18:55 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yep, both my parents did that. If one parent disciplined the other one backed them up. I never got away with anything. I suppose that was a good thing but, at the time, dang it wasn’t fun...lol


33 posted on 04/08/2010 4:22:15 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Niuhuru

These bullies, actually that is not what I want to call them. Frankly, these scumbags are terrorists and are no different from Osama bin Laden or Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

I know bullying has been around, but the entitlement culture and spoiling our kids is making it worse. Also, parents try to be friends with their children.


34 posted on 04/08/2010 5:40:12 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Remember The Great Ptarmigan/Rabbit War!)
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To: Niuhuru

Do these thugs even realize that they are the most hated people in America and likely the world and they share that with Osama bin Laden, Charles Manson, or Jeffrey Dahmer?


35 posted on 04/08/2010 5:42:21 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Remember The Great Ptarmigan/Rabbit War!)
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To: MsLady
Going to the principal doesn't do much good. I found that out, about 20 years ago when a girl several years older than my daughter was bullying her. So after school let out, I came up behind the bully outside the school, asked her if she knew who my daughter was.

I told the bully (with my meanest face on) that I've been watching her, knew where she lived and how she got home. And that if ever she bothered my girl again, this bully would regret it the rest of her life. She turned to jelly, and never bothered my daughter after that. That was about 20 years ago. You'd have to be more discrete nowadays.

36 posted on 04/08/2010 9:22:34 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Niuhuru

Everything is one big joke to them.

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You are so right. They have become desensitized by the garbage they see on TV and in movies. Many of them did not have much of a foundation in compassion to begin with, as their parents have not bothered to instill that in them.

So many parents have just handed their children off to be raised by strangers beginning at the age of 6 weeks. Very sad....


37 posted on 04/09/2010 5:21:49 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

...there has been a big shift in the political leanings of too many teachers and administrators towards moonbat philosophies resulting in the dumbing down of education.

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Correct, again. In addition, while the average teacher 30 years ago was generally well-educated as well as grounded in his particular discipline, today we have teachers qualifying by majoring in education. The education major, in most universities, is a joke; 90% of the coursework is a waste of time, and, education majors often come from the bottom 10% of their classes.


38 posted on 04/09/2010 5:32:33 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Ann Archy

Plus the PARENTS are on the side of the KIDS instead of the teachers’ side!!

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Don’t I know it! Mostly, I think, it’s because they don’t want to hear the rant from Jessica or Sean.

As a high school teacher, I witnessed so many parents being scolded by their offspring. It was shocking to me, especially since I was raised by parents who did not tolerate backtalk and raised my four sons with the same expectations.


39 posted on 04/09/2010 5:38:23 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Bigg Red

we are lost...lost.


40 posted on 04/09/2010 6:51:24 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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